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pit_viper
08/26/09

In reply to Bernie Goldberg Revives Memogate Debates, Implicates Mapes, Rather
How many years ago was that 60 Minutes report? And he's got nothing else? No other 'liberal media' outrage to flog? No more, shall we say, recent grievances? No, heaven forbid, more relevant outrage?

Pretty soon his website will have nothing but KIDS, GET OFF MY LAWN scrolling across a black, black screen of fail.
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Claire Buoyant
08/26/09

In reply to Bernie Goldberg Revives Memogate Debates, Implicates Mapes, Rather
Flogging your own website like some infomercial salesman isn't exactly the best way to establish credibility.

Bush could've volunteered to go to Vietnam knowing for certain that he would be turned down, therefore fronting an appearance o dutiful and brave sacrifice while in reality risking nothing. But on the other hand, I'm not sure he's smart enough to have figured that move out.
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lil red
08/25/09

In reply to Bernie Goldberg Revives Memogate Debates, Implicates Mapes, Rather
Oh please, talk about rewriting history.

Rather screwed up for some reason- I have no idea why...but the evidence against Bush's National Guard record was sitting right on the internet at the Boston Globe website. I can't believe Rather never heard about these docs. But that's besides the point. This guy Goldberg conveniently attacks Rather and Mapes, while Moonves is facing a $70 million lawsuit on Rather's termination.

Why do we even listen to these idiots?

[www.boston.com]
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MissNormaDesmond
08/26/09

@lil red: Goldberg's been trading on this crap for years. He's both a moron and a total sell-out.
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Motoko Kusanagi
08/26/09

@lil red: That's the point. CBS forged the documents to make their case. Whether they needed to do that or not is irrelevant.
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Greasy Thumb Guzik
08/26/09

@Motoko Kusanagi:
I doubt that CBS did the forgery. It was given forgeries that were probably made from real documents.
The question to ask is did the forger deliberately use some superscript font to later"catch" CBS or did the forger just do it without that knowledge & CBS still fell for it.

And I still think Karl Rove will be found out as behind it.
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lil red
08/26/09

@Motoko Kusanagi: Actually- the documents were hanging out on the net for awhile, with many other docs. CBS didn't forge them-the source Bill whathisname did.

But- I was interpreting the point (the video wouldn't play for me so...) Gawker made on this being-Bush wanted to go to Vietnam.
I suppose then, we are to believe that Bush broke all the rules so that he might have the opportunity to go to war in Vietnam.
I know Bush isn't the brightest, but someone could have explained that all he had to do was enlist for a tour of duty. If he wanted to fly while in service, then he might have a problem, because he conveniently went missing many times for those training hours.
Bush was to have signed in with the Guard when he arrived at Harvard. He didn't. Most normal recruits would have been sent off to Vietnam at that point.
Something prevented Bush doing a tour in Vietnam and it wasn't the fact that he didn't have enough flight training.

I was pretty pissed that Rather ignored this information. It is bad journalism to rely on a single source for the story.
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MissNormaDesmond
08/26/09

@lil red: The whole episode was some of the most criminally inept journalism ever. The first thing I said when I heard that the supposed documents had come to light was, "They'd better check the typeface." I've never been an investigator, a journalist, nothing, I'm just an ordinary citizen with a functioning frontal lobe. However, the beauty here is it's being responded to with more of the same.
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cockfightbarmitzvah
08/25/09

In reply to Bernie Goldberg Revives Memogate Debates, Implicates Mapes, Rather
I think there may of been a simpler way for Bush to of gone to Vietnam. Like by applying to the Air Force instead of using his parents connections to go to the National Guard.
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baconismyaesthetic
08/26/09

@cockfightbarmitzvah: Exactly. There is nothing so ironic or despicable that some of the biggest war mongerers shirked their duties when it came to actual war. I have yet to meet a veteran who wasn't profoundly affected by their experience, leading them to approach war as the grave, terrible force it is.
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Steverino Begins
06/02/09

In reply to Bill O'Reilly Attacks 'Far Left' For Criticism Over Death of George Tiller
Well, it's not popular to admit, but I don't think O'Reilly is to blame for this. His coverage of Tiller was sort of dickish, as per usual, but calling the guy "Tiller the Baby Killer" doesn't mean he wanted him dead. He's just a TV blowhard, and TV blowhards like to trash people they disagree with.

If one of Olbermann's Worst Persons In the World were killed, would we be pointing the finger at him? Hell, if Bush had been assassinated, would we have accepted the blame that FOX would surely have heaped on the anti-Bush crowd? No, even though Bush caused the deaths of 10,000s of Iraqi civilians, and I have regularly applauded the speakers who have pointed this out.

