Well, as you all know, I'm a raging bitch. And as you may not know, the total number of tweets I've made seems to be going DOWN rather than up lately. I'd hate to be the intern assigned to "cleaning up the raincoaster stream". Augean stables, anyone? #twitter
1. Make a new Twitter account (or use an already-established one),
2. make sure it's public -- so that its tweets will show up on search.twitter.com -- and then send out several tweets,
3. make sure that the tweets have variety: normal, trivial ones; @replies to non-famous people; nice @replies to famous people; mean @replies to famous people (to both some of the same people that some of the nice @replies were sent to and new ones); etc.,
4. conduct a ton of different searches on search.twitter.com and track the results: search immediately after sending tweets, a couple of hours after, a day after, etc. and then see which ones a) never showed up in the search, b) showed up but then disappeared, and c) showed up and stayed,
5. see what the results tell you about the question you're trying to answer.
I'd be happy to test it out if you'd like me to do so. Let me know. #twitter
I think it'd be hilarious if I did it with either @dinalohan or @kiera_knightley. The problem, though, is that Dina technically doesn't really know how to @reply to people and Keira is too much of a snob to really bother. #twitter
@narnio: I'll probably create a new one and not "reveal" the identity until I'm done testing it (who knows, Ev Williams could read Gawker), but I'm tempted to just use @helen_thomas. #twitter
@Foster Kamer: I already printed out his 10 year blogiversary post and taped it on the ceiling above my bed. The John-John fake rememberance (click here) is nectar of the gods. Mother's milk.
Mickey can do no wrong. His word makes it so. Down with Rattner! Down with the LA Times! Down with John Edwards! Down with whatever immigration thing - I understand none of it - that Mickey doesn't like! I'm in love I'm in love and I don't care who knows it!
@PontiusPirate: I agree. If my interpretation of your comment is correct: that unions are basically obsolete with the enforcement of reasonable labor/safe-working-conditions legislation.
@EVERYONE: Of course, this certainly doesn't help: [www.pbs.org]
Basically: Both sides share responsibility, or lack thereof.
I'm not a fan of unions because they extort companies to play ball with them. I'd rather that unions be positioned vendors: if they offer good quality product at a fair price and exhibit flexibility, they win the business. If not, their customers (companies) go elsewhere. This way, unions have clout, but not absolutely so. The problem is that the UAW-automaker relationship has been asymmetrical, in that unions could be horrible providers of labor, but the automakers had no ability to switch labor providers.
It's not about the little man versus the big corporation. Unions distort what should be a normal "reward for performance and risk for nonperformance" dynamic that everyone else outside of the union faces on a daily basis. If there is no downside to union workers, what incentive do they have to be productive, create quality work product, etc.? Judging from what I've seen of union shops, the answer is none. Most do their eight and hit the gate.
the more people argue over general motors' failures, the more depressing the whole thing is. i've had several gm cars that i have loved and i'm only 26 years old. please make the system work, the feeling of driving something well-made by workers who can support their families is infinitely superior to bloviating pedants and their reasons for this or that.
@shostakobitch: I have to ask the question; if you are only 26 years old, why have you had "several" cars? I'm 28 and I've had a few. The reason I've had a few (as opposed to, say, one or two) is because they broke down and died, and I had to replace them.
It's a fact that if your competitors have significantly lower OpEx (labor costs being a huge piece of that), then your days are numbered (unless you can get those costs down). Union's inherently block you from lowering your labor costs.
Micky Kaus is not far off - or is Gawker suddenly a Labor Relations thinktank?
Pareene, verily you are a master of twisting other people's arguments to make them sound as crazy as you'd like. Kaus's argument in his latest piece never appears to be that unions are totally to blame. He readily acknowledges that the domestic car companies are turning out junk. His argument is that (1) GM will not be successful long term without reduced labor costs (in addition to appealing product); and (2) that the administration is asking people who don't earn anywhere near $28/hr. (the taxpayers who will ultimately pay for the auto bailout) to shoulder the cost so that those people who do earn $28 won't have to accept paycuts. Disagree you may, but Kaus's argument is not absurd.
@pacific_reporter: my point was basically that mr mickey kaus blames unions for everything wrong and bad, in the world. and that in this case, as in most cases, that is a ridiculous oversimplification, and the motives of anyone who'd indulge in that oversimplification OVER AND OVER AGAIN are pretty suspect.
Well, the days of $28/hour unskilled jobs are over. Liberals love unions, just hate the cars they make. Or they don't like them when the economics get rough (see NY Times Company) Big 3 had to overstaff by approximately 20% because of absenteesm. To just defend the UAW out of some romantic leftism is nonsensical.
