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    Victorian Psychiatrists Upset at Wikipedia Exposing Their Voodoo Secrets

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    Image of TwiceShy TwiceShy
    07/29/09

    In reply to Victorian Psychiatrists Upset at Wikipedia Exposing Their Voodoo Secrets
    I saw parakeets but couldn't explain the extra limbs so I'm switching my answer to Beavers.
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    07/29/09

    In reply to Victorian Psychiatrists Upset at Wikipedia Exposing Their Voodoo Secrets
    #7 is clearly two old lesbians rubbing rumps. Everyone can plainly see that.
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    Bob Wiley promoted this comment Sleepyhead was starred Sleepyhead was unstarred
    Image of degaussing degaussing
    07/29/09

    In reply to Victorian Psychiatrists Upset at Wikipedia Exposing Their Voodoo Secrets
    If you ever have a psychologist who would even consider using a Rorschach test, please vacate the premises immediately. What this means is that your psychologist hasn't read any psychological research in the past 20 years, in which countless studies have demonstrated the dire invalidity of this test. I do not want a psychologist who has ignored the past twenty years of psychological research, do you?
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    MissNormaDesmond promoted this comment degaussing was starred degaussing was unstarred
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    07/29/09

    In reply to Victorian Psychiatrists Upset at Wikipedia Exposing Their Voodoo Secrets
    #1-7: Bullshit
    #8-10: Multi-colored bullshit.
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    07/29/09

    In reply to Victorian Psychiatrists Upset at Wikipedia Exposing Their Voodoo Secrets
    Wow! Ouch! Anyone here feel injured by the community of mental health professionals or what? I myself do not use this test in my work but it is well normed, solidly developed, and easily defendable in court. Say what you will, but I have handed profiles of scores over to a professor who never saw the client and they have correctly noted things that took me weeks or months of therapy to get at.

    Diagnosis should never be made on the basis of a single test, including the golden MMPI-2 (which, by the way, measures differnt things than the Rorshach). For most of us diagnosis is not even necessary, but you can't tell your insurance company that. "Neurotic pseudo-intellectual" is not a diagnosis, nor is "hate my parents," "Stressed at work," or "going through a breakup." These are the things most of us get therapy for.

    Don't go thinking you're all special and mentally ill and stuff. I could tell you some stories about the responses I have gotten to this test from people who are actually mentally ill. Oh, wait, no I can't, because that would violate confidentiality.
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    MissNormaDesmond promoted this comment ocpd301 was starred ocpd301 was unstarred
    Image of Greasy Thumb Guzik Greasy Thumb Guzik
    07/29/09

    @ocpd301:
    The MMPI is also bullshit!
    Remember, it used the answers of Midwest farm boys as the norm.
    You know, guys who fucked sheep when they were lonely, that's thei MMPI's normal!
    And it also knocks down atheists & anyone who has what they consider to be "odd bowel habit".
    Like those of us with Crohn's Disease!
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    07/29/09

    @Greasy Thumb Guzik: You'te thinking of the original MMPI. It's since been re-normed.
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    Image of MissNormaDesmond MissNormaDesmond
    07/29/09

    @ocpd301: Solidly developed? For decades there were five different scoring systems in use; a survey of practitioners in the '70s showed that nearly a quarter of respondents weren't using any scoring system at all, and just based their analyses on their own subjective interpretations. Of those who did score, 75% were using their own personalized integration of several different scoring systems.

    In the middle 70s, there was finally a systematic attempt to come up with a comprehensive system that could be normed, but it's had to be continually revised since then, and for several years the norms for that system (if people were even using it) were based on a serious error in data that wasn't discovered until '99. For the vast majority of its history, it's been ridiculously subjective and unscientific, and there is still widespread debate on what system for scoring is best even among people who consider it a worthwhile test. Never mind that it's never exhibited any long-term stability as a test for children, although it's often used on them.

    Please, really look into the history of this test. It's not what you appear to think it is.
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    07/29/09

    In reply to Victorian Psychiatrists Upset at Wikipedia Exposing Their Voodoo Secrets
    Mothman.
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    Image of Paul.B.Dodd Paul.B.Dodd
    07/29/09

    In reply to Victorian Psychiatrists Upset at Wikipedia Exposing Their Voodoo Secrets
    Is this what you do all day when you are an analyst/therapist, or analrapist?
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    Image of AccaliaOgodai AccaliaOgodai
    07/29/09

    In reply to Victorian Psychiatrists Upset at Wikipedia Exposing Their Voodoo Secrets
    The test isn't used for diagnosis. It's used to obtain an understanding of how a person (mis)perceives him or herself and others; how much effort they put into processing the environment around them; how they might be expected to attend to and modulate emotions; how they might be expected to solve problems, etc.

