I might remind people who are all incensed about the term limits issue. Term limits have traditionally been a Republican proposal. Term limits are, at base, conservative and anti-democratic #michaelbloomberg
@lionel-mandrake: How are they anti-democratic? A term limit, as a measure instituted via democratic vote, seems pretty ideologically neutral to me. #michaelbloomberg
@skt.smth: The first major piece of term limit legislation was the 2 term limit imposed on Presidents, which was imposed by the Republican Congress after the death of President Roosevelt. There was no popular vote.
As a political issue, term limits have historically been sought by conservatives and libertarians as a political ploy to break up what they see as entrenched Democratic constituencies (the Kennedys). The last notable time that term limits came to the fore as an issue was when Gingrich's "Contract With America" gang tried to get them imposed in Congress.
In New York City they were sought as part of the Conservative tilt that brought Giuliani to power. They were later confirmed, with the support of the mayor, in 1996. You are right, however, in saying that NYC term limits were sought through popular referendum, but that has not generally been the case, historically. #michaelbloomberg
@lionel-mandrake: No, I said "democratic vote" and that's precisely what I meant. Members of Congress are our representatives. To argue that passing a term limit in Congress is anti-democratic is to argue that passing anything in Congress is anti-democratic. You're entitled to make that point, but don't hold it against me if I fail to follow along.
Now, if a term limit were, in and of itself, an anti-democratic policy (as, say, abolishing womens' voting rights would be), I would see your point. But again, you haven't really demonstrated why it's anti-democratic. The fact that republicans/conservatives have, historically speaking, been the ones to float the idea doesn't prove that point.
The problem you have is with the Democrats in NY, not really Bloomberg, so thank you for acknowledging it. Im not sure why we have to vilify someone who believes that he is the best person for the job. And apparently, majority of NYC has agreed with him 3 times in a row. If he was doing a terrible job, than he would have lost. But there was no way Thompson was going to win this...mainly because what were his proposals?
Hate Bloomberg or not, he has aided the arts, developed neighborhoods, while they are expensive, they are safe! I live in one of them, one that Bloomberg has dedicated most of his years in developing, expanding parks, bringing in schools and police presence and well my neighbors thank him. Yes, NYC is expensive, tell me something I dont know, but at least we get services for what we pay for. #michaelbloomberg
I voted for Bloomberg this time out, and now that he's an "independent" I can justify it.
That said, having lived in this city for 90% of my life, I can safely say he's best mayor we've had in my lifetime.
Gone is the nasty, shouting tone of our politics that seemed to dominate in the Koch and Giuliani era. Greenspace, closing down chunks of Broadway. 311. I could go on. These are things Bloomberg could accomplish precisely because he is an autocrat.
You really are deluding yourself if you think that Thompson would have been an effective mayor. Until the Dems clean up the party in this town, any Democratic mayor who gets elected is going to be so mortgaged to the Unions and other special interests, that they will be completely unable to function.
Hey, hey, hey now. No reason to spew such vitriol on the Cosby sweater. They bring joyous, spastic dancing and near bell's palsy induced face mugging. How could you ever not enjoy a Cosby sweater?
So you'll be revolting, right? I know all the new media types have been stockpiling munitions for months now. Choire has a MiG-29 stashed in a warehouse in Hoboken. Emily Gould can shoot out the &hearts of an I &hearts NY t-shirt at 500 meters. Nick Denton is working on some kind of mind control laser. This is the moment you've been waiting for. It won't be long until those old establishment running dogs are up against the wall.
The Times' map struck me as basically a straight-up breakdown of haves (for Bloomberg) versus have-nots (Thompson)—unremarkable as a trend, but pretty astonishing in how clearly demarcated it worked out geographically. Gross!
Bloomberg is an arrogant ass, and Thompson embodies the citywide Democratic party's unique tendency to squander its numerical advantage by failing to field a candidate with more charm, fight, and appeal than a garden slug. They should have gone with Anthony Weiner. Maybe in 2013?
