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Aatom
11/12/08

In reply to America Is Real Villain In Quantum of Solace
"The muscled bullet of a secret agent"?

Yeesh.
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RAHfanboy
11/12/08

@Aatom: Bullets are bad, violence is bad...yawn...
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shostakobitch
11/12/08

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Does the film still have the oddly shoe-horned product placement? The United States is the only brand that Bond can portray with any degree of ambiguity. Ford, Smith & Wesson, Astin Martin and whatever down-at-the-heel brand of spirits that is currently trying to class up its reputation are all given a treatment of sterling character.

Bond might start quoting Chomsky as the franchise gets grittier and grittier but he sure as fuck better be turned out in the kind of merch they hawk in the first 30 pages of Esquire.
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RAHfanboy
11/12/08

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I'm not sure that any of Bond's kills can accurately described as murder, being that they are in self-defense or in the line of duty, as a soldier. This does, however, give a hint on the pacifist slant of the review. I also think that what is being portrayed as the anti-American sentiments of the film are probably just a portrayal of the distrust and betrayal inherent in the Intelligence trade, and the conflict necessary to a good film of this sort. I look forward to seeing it.
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twDarkflame
11/12/08

@RAHfanboy for one, welcomes his Marxist overlords.: If a soldier is explictly ordered not to kill, and does, then its still murder.
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RAHfanboy
11/12/08

@twDarkflame: No self-defense involved? Can a "00" actually commit "murder?" It was stated as plural offenses, "murder after murder." I haven't seen it as I said, I just tend to lean toward the terms being a bit loaded. We'll see. Thanks.
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badasscat
11/12/08

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When did James Bond become such an f'ing downer? He used to be the life of the party, now he brings down the entire room.

I don't have any desire to see this movie. Just looks like no fun at all.
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DaiWalka
11/12/08

@badasscat: ROFL - that's like watching the Adam West Batman movie, then watching Batman Begins, and saying the same thing about the Batman character.

I like the new Bond movies. The sexual innuendo got to be progressively too much in the others, and the realism...well, there was none. Bond is a governmental killing spy machine - I'm sure those involved in real-life espionage (who probably don't get anywhere near the Hollywood 'realism' of the occupation) would essentially still agree that it's not a "party".
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badasscat
11/19/08

@DaiWalka: So... your position is that action films should be "realistic" rather than "entertaining"? Interesting proposition that I don't think many others would agree with.

And no, Bond films have never been realistic. Ever. But they did used to be entertaining.
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lobstr
11/12/08

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Roger Moore had much more respect for America and our wimmens in hot tubs.
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Pope John Peeps II
11/12/08

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You know, it's actually pretty retro to frame things in that way. It's funny that in today's modern world the intelligence community is regarded as something which is vitally patriotic, and completely unimpeachable. The books written in the Le Carre era, like those of Len Deighton which are amazingly complex and beautifully convoluted, are these sort of freewheeling tales of snapping loyalty and long-term lying. The whole effect of which is that you can't really understand who is on what side, and fail to trust anyone, and end up in this awesome spy world of complete claustrophobia where everyone is independently out for themselves, and all loyalties are transient. Which suited characters like Bond perfectly. In the books Bond was a complete asshole, and although patriotic, was a complete mercenary emotionally.

Man. I really used to LOOOve post ww2 and cold war spy novels. So brilliant.
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BadUncle
11/12/08

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Oh, this movie is so dated. The euro is sucking ass, right now. USA! USA! and it only took the destruction of the world economy to make that vacation to Euro Disney affordable.
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BookishLookish
11/12/08

@BadUncle: Why didn't they set it in Iceland, where things are really tanking and there's all that...ice?
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secretagentman
11/12/08

@BookishLookish: Already done. "Die Another Day".
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BookishLookish
11/12/08

@secretagentman: Oh, I thought that was Sweden. But you're probably right as I was pretty checked out the year it came out.
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Colonel Mustard
11/12/08

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Seems to fit the modern world view, wherein Europe (and others) don't know whether to trust America and her intentions or not.

Also, I love that you dropped in a still from Lode Runner in the middle of a piece about James Bond.
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Larry Fine
11/12/08

@Colonel Mustard: I was thinking Contra but you're right!
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Hey_mikey
11/12/08

@Colonel Mustard: What's Lode Runner?
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Colonel Mustard
11/12/08

@Hey_mikey:

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BookishLookish
11/12/08

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Audiences here might not be ready to root against America, but there is one Gawker commentor who is ready to root her nose against Mr. Craig's tight bod, like a pig in search of truffle-y goodness.
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bytememehard
11/12/08

@BookishLookish: Check out the film, The Mother. It is disturbing, fascinating, and has plenty of his hot bod to oogle.
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BookishLookish
11/12/08

@bytememehard: Oh, thanks. Gals over here don't seem to dig him. Looooved him in Munich.
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Vivien Smith-Smythe-Smith
11/12/08

@BookishLookish: How about Layer Cake? I'm not such a fan of wanton violence, so spent most of the time with my face buried in my boyfriend's shoulder, covering my ears.

I admit I still haven't seen Munich; I seem to be going through a phase in my life where I seem to be actively avoiding all to do with the Middle East, but Eric Bana is my favourite Dalmatian, so I may have to watch it!
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BookishLookish
11/12/08

@Vivien Smith-Smythe-Smith: Eric Bana. Sigh. Is there no end to the foxiness of the men from your hemisphere, VSSS?
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bowleserised
11/12/08

@BookishLookish: Also, Love is the Devil and Our Friends in the North.
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Vivien Smith-Smythe-Smith
11/12/08

@BookishLookish: Erm, yes... Russell Crowe. Ahem.

(I shouldn't be cruel; I went to school with his niece and by all accounts he's a decent bloke, but he's most definitely not an attractive one. Allow me to throw in Martin Henderson by way of distraction...)
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BookishLookish
11/12/08

@Vivien Smith-Smythe-Smith: You're too young to remember when RC was delicious. Sadly, I am not.
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Vivien Smith-Smythe-Smith
11/12/08

@BookishLookish: Ha, back when he was Russ le Roq?

Actually (and I'm sorry to thread hijack), as much as I complain about rugby being our national religion and the deification of the All Blacks, certain players are worthy of a purely physical adulation. Players such as Richie McCaw:

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Vivien Smith-Smythe-Smith
11/12/08

@Vivien Smith-Smythe-Smith: Also, Joe Rokocoko:

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BookishLookish
11/12/08

@Vivien Smith-Smythe-Smith: Oh, look at the thighs on these fellas! And could there be a better name than Joe Rokocoko?
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Vivien Smith-Smythe-Smith
11/12/08

@BookishLookish: Especially when it's pronounced Rock-a-THo-ko*. I just keep repeating it over and over in my mind...

*I don't know the phonetic symbol, but the 'th' is pronounced, as in 'throw' or 'through'...
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Xylo
11/12/08

@BookishLookish: ?? "Gals over here"? How about gals up here?? Gunnnnhh. I will be there Friday at noon-ish. :DDDDDD
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