Debates can get can heated. I don't think the participants should be blamed for those lunatics listening in the crowd who take the argument too far.
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gawkimo
06/02/09

In reply to Bill O'Reilly Attacks 'Far Left' For Criticism Over Death of George Tiller
I don't understand why this blathering man is anti-abortion. He doesn't strike me as somebody who really gives a shit about abortion, women or the situation of poor children in America. If anything, this fucker should be promoting free abortions for poor women (especially blacks and Hispanics): that would be more consistent with this fucker's world view.
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Trixie from Toronto
06/02/09

In reply to Bill O'Reilly Attacks 'Far Left' For Criticism Over Death of George Tiller
I cannot even bring myself to hit the play button because I have a profound hatred of this man anyway and I will hurl my laptop out the window if I watch this clip. Please let this be the beginning of the end of this hateful buffoon's career.
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Jack_Burton
06/02/09

In reply to Bill O'Reilly Attacks 'Far Left' For Criticism Over Death of George Tiller
Calling Tiller a killer is cowardly, for if he called him a murderer, like you know he wants to, O'Reilly would surely go to the poorhouse for libel and defamation.
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Niko Bellic
06/02/09

In reply to Bill O'Reilly Attacks 'Far Left' For Criticism Over Death of George Tiller
Arianna Huffington, Markos Moulitsas and the rest have been put on notice.
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Cicada
06/01/09

In reply to Bill O'Reilly Attacks 'Far Left' For Criticism Over Death of George Tiller
My heart bleeds purple piss for the poor, persecuted BillO.
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wholenuther
06/01/09

In reply to Bill O'Reilly Attacks 'Far Left' For Criticism Over Death of George Tiller
Do O'Reilly, Limbaugh, Palin, et al know that a lot of aborted fetuses would've grown up to be black people and Latinos? That might cause them to rethink their positions.
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johnny_carsick
06/01/09

@wholenuther: hahahahaha. "think". you slay me.
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Slovenly Muse
06/01/09

@wholenuther: Not to mention the 10% who would have turned out GLBT.
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battleaxonista...is a humorless bitch
06/02/09

@wholenuther: Srsly, just tell all the wingnuts that 99% of abortions are Negresses and Mexicans and we've got ourself eternal legal abortion! Hell, they'll probably fundraise to build a clinic next to every KFC & Popeye's in the nation.
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foodandshoes
06/02/09

@battleaxonista...is a humorless bitch: um, satire?

You had me until your last sentence "zinger."
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battleaxonista...is a humorless bitch
06/02/09

@foodandshoes: Yes, satire. Due to the latest KFC/Popeye chicken debacles, Rethugs like Bill O' Reilly would of course think they are the Minority Meccas of the universe.
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jodark
06/02/09

@wholenuther: Hahah OMG LOL. Yeah if they hated black people so much maybe they should give them free abortions, not oppose abortion like so many do. Obviously white people hate black people, that's why so many of them use the racism inherrent in abortion statistics to denounce it. Oh look, as evidence I submit and article written by a White pastor from North Carolina doing just that. You people need to get out more.

[www.renewamerica.us]
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valet_of_the_dolls
06/02/09

@jodark: You people need to get out more.

If Renew America is your idea of a trustworthy source, so do you.
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Weegee's bored
06/01/09

In reply to Bill O'Reilly Attacks 'Far Left' For Criticism Over Death of George Tiller
The Jidahists for Jesus should go join the Taliban, who are like-minded women haters and infidel-slayers.
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pilf
06/01/09

In reply to Bill O'Reilly Attacks 'Far Left' For Criticism Over Death of George Tiller
"... fetuses who will never become American citizens." Now that's something we could march to. 'Cause American fetuses are obviously worth more than those other, unamerican, fetuses. Right, Bill?
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Ohcaptainmycaptain
06/02/09

@pilf: I think his point was that Tiller aborted American babies. But I agree, the qualifier isn't necessary.
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jodark
06/02/09

@pilf: Actually, the label relates back to the historical fact that abortion was illegal in the Roman era because it was killing a Roman citizen protected by Roman law. They had the technology back then, but it was illegal. And now you know.
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nowimpissed
06/02/09

@jodark:

To clarify, abortion wasn't illegal in the Roman empire. It was illegal for a woman to have an abortion without her husband's permission. Your husband owned your body and the fetus, so whatever he said was ok. They also had infanticide (by leaving babies out in the woods), again, as long as the pater familias was down with it. They were just a little more honest about the abortion debate coming down to ownership over women's bodies.

For the record, this is the first time the class I took in law school, Roman Law: abortion, homosexuality and the death penalty, has come in handy. Now I'm so glad I never took bankruptcy law.
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dinalohan
06/02/09

@Ohcaptainmycaptain: Actually, women came from all over the world for his services.

He actually might have killed a jihadist fetus! What do you think of that, Bill?
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Mediahohoho
06/01/09

In reply to Bill O'Reilly Attacks 'Far Left' For Criticism Over Death of George Tiller
Interestingly, the positions BO ascribes to "the far left loons" of America can safely be attributed to between 65 and 70% of the population. So he might want to rethink his terms.
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Goethewritesdrivel
06/02/09

@Mediahohoho: Abortion debate is roughly equal, last I looked. See poll released showing nationally pro-lifers above 50%.
[www.gallup.com]
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Mediahohoho
06/02/09

@Goethewritesdrivel: Oh, okay. So on this issue only half of the country are far left loons.

And the other half are happily watching Bill O'Reilly spout off about their friends, neighbors and co-workers. Good to know.
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Weegee's bored
06/01/09

In reply to Bill O'Reilly Attacks 'Far Left' For Criticism Over Death of George Tiller
The dude didn't have a childhood. He skipped the larval stage entirely and went straight from egg to fully grown dung beetle.
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