In that I was able to express a protest vote against the further stratification and Sex-in-the-Citification of NYC and my (perhaps futile) support for a lively, diverse, and middle-class friendly urban fabric, I don't regret my vote for Billy Talen for a damned minute.
@drewtopianism: au contraire mon fraire garden slugs have much more charm, fight and appeal than both of these units. They drink beer until they explode! #michaelbloomberg
@The Real JR: Props to you and the rest of the other 8964 like-minded NYers who voted green. And yes, my only ballot booth quandary was arguing which third-party candidate to vote for—Talen or, as you mention, this guy: #michaelbloomberg
@drewtopianism: You can't tell that from looking at the map, in part because it isn't true. Bloomberg got 52% of people making between $50,000 and $100,000, and %43 or those making less than $50,000. He also got 44% of people with no college degree and 46% of those looking for work.So it's hardly a straight up haves vs have nots. #michaelbloomberg
@kneetoe: Fair point—haven't delved into the exit poll numbers, though I'd raise a big question about those based on the near historically low turnout.
But go ahead. Superimpose on the above any map of NYC income by assembly district—or for that matter, ethnoracial composition—and the correlation is nearly exact. The Bronx (sans Riverdale), Central Brooklyn, Jamaica, and upper Manhattan are true blue while the Upper East Side, Eastern Queens, the fancy parts of Brooklyn, and Staten Island are deep, blood-of-the-proletarians red. #michaelbloomberg
@drewtopianism: On a broad scale there is correlation, but many areas where Bloomberg did well--like Staten Island, especially the South Shore, south Brooklyn, the Rockaways, and much of Queens are as much working class/middle class as anything (you can't lump the Upper East Side with Staten Island--or, for that matter, with any other place on earth). Of couse, as you point out, race/ethnicity makes the picture more complex and may well better explain the vote, although looking at the actual vote, that too is more complicated than the above map would suggest. #michaelbloomberg
@kneetoe: Word. I'm being deliberately simplistic—you're right in that there's definitely a lot more going on than the map or exit polls can show. And for me to say that certain race/ethnic/class groups showed broad tendencies favoring candidate A or B is about as profound a point as saying that water is wet. But southern Brooklyn's Russian/Jewish/Italian sections going for Bloomberg is no surprise. Chassidim and Poles in the Williamsburg/Greenpoint district likely provided the edge for Bloomberg vis-à -vis the Hispanics (hipsters probably don't vote)
And the Rockaways, to wit, dramatize what I'm talking about—the suburby-beachy nilla end went for Bloomberg, and the projecty-minorityish end went for Thompson.
So yeah: the point here is basically that I just get inordinate enjoyment from nerding-out about maps. #michaelbloomberg
Looks like my voting district went for Bloomie. Interesting.
When I left my apartment to go and vote, I found a Bloomberg campaign mailer sitting on my doormat (probably around the 100th I've received). That's what finally pushed me over the edge, so I went and voted for Thompson. #michaelbloomberg
yes, indeed, Pareene, screw 'em all. on the bright side, by any measure, Bloomberg got whipped. with all the license he's been afforded by New York media, he could have gone gently. Now he'll be under a microscope, all sorts of dirt will emerge, and the legacy will be tarnished, because he couldn't leave well enough alone, and because he and his development pals' avarice knows no bounds. good riddance! tell me Seabrook wasn't prophetic on NY1! (the only station that had the decency to acknowledge the murky nature of the "victory" as it was unfolding) be careful what you wish for! meanwhile, what of Talen? spoiler? #michaelbloomberg
"Bloomberg won 50,342 more votes than Bill Thompson. Again, we remind you, because no one else bothers to: every night, 40,000 people sleep in New York city homeless shelters....All the papers have done the math, pointing out that Bloomberg spent $151.27 on each vote."
4/5 of Bloomberg's winning margin consisted of homeless paid by his campaign. QED. If you won't say it, I will.
Also: fuck New York. Do you have any idea how many American cities would kill to have your problems? Grab a train south and wear some fucking walking shoes - almost every public service in Philadelphia has stopped functioning, including the buses and subways. Oh, and on that apparel list? Kevlar. Check out the little "murders in the last 24 hours" counter!
