You had me until your last sentence "zinger."

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[www.renewamerica.us]

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If Renew America is your idea of a trustworthy source, so do you.

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To clarify, abortion wasn't illegal in the Roman empire. It was illegal for a woman to have an abortion without her husband's permission. Your husband owned your body and the fetus, so whatever he said was ok. They also had infanticide (by leaving babies out in the woods), again, as long as the pater familias was down with it. They were just a little more honest about the abortion debate coming down to ownership over women's bodies.

For the record, this is the first time the class I took in law school, Roman Law: abortion, homosexuality and the death penalty, has come in handy. Now I'm so glad I never took bankruptcy law.

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He actually might have killed a jihadist fetus! What do you think of that, Bill?

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How did that go?

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Oh, yeah, and Iowa vs California. Now which one is progressive?

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The sad thing is that is how some people actually think.

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Your keen powers of observation were correct that both prolife individuals on BO's show had penises. Good for you. That doesn't mean that there aren't prolife women out there AND it doesn't mean they are out for gays and lesbians.

I am prolife and I believe that all couples should be able marry if they so choose, regardless of gender. I'm also against the death penalty.

You all sound as ridiculous as Bill O'Reilly here. Life isn't that black and white. However, if these nonsensical rants are read by a conservative-killer that offs me, I'll be sure to have my estate track you all down and sue for inciting violence.

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One of the loudest mouthpieces of the pro-life movement is O'Reilly, a male.

Look to other pro-life groups, and you will also notice that the most prominent people speaking about the issue of abortion are also male.

While men can have a voice in the abortion debate, don't pretend that they can have an equal voice as compared to women in an abortion debate.

They shouldn't be leading this debate. At all.

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I'm actually very sympathetic to your position. I certainly don't want anyone to have a say, other than myself, of what happens to my body. Unfortunately, the issue of when life begins is hardly a black and white issue and that what muddles the whole damn thing up for me.

When you look at it from a when does life begin position as opposed to a women's body control issue, BO certainly is entitled to an opinion, penis or not.

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Good to know. I'll tell my husband to stop caring about it.

The point of bluebears pointing this out is that far too often, the anti-choice movement is represented by well-off middle-aged white men, who have never and will never be in a position to be told what they can and cannot do with their bodies in such a fashion. Most of the time I hear their rhetoric, the strongest underlying current is "that slut had it coming because she had sex", regardless if the woman whose body they want to have dominion over is married or not. According to their logic, because I'm not in a position in my life where I could become a parent, my husband and I should just hold off on all sex. 99% of the time, the same men on O'Reilly's show are also the ones ranting against comprehensive and medically accurate sex ed being taught in schools or de-stigmatizing birth control methods and making them cheap and easily available to everyone. If 25% of the people having abortions are teenagers, it just makes sense to make birth control available to them as much as possible. But not to this pack of holier-than-thous. It's much more fun and profitable to engage in slut-shaming and enraged innocence on cable TV.

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I do agree with you that our public schools could do a better job with sex ed and birth control should be easily accessible. I will add however that birth control is hardly foolproof -- I have several nieces and nephews to prove it. I don't have a problem with teaching abstinence, in conjunction with a comprehensive sex ed cirriculum, because if a teenager's birth control fails they might not be adequately prepared to deal with the consequences. Our bodies develop the ability to procreate long before we are developmentally and emotionally prepared to do so.

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But seriously, I'm so with you. It's beyond disgusting that he can throw such hateful lies out there, and in the next breath try to discredit his critics by accusing them of not doing their research. It turns my stomach.

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