    It's particularly useful when a person demonstrates a tendency to impression manage on an objective psychological test, as most people are unsure of what a "correct" Rorschach response is and are, therefore, less able to present a certain impression.

    So much for that, I guess.
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    CaptainFantastic promoted this comment snugbug approved this comment AccaliaOgodai was starred AccaliaOgodai was unstarred
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    07/29/09

    @AccaliaOgodai: Evolve.
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    Image of MissNormaDesmond MissNormaDesmond
    07/29/09

    @AccaliaOgodai: How does any of that answer the objection that the problem with the test lies in the subjectivity of the tester's interpretation?
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    Image of DahlELama DahlELama
    07/29/09

    @MissNormaDesmond: Doesn't the fact that there are set correct answers posted above suggest that the tester's interpretation is not subjective?
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    Image of MissNormaDesmond MissNormaDesmond
    07/29/09

    @DahlELama: Doesn't the fact that that set of answers is one of several different sets (about all of which there is and has long been considerable controversy) suggest that maybe it's a pile of poo?
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    Edited by MissNormaDesmond at 07/29/09 7:02 PM MissNormaDesmond was starred MissNormaDesmond was unstarred
    Image of maddoxhair maddoxhair
    07/29/09

    In reply to Victorian Psychiatrists Upset at Wikipedia Exposing Their Voodoo Secrets
    story: i was forced to take this thing back in high school, before the days of the internet and long before this wikipedia thing. i found a psychology book in my local mall waldenbooks that told all about the test and what the "right" answers were. it also said that most "sane" people don't give ALL the right answers, that there was some variance. so i memorized the "right" answers, and when i took the test i gave most of the "right" answers, and my own interpretation of 3 or 4.

    point is, this was in 1992. and it was possible to do this then. much ado about nothing. paranoid psychotherapists.
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    Paul.B.Dodd promoted this comment Edited by maddoxhair at 07/29/09 12:51 PM maddoxhair was starred maddoxhair was unstarred
    Image of Hydroceph Hydroceph
    07/29/09

    In reply to Victorian Psychiatrists Upset at Wikipedia Exposing Their Voodoo Secrets
    For some reason, they all look like the trippy cover of Dante's Inferno i made the kids read back when i was an evil college instructor.
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    Image of RheaPollstry RheaPollstry
    07/29/09

    @Hydroceph: When I was a child I had a crush on the professor on Gilligan's Island...
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    Hydroceph promoted this comment RheaPollstry was starred RheaPollstry was unstarred
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    07/29/09

    @RheaPollstry: me, too, honey, me too.
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    Image of J. Frank Parnell J. Frank Parnell
    07/29/09

    In reply to Victorian Psychiatrists Upset at Wikipedia Exposing Their Voodoo Secrets
    Hurm.
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    blix promoted this comment Edited by J. Frank Parnell at 07/29/09 12:31 PM J. Frank Parnell was starred J. Frank Parnell was unstarred
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    07/29/09

    In reply to Victorian Psychiatrists Upset at Wikipedia Exposing Their Voodoo Secrets
    So, the fact that I saw 2 pointy-eared elephants in the first picture means I'm insane and have sexual fantasies about Dumbo?
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    Image of Mr.HandsomePrettyFace Mr.HandsomePrettyFace
    07/29/09

    In reply to Victorian Psychiatrists Upset at Wikipedia Exposing Their Voodoo Secrets
    #3 is obviously 2 girls and 1 fish bowl
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    07/29/09

    @Mr.HandsomePrettyFace: Congratulations! You have neurosyphilis!
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    Image of Mr.HandsomePrettyFace Mr.HandsomePrettyFace
    07/29/09

    @DahlELama: come to think of it, i do get an itchy burny sensation in my occipital lobes when i think hard... giggidy
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    07/29/09

    In reply to Victorian Psychiatrists Upset at Wikipedia Exposing Their Voodoo Secrets
    Chicken and a crying baby?!? I thought this was a comedy site...
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    notsofresh promoted this comment Housebroken(mostly) was starred Housebroken(mostly) was unstarred
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    07/29/09

    @Housebroken(mostly): Thank you.
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    Image of gabrielsong gabrielsong
    07/29/09

    @notsofresh: See M*A*S*H* series finale for further explanation, please.
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    07/29/09

    @gabrielsong: See 30 Rock season finale for further explanation of allusion to M*A*S*H series finale, please.
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    notsofresh promoted this comment Housebroken(mostly) was starred Housebroken(mostly) was unstarred
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    07/30/09

    @Housebroken(mostly): That's what I was thanking you for.
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    07/29/09

    In reply to Victorian Psychiatrists Upset at Wikipedia Exposing Their Voodoo Secrets

    #8 Is definitely the cover art of Queen's "a Night at the Opera".
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