Go to any other city in the country: Baltimore. St. Louis. Detroit. You know what the big differences are between those cities and New York? Michael Bloomberg and a shitload of uber-wealthy taxpayers. Careful how eager you are to cast them out; all that low-cost housing you keep advocating isn't exactly going to "cultivate the tax base." It'll put a financial stranglehold on your city and make it a lawless shithole. (Again.) #michaelbloomberg
@Unsolicited Advice: Amen! If that other incompetent clown had won, this city would have gone down faster me in front of a naked Gerard Butler. The number of homeless people in the city is not a fair measure of success. Bloomy has kept this city afloat through thick and thin, and will get us through this depression in one piece. #michaelbloomberg
Bloomberg's a success because he ISN'T AN IDEALIST. He doesn't attempt to change the rules of life in a capitalist society - he plays to win. The strategy? Attract big corporations and rich assholes to your city. Use their taxes to crowd out the unpleasant detritus of society. Rinse and repeat until your city's on the hill and the shit rolls down - upstate, into Philly, into Newark, etc.
It's a ghettoization process. Society is politically structured to reward politicians who engage in it. Bloomberg is not a criminal for winning a national game to accumulate wealthy citizens that was in place long before he took office. #michaelbloomberg
@Unsolicited Advice: "Use their taxes to crowd out the unpleasant detritus of society. "
I just wanted to point out that the two seemingly ardent Bloomberg supporters on this site (you and that cassandra person? Any more, feel free to jump out here) have both used phrasology that implies that mostly minority working class or poor populations are, effectively, scary trash that need to be disposed of. #michaelbloomberg
I don't know that, ideologically, I'm an "ardent supporter" of the man. But he's pragmatic, at least! Sorry; the problems of the worse-off amongst the working class are unsolvable. Their misery is only destined to increase (at the very least in nominal terms) over time. Resources aren't growing, but humanity is.
Maybe one day we'll become a collectivist nation of mutual restraint and limited consumption! And yeah, when that happens, Bloomberg will be way out of step. #michaelbloomberg
@allyzay: I was saying the opposite, which is that it's dumb to believe that black and hispanic people can only survive in this city with the intervention of white people trying to save them from...more white people. Give me a break. #michaelbloomberg
@Unsolicited Advice: You raise a fair point. Almost any American city would kill to have NYC's problems. And if "The Wire" taught us anything, it is that urban policy and governance in the US is generally a Festival of Clown Shit. Can you name a single big-city mayor who is not kind of an incompetent, megalomaniacal ass? The closest I could name would be Cory Booker (whose job nobody would envy), with honorable mentions going to Gavin Newsom and Sam Adams (PDX) for sleazebags whose hearts are in the right place.
So yeah. I feel you. New York's problems seem finnicky when compared to anywhere else—and yes, I come from Detroit. But you gotta balance the pragmatic with the aspirational. New York could be so much better if the city's political class ever got its shit together. And Bloomberg generally means well. Hooray for the High Line and the Second Ave. subway—life continues to get better for the rich. But what about the decrepitude of outer-borough parks, the stalled proposals for streetcar lines in Brooklyn and Queens, the trigger-happy NYPD, the still generally dysfunctional D.o.E., and the development debacles at the WTC, Atlantic Yards, Williamsburg rezoning, the West Side, Coney Island &c. &c. &c? We can see that Bloomberg's leadership has definitely left room for improvement.
