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    11/30/09

    In reply to 'Twitter' Is Word of Sexless Year
    I think Twitter is one of the four horsemen of the apocalypse, but I would have expected the verb form, "tweet," to be the so-called "top word." Isn't Twitter a brand name? At least Google has been turned into a verb. Aren't we celebrating the related human activity that Twitter promotes and not the actual thing? Unless they just think Twitter is the verb. Am I overthinking this? Can we spend the next 20 minutes conjugating?
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    11/30/09

    Can we spend the next 20 minutes conjugating?

    @mimigoliath: If we can do it in 140 characters or less.
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    11/29/09

    In reply to Mike Penner, Sports Columnist, 52
    I can't imagine how much pain he/she must have been in. Rest in peace, friend.
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    11/28/09

    In reply to Mike Penner, Sports Columnist, 52
    Does anyone remember the artist Greer Lankton? [en.wikipedia.org]

    Mike's death made me think of her again. She had a sex change at age 21. Greer later said she'd wished she'd been allowed to straddle the line a bit.
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    11/28/09

    In reply to Mike Penner, Sports Columnist, 52
    This is very sad. Rest in peace/

    Sigh. Becoming a woman practically overnight, that would be one of my worst nightmares. It took me a good ten years to be any good at it, and I'm one of the best, babies.

    No lectures on the transgen process, please, I'm well familiar with it.
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    11/28/09

    In reply to Mike Penner, Sports Columnist, 52
    Was she transgendered or transsexual? Also, her name was Christine, not Mike. Are these nit-picking points? Hell no. She fought long and hard for the right to her proper pronoun and if nothing else, it's a matter of respect.
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    11/28/09

    @ngonzogo: She reverted back to the Mike Penner byline later in her career. The pronoun has been adjusted, for news purposes, the proper noun (and byline) has been adjusted, with inclusion of her chosen name outside of her byline. No: these are by no means nit-picking points. It's an important discussion to have.
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    11/29/09

    @Foster Kamer: What does "the pronoun has been adjusted for news purposes" even mean? Mike Penner wanted to be known as Mike Penner when he died. He was living his life as a man. Nearly every news report I've read has respected that--except Gawker, where you describe "her apartment."
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    11/28/09

    In reply to Mike Penner, Sports Columnist, 52
    I just want to say I remember when Gawker first covered this story and that I find this news incredibly sad. Some of you may know that I have a lot of questions about transgenderism and I have at least one transgender acquaintance and even though I find it hard to understand I don't find it hard to accept the person. I agree with the commenter below: maybe one day we can all just accept each other for who we are and get along. I won't live to see that day but it is still a nice thought.
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    11/28/09

    @downlow: Don't be so sure; I was 100% sure that I would never live to see gay marriage or a black president in this country.
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    11/28/09

    In reply to Mike Penner, Sports Columnist, 52
    There is another transgender sports writer. [en.wikipedia.org]
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    Foster Kamer promoted this comment Edited by Jeangenie at 11/28/09 4:20 PM Jeangenie was starred Jeangenie was unstarred
    Image of Foster Kamer Foster Kamer
    11/28/09

    @Jeangenie: Wow. Duly noted. Correction forthcoming.
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    11/28/09

    In reply to Mike Penner, Sports Columnist, 52
    It seems she had difficulties that outpaced gender issues. She thought changing genders would help with that, but sadly, it did not. Docs should do intensive work with people who think undergoing a change will save their lives. I don't know if it will help all the time, but it might. RIP.
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    11/28/09

    @plasticene: If you listen to the NPR piece that is linked in this post, you will understand that the medical community has formal standards and tests for people who desire to transition as Ms. Daniels did. What they can't treat is the relentless undercurrent of doubt and anxiety that must have dogged this poor woman from the moment she realized her true gender, well past the time she was able to make a break from her false life as a man to a life that at least paid more than lip service to her true essence.

    Listening to that piece, you hear the most touching combination of relief, fear, sadness, hope, and, to my ear, exhaustion. One can't help but think that sense of weariness played a major role in the tragic outcome.

    May peace be finally yours, Ms. Daniels...
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    Image of MyrtleWilloughby MyrtleWilloughby
    11/28/09

    @plasticene: Suicide is a tragedy, and one hopes that people in great pain can find the care and support they need whatever their situation.

    I don't know enough to make blanket statements about gender reassignment but I don't think it's going out on a limb to say that many people in the US, in many different situations could benefit from greater access to mental health care. Just something to keep in mind as the political gears of health care reform are turning.
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    11/28/09

    @TheSometimesWhy: Well said.

    May Ms. Daniels find the peace she didn't find here.
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    11/28/09

    @MyrtleWilloughby: Beautifully put.
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    11/30/09

    @TheSometimesWhy: Probably nothing could be done, and that is so sad. I was just thinking that sometimes people think a change will save their lives. I believe their underlying problems do not simply disappear because individuals find their true identity. In a way, things might get more complicated because these probs (depression, loneliness, etc.) were supposed to go away, but did not. I feel for her and her family. I wish something could have been done.
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    11/30/09

    @plasticene: Sadly, I agree. You think about how well-entrenched 40-odd tears of dysfunction (living a lie as a man) can get, then to think that making an adjustment, albeit a major one, will solve the riddle your life has been is, I think, almost delusional. When I heard that Christine had reverted to being called Mike, my heart broke for this person. It sounded as if he/she felt like they were trying to catch up with the person they thought they were, and that person kept eluding them. If that last sentence sounded twisted, imagine living your life based on some version of what it portrayed.