The highly adversarial relationship between workers and management is older than all of us and unfortunately has helped lead to the current crappy outcome. It isn't by any means the sole reason for the collapse of the Big Three. And writing off the UAW as indefensible in all its demands and its members as "unskilled" is absolutely ignorant.
@Preopsician: How about defending the UAW out of economic pragmatism? It is actually a good thing to have a way for "unskilled" workers to make a middle class wage. Middle class people buy things like cars and houses, which drives the economy.
@Preopsician: can we stop pretending that gm's cars are made by hand by a bunch of "unskilled" "uneducated" manual workers anymore? there is a thing, you might've heard of it, called computers and robotics now a days, and they are good for things besides pornography and robot dogs -- weird, right!!!
quite frankly the "unskilled" "uneducated" manual workers were putting out a better product.
Why, how dare people who haven't attended Harvard undergrad and Law expect to be paid a living wage? You people should have learned a skill like Mickey here. That skill? Distilling your whiny entitled douchebaggery into blog format.
@Cicada: thank you. This is unspoken argument against UAW workers making this much money, they're "uneducated" so therefore should live in poverty. Just fyi, its a really unpleasant high risk physical job that does take skill to perform. I don't understand why people feel it should be so poorly compensated.
@Unsolicited Advice: I'm not getting the argument here. Is the idea that people without college degrees shouldn't make this much? Or that the work they do isn't worth that much?
@Cicada: ok since people here want to get serious and shit:
"The real median earnings of men who worked full time, year-round climbed between 2006 and 2007, from $43,460 to $45,113. For women, the corresponding increase was from $33,437 to $35,102"
that's census data, just fyi. it's not hard to look up, and we need to stop making up stories about "couples with two children" since ain't none of you know anyone's situation, and being married to a non-wage earner or spouting out children doesn't entitle you to any more money than anyone else working the same job so if we're gonna speculate seriously on income let's just use some actual hard numbers, no?
@bluebears: i really think it has more to do with the standards of living of the majority of americans vis a vis the products these companies are actually outputting that is getting some ppl's goats. it's really misplaced to level all the ire at the unions but it's not really rocket science to figure out why people are bitches about this.
@allyzay: yeah but the ultimate product these companies are turning out has much more to do with front office than labor. The waste and inflexibility within GM in particular in that area is out of control. Yet you never hear people complaining that those executives make well over what your average line worker makes. That has nothing to do with the UAW.
Claiming that the UAW has no responsibility for "front office" decisions and behavior is silly. I'm not eager to just blame the unions but you can't draw a clear line from any one party within to bankruptcy. Wagoner didn't take on all the debt and was largely stuck with the big union contracts. The UAW didn't choose to make SUV's or decide to overexpand. Neither of them were responsible for marketing's total inability to cope with decades of bad PR that stretches back to "Unsafe at any Speed." They all contributed to creating nothing out of something and frankly they all deserve each other.
@Unsolicited Advice: GM still makes the basic frames for all of their cars in the same factories, with the same equipment it has used since the 60s. Because of this the basic design of all GM cars is not as contemporary looking as their competitors, they do not use the sophisticated technology used by their competitors. Why do they do this? BAD MANAGEMENT. period. GM decided that no one should/would car if the cars looked like they always did. Consumers proved them wrong. GM still refused to change. That is just one example (out of MANY) of how inflexible management and arrogance and unwillingness to change sunk GM, not high labor cost. If GM was putting out an attractive (in all ways, not just superficially) product they would still be able to afford higher labor costs, as misha trotsky points out below.
Perhaps. I think making that claim with certainty is a case of overlaying your hopes onto your analysis. While your grain of truth about 60's equipment may be accurate, it doesn't address the argument that labor costs influenced management decisions. And it seems to ignore that, up until 2005? 2006? GM was aggressively expanding production capability with new factories.
WHY are they using 60's equipment? Because Rick Wagoner likes flying planes? I don't think so.
@Unsolicited Advice: sigh. GM actually owns few factories, they have contracts with suppliers who own factories. or they have contracts with suppliers who have contracts with companies that own factories. late twentieth century industrial business is quite complicated! I suggest you give it a look see.
But what I was talking about was this one particular set of factories that GM exclusively owns and operates. Oh and its not a grain of truth. But thanks for assuming I'm full of shit.
Changes to the cost side would have helped, surely. But GM also doesn't build anything compelling. That is why it's so strange that it's being saved - there is no capital to preserve. The brands are dead, labor is at untenable prices, and more cars are being made by "foreign" companies on US soil than GM. Even Bob freakin' Reich thinks this was a mistake.