NYC won't perish in flames of class-war in a third Bloomberg term. But it would be nice if he would take seriously the idea of perhaps not fucking over the city's working and middle classes. #michaelbloomberg
Man, wouldn't t be nice if the Dems had run someone who wasn't corrupt Bill Thompson? I hate Bloomberg, but when I saw Thompson's concesion speech and saw Al Sharpton behind him, I let out a sigh of relief. It was a choice between pig shit and cow shit. #michaelbloomberg
@BaconCat: I feel the exact same way. I was all for "anyone but Bloomberg," but when I saw that concession speech, I realized we may have dodged a bullet. #michaelbloomberg
@BaconCat: I totally agree. No one presented seemed better than Bloomberg meanwhile I have a HUGE problem with Bloomy changing laws just so he throw money at another election. Seriously, I voted for him twice before. This is America, we would like to think we don't deal with Kings. #michaelbloomberg
@The Real JR: By capitalizing "Kings", I hope you are referring to the unfortunate NBC serial drama. Silas Benjamin for King of Gilboa, I mean Mayor of New York, 2013!!! #michaelbloomberg
@BaconCat: There was no solution. As a Democrat, I wanted someone to run who would actually do something, or tell me he was going to do something. How exactly was Thompson going to lower taxes and yet improve the education system? Most of my friends who had issues with Bloomberg were teachers, but how could they vote for someone who wasn't able to create a functioning school board.
If it was Weiner vs Bloomberg, this would have been a different election, but Thompson was and is not ready to be the mayor of this city. #michaelbloomberg
@drewtopianism: This is what I want from the world right now: A Mayor who can somehow bring back Kings and a President who will force Arrested Development back on the air. Promise me those and you can have anything. #michaelbloomberg
While you're at it, don't forget the publishers of the major dailies who signed on to his hypocritical and self-serving repeal of term limits. Without him in the race there might have been a real election going on. #michaelbloomberg
@naugahydeinplainsight: I really enjoyed today's Daily News cover, implying that all of a sudden they were going to get tough with him, when they have spent the past year doing nothing but fellating him. It made me physically ill. #michaelbloomberg
@DennyCrane: Haha do you get physically ill every time the Daily News radically flips its position on something? Because you gotta be puking like a lady in the throes of morning sickness at this point. #michaelbloomberg
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As a political issue, term limits have historically been sought by conservatives and libertarians as a political ploy to break up what they see as entrenched Democratic constituencies (the Kennedys). The last notable time that term limits came to the fore as an issue was when Gingrich's "Contract With America" gang tried to get them imposed in Congress.
In New York City they were sought as part of the Conservative tilt that brought Giuliani to power. They were later confirmed, with the support of the mayor, in 1996. You are right, however, in saying that NYC term limits were sought through popular referendum, but that has not generally been the case, historically. #michaelbloomberg
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Now, if a term limit were, in and of itself, an anti-democratic policy (as, say, abolishing womens' voting rights would be), I would see your point. But again, you haven't really demonstrated why it's anti-democratic. The fact that republicans/conservatives have, historically speaking, been the ones to float the idea doesn't prove that point.
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Hate Bloomberg or not, he has aided the arts, developed neighborhoods, while they are expensive, they are safe! I live in one of them, one that Bloomberg has dedicated most of his years in developing, expanding parks, bringing in schools and police presence and well my neighbors thank him. Yes, NYC is expensive, tell me something I dont know, but at least we get services for what we pay for. #michaelbloomberg
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That said, having lived in this city for 90% of my life, I can safely say he's best mayor we've had in my lifetime.
Gone is the nasty, shouting tone of our politics that seemed to dominate in the Koch and Giuliani era. Greenspace, closing down chunks of Broadway. 311. I could go on. These are things Bloomberg could accomplish precisely because he is an autocrat.
You really are deluding yourself if you think that Thompson would have been an effective mayor. Until the Dems clean up the party in this town, any Democratic mayor who gets elected is going to be so mortgaged to the Unions and other special interests, that they will be completely unable to function.
That is a fact. #michaelbloomberg
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To the barricades, comrades! #michaelbloomberg
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Bloomberg is an arrogant ass, and Thompson embodies the citywide Democratic party's unique tendency to squander its numerical advantage by failing to field a candidate with more charm, fight, and appeal than a garden slug. They should have gone with Anthony Weiner. Maybe in 2013?
In that I was able to express a protest vote against the further stratification and Sex-in-the-Citification of NYC and my (perhaps futile) support for a lively, diverse, and middle-class friendly urban fabric, I don't regret my vote for Billy Talen for a damned minute.