    In that light, suicide almost seems a rational choice.

    Almost.
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    11/28/09

    In reply to Mike Penner, Sports Columnist, 52
    This is sad, but I wonder what the depression/suicide statistics are for people who undergo sex changes in general.
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    11/28/09

    @Han Valen:

    It would be interesting to know. No doubt some patients would be reluctant to be honest, knowing the conclusion others would draw.
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    11/28/09

    In reply to Mike Penner, Sports Columnist, 52
    I wonder what happened. In addition to the difficulty of being accepted in his field, I wonder if his age had anything to do with it. I've read accounts of middle-aged M-T-F transsexuals who said they weren't prepared for the lessened respect they received as women after having had successful lives as men.

    This is so sad.
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    11/28/09

    @Seeräuber Jenny: An excellent point. That says more about ageism and sexism than any GLBT bias, though, doesn't it?
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    Image of MissNormaDesmond MissNormaDesmond
    11/28/09

    @Lysergic Asset: Please let's not have a deck-chair-on-the-Titanic race. All of those things are intimately linked. Trying to rank them is a mug's game. The point is to try to do away with them, not argue amongst ourselves about who's the most oppressed.
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    11/28/09

    @MissNormaDesmond: Hat tip to you, miss.
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    11/28/09

    In reply to Mike Penner, Sports Columnist, 52
    God this is so very very sad. I followed this when it happened and was so amazed and impressed by his candour pre-op and hers, post. In the coming-out LAT article, he describes the struggle to figure out being transgendered: "We are born with this, we fight it as long as we can, and in the end it wins." That takes on such dark, sad new meaning here. RIP.
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    11/28/09

    In reply to Mike Penner, Sports Columnist, 52
    Sad story. I was always curious if reverting back to the name "Mike Penner" was a result of any regret over the transition.
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    11/28/09

    @Defeater: i don't know much about this story, but i'm confused by your comment...he made the transition and then reversed it? That sounds like a lot of trouble.
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    11/28/09

    @Helio: He transitioned to become a woman and took on the name Christine Daniels (Though perhaps not legally,) but in time went back to writing under the name Mike Penner. No idea if he actually "untransitioned."
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    11/29/09

    @Defeater: He never got to the point of having gender reassignment surgery, if that is what you mean. But "transitioning" is about much more than genitals. He definitely decided to live his life as a woman, then decided to go back to living as a man. That's pretty much all we know.
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    11/28/09

    In reply to Mike Penner, Sports Columnist, 52
    I hope his suicide is unrelated to his switching genders, but somehow, I doubt it, especially considering his profession.

    I hope that someday, humanity evolves enough (in the spiritual/emotional sense) that all people are free to be whomever they want to be, love whomever they desire, worship - or not worship - whomever they choose. It may never happen, but... I can imagine it.
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    11/28/09

    In reply to Mike Penner, Sports Columnist, 52
    How sad. I seem to remember he tried to change back at some point? What a difficult situation, regardless, and not one that is very supported in general.
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    11/28/09

    @ms_priestypants: The article I read said he resumed his old byline. Whether he tried to reassume a male identity is not clear.

    I found this:

    "Penner later took back his original name and resumed living life as a man a year later..."
    [www.sbnation.com]
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    11/28/09

    In reply to Mike Penner, Sports Columnist, 52
    Foster, you are obscene. At the very least you could respect Christine Daniels identity in death. She should be referred to by her chosen name and gender.

    Its respectful and its also standard in the APA style manual. So in addition to being repulsive, you're also craptastic writer.
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    11/28/09

    @NickelMD: In fairness to Foster, Daniels had reverted back to the "Mike Penner" byline. The status of the transition is unclear.
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    11/28/09

    @NickelMD: I had to decide which way to go. The LAT piece referred to her as Mike Penner. That was where it fell. Don't think I didn't consider this. I did. Also, #fuckoff. @RachelSklar: My sentiments exactly.
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    11/28/09

    @NickelMD: What is with your profession and the inane comments?

    [www.google.com]
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    Image of RandomLunatic RandomLunatic
    11/28/09

    @NickelMD: This is way too prickish to be anything but personal on your part.

    Foster is just about the ONLY Gawker editor who ever shows a modicum of restraint and respect when covering tragic news like this.
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    11/29/09

    @Foster Kamer: You referred to him as Mike Penner, but then referred to his apartment as "her apartment." I am not getting your thinking at all.
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    11/29/09

    @triplethreat: A name and a pronoun are different things. Her name can be Mike Penner. She reverted to her former byline, not her former gender.
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    11/30/09

    @Foster Kamer: You are wrong. He went back to living as a man.
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