@Unsolicited Advice: I still don't get why I haven't seen a single talking head just point out the obvious: GM and Ford made shitty cars, at least in comparison to imports. That had nothing to do with unions.
The argument I've tended to support is a little more complex. I think that GM couldn't build better cars in part BECAUSE of unions. They became dependant on high-margin vehicles because their cost structure could not compete in low-margin small car markets. All those obligations baked production costs into GM vehicles that meant a Chevy Cobalt had to be constructed cheaply to be in the same price range as a Honda Civic. That will be an ongoing debate between unionists and corporatists for some time.
The more important question for me, though, is why the hell did we prop the thing up? Hasn't every environmentalist, futurist, etc. been telling us for decades that we need fewer cars, less roads, etc.? The jobs aren't even being saved!
@Unsolicited Advice: Uh, the marching orders, R&D, etc. have nothing to do with unions. I'm going to use the Ford Taurus as an example. Insanely popular car. But while the camry when through several major redesigns and improvements, a 1995 Taurus was the same damn car as the 1987 one. By the late 1990's Ford was developing its SUVs and gave up the Sedan market. That's a business decision.
And quality controls, what the imports did in terms of improving line manufacturing wasn't followed by the big 3. At all. The unions may have some small role to play in this, but management's failure to innovate, the insanely large over saturated dealer network, lack of compelling reliable cars led to their demise.
And yes. I know they've "improved." It's just that it takes time to win people over. If they were truly committed to turning the tide, they would do what Huyndai did when it started to improve quality.
Unions defined large portions of the cost structure, jets notwithstanding. I will re-state that cost structure was the basis of and/or major contributing element to a decision to focus on high-margin vehicles. That business decision was based on fact - the fact that low-margin small cars and family sedans were not competitive markets for companies laden with high, inflexible labor costs.
But the problem is actually that GM didn't focus on high-margin vehicles -- instead, they insisted on trying to stay in the low-margin, high-volume segments while building themselves upmarket at the same time.
As long as the company's number-one profit driver was finance, and thus they had two whacks at earning a profit on many vehicles, that strategy worked well enough. But once the GMAC golden goose stopped producing, their only hope was to hang on long enough to push big chunks of their production overseas (look at their aggressive moves into China).
Unfortunately gas prices spiked, people's buying habits changed, and they simply ran out of time.
I do suspect that GM could have survived even with its current cost structure if its operational decisions hadn't been so horrible. Jalopnik had a good post on that topic yesterday. But I think you've correctly diagnosed the symptom that killed the patient -- costs, leading to a lack of flexibility to adjust to a changed market -- while missing the cause: strategic confusion.
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1. Make a new Twitter account (or use an already-established one),
2. make sure it's public -- so that its tweets will show up on search.twitter.com -- and then send out several tweets,
3. make sure that the tweets have variety: normal, trivial ones; @replies to non-famous people; nice @replies to famous people; mean @replies to famous people (to both some of the same people that some of the nice @replies were sent to and new ones); etc.,
4. conduct a ton of different searches on search.twitter.com and track the results: search immediately after sending tweets, a couple of hours after, a day after, etc. and then see which ones a) never showed up in the search, b) showed up but then disappeared, and c) showed up and stayed,
5. see what the results tell you about the question you're trying to answer.
I'd be happy to test it out if you'd like me to do so. Let me know. #twitter
10/29/09
10/29/09
I think it'd be hilarious if I did it with either @dinalohan or @kiera_knightley. The problem, though, is that Dina technically doesn't really know how to @reply to people and Keira is too much of a snob to really bother. #twitter
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Although on further reflection, I could probably get behind that plan.
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Mickey can do no wrong. His word makes it so. Down with Rattner! Down with the LA Times! Down with John Edwards! Down with whatever immigration thing - I understand none of it - that Mickey doesn't like! I'm in love I'm in love and I don't care who knows it!
06/29/09
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C'mon it could be worse... Imagine what form a Cary Tennis crush would take?
06/03/09
@EVERYONE: Of course, this certainly doesn't help: [www.pbs.org]
Basically: Both sides share responsibility, or lack thereof.
SÃ, se puede?
06/02/09
It's not about the little man versus the big corporation. Unions distort what should be a normal "reward for performance and risk for nonperformance" dynamic that everyone else outside of the union faces on a daily basis. If there is no downside to union workers, what incentive do they have to be productive, create quality work product, etc.? Judging from what I've seen of union shops, the answer is none. Most do their eight and hit the gate.
06/02/09
Then you must really hate executives. Which I think is taking things a bit too far.