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@The Real JR: Props to you and the rest of the other 8964 like-minded NYers who voted green. And yes, my only ballot booth quandary was arguing which third-party candidate to vote for—Talen or, as you mention, this guy: #michaelbloomberg
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But go ahead. Superimpose on the above any map of NYC income by assembly district—or for that matter, ethnoracial composition—and the correlation is nearly exact. The Bronx (sans Riverdale), Central Brooklyn, Jamaica, and upper Manhattan are true blue while the Upper East Side, Eastern Queens, the fancy parts of Brooklyn, and Staten Island are deep, blood-of-the-proletarians red. #michaelbloomberg
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And the Rockaways, to wit, dramatize what I'm talking about—the suburby-beachy nilla end went for Bloomberg, and the projecty-minorityish end went for Thompson.
So yeah: the point here is basically that I just get inordinate enjoyment from nerding-out about maps. #michaelbloomberg
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When I left my apartment to go and vote, I found a Bloomberg campaign mailer sitting on my doormat (probably around the 100th I've received). That's what finally pushed me over the edge, so I went and voted for Thompson. #michaelbloomberg
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4/5 of Bloomberg's winning margin consisted of homeless paid by his campaign. QED. If you won't say it, I will.
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Go to any other city in the country: Baltimore. St. Louis. Detroit. You know what the big differences are between those cities and New York? Michael Bloomberg and a shitload of uber-wealthy taxpayers. Careful how eager you are to cast them out; all that low-cost housing you keep advocating isn't exactly going to "cultivate the tax base." It'll put a financial stranglehold on your city and make it a lawless shithole. (Again.) #michaelbloomberg
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Bloomberg's a success because he ISN'T AN IDEALIST. He doesn't attempt to change the rules of life in a capitalist society - he plays to win. The strategy? Attract big corporations and rich assholes to your city. Use their taxes to crowd out the unpleasant detritus of society. Rinse and repeat until your city's on the hill and the shit rolls down - upstate, into Philly, into Newark, etc.
It's a ghettoization process. Society is politically structured to reward politicians who engage in it. Bloomberg is not a criminal for winning a national game to accumulate wealthy citizens that was in place long before he took office. #michaelbloomberg
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I just wanted to point out that the two seemingly ardent Bloomberg supporters on this site (you and that cassandra person? Any more, feel free to jump out here) have both used phrasology that implies that mostly minority working class or poor populations are, effectively, scary trash that need to be disposed of. #michaelbloomberg
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I don't know that, ideologically, I'm an "ardent supporter" of the man. But he's pragmatic, at least! Sorry; the problems of the worse-off amongst the working class are unsolvable. Their misery is only destined to increase (at the very least in nominal terms) over time. Resources aren't growing, but humanity is.
Maybe one day we'll become a collectivist nation of mutual restraint and limited consumption! And yeah, when that happens, Bloomberg will be way out of step. #michaelbloomberg
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So yeah. I feel you. New York's problems seem finnicky when compared to anywhere else—and yes, I come from Detroit. But you gotta balance the pragmatic with the aspirational. New York could be so much better if the city's political class ever got its shit together. And Bloomberg generally means well. Hooray for the High Line and the Second Ave. subway—life continues to get better for the rich. But what about the decrepitude of outer-borough parks, the stalled proposals for streetcar lines in Brooklyn and Queens, the trigger-happy NYPD, the still generally dysfunctional D.o.E., and the development debacles at the WTC, Atlantic Yards, Williamsburg rezoning, the West Side, Coney Island &c. &c. &c? We can see that Bloomberg's leadership has definitely left room for improvement.
NYC won't perish in flames of class-war in a third Bloomberg term. But it would be nice if he would take seriously the idea of perhaps not fucking over the city's working and middle classes. #michaelbloomberg
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If it was Weiner vs Bloomberg, this would have been a different election, but Thompson was and is not ready to be the mayor of this city. #michaelbloomberg
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