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-1986 GMC Suburban
-1967 Chevy pickup
-1979 Corvette
-1999 Pontiac Grand Am
I currently drive a Ford. I drive a ton, at least 30K miles a year, and have few complaints.
06/02/09
Micky Kaus is not far off - or is Gawker suddenly a Labor Relations thinktank?
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The highly adversarial relationship between workers and management is older than all of us and unfortunately has helped lead to the current crappy outcome. It isn't by any means the sole reason for the collapse of the Big Three.
And writing off the UAW as indefensible in all its demands and its members as "unskilled" is absolutely ignorant.
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unions exist because management isn't smart enough to work with labor instead of against labor
duh
06/02/09
quite frankly the "unskilled" "uneducated" manual workers were putting out a better product.
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This would put them a bit over the average wage of ~$50,000 per year. In other words, solidly middle class.
Is there something wrong with having people be able to be middle class without a college degree?
06/02/09
The expectation is to meet that with two incomes. So, uh, it's over by double.
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06/02/09
"The real median earnings of men who worked full time, year-round climbed between 2006 and 2007, from $43,460 to $45,113. For women, the corresponding increase was from $33,437 to $35,102"
that's census data, just fyi. it's not hard to look up, and we need to stop making up stories about "couples with two children" since ain't none of you know anyone's situation, and being married to a non-wage earner or spouting out children doesn't entitle you to any more money than anyone else working the same job so if we're gonna speculate seriously on income let's just use some actual hard numbers, no?
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Claiming that the UAW has no responsibility for "front office" decisions and behavior is silly. I'm not eager to just blame the unions but you can't draw a clear line from any one party within to bankruptcy. Wagoner didn't take on all the debt and was largely stuck with the big union contracts. The UAW didn't choose to make SUV's or decide to overexpand. Neither of them were responsible for marketing's total inability to cope with decades of bad PR that stretches back to "Unsafe at any Speed." They all contributed to creating nothing out of something and frankly they all deserve each other.
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Perhaps. I think making that claim with certainty is a case of overlaying your hopes onto your analysis. While your grain of truth about 60's equipment may be accurate, it doesn't address the argument that labor costs influenced management decisions. And it seems to ignore that, up until 2005? 2006? GM was aggressively expanding production capability with new factories.
WHY are they using 60's equipment? Because Rick Wagoner likes flying planes? I don't think so.
06/02/09
But what I was talking about was this one particular set of factories that GM exclusively owns and operates. Oh and its not a grain of truth. But thanks for assuming I'm full of shit.
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The argument I've tended to support is a little more complex. I think that GM couldn't build better cars in part BECAUSE of unions. They became dependant on high-margin vehicles because their cost structure could not compete in low-margin small car markets. All those obligations baked production costs into GM vehicles that meant a Chevy Cobalt had to be constructed cheaply to be in the same price range as a Honda Civic. That will be an ongoing debate between unionists and corporatists for some time.
The more important question for me, though, is why the hell did we prop the thing up? Hasn't every environmentalist, futurist, etc. been telling us for decades that we need fewer cars, less roads, etc.? The jobs aren't even being saved!
06/02/09
And quality controls, what the imports did in terms of improving line manufacturing wasn't followed by the big 3. At all. The unions may have some small role to play in this, but management's failure to innovate, the insanely large over saturated dealer network, lack of compelling reliable cars led to their demise.
And yes. I know they've "improved." It's just that it takes time to win people over. If they were truly committed to turning the tide, they would do what Huyndai did when it started to improve quality.
06/02/09
Unions defined large portions of the cost structure, jets notwithstanding. I will re-state that cost structure was the basis of and/or major contributing element to a decision to focus on high-margin vehicles. That business decision was based on fact - the fact that low-margin small cars and family sedans were not competitive markets for companies laden with high, inflexible labor costs.
06/02/09
But the problem is actually that GM didn't focus on high-margin vehicles -- instead, they insisted on trying to stay in the low-margin, high-volume segments while building themselves upmarket at the same time.
As long as the company's number-one profit driver was finance, and thus they had two whacks at earning a profit on many vehicles, that strategy worked well enough. But once the GMAC golden goose stopped producing, their only hope was to hang on long enough to push big chunks of their production overseas (look at their aggressive moves into China).
Unfortunately gas prices spiked, people's buying habits changed, and they simply ran out of time.
I do suspect that GM could have survived even with its current cost structure if its operational decisions hadn't been so horrible. Jalopnik had a good post on that topic yesterday. But I think you've correctly diagnosed the symptom that killed the patient -- costs, leading to a lack of flexibility to adjust to a changed market -- while missing the cause: strategic confusion.