@Coralvillain: Are you speaking geographically? When NYC has a larger population than all of those empty Western states combined and a population larger than many midwest states, it can't really be considered an outlier (especially when you add in the rest of the state's population).
@nozer: Statistically speaking, I think New York is probably an outlier on the following as a percentage of population: hipsters, unemployed people with journalism degrees, "artists" and people who think the world revolves around NY.
@Coralvillain: amen. provincial as sh-t around here. this coming from a local. and anyone who talks like that is really not worldly enough to be considered a New Yorker in the proud sense of the word, and is very unlikely to be a native.
@greengrey: Let's say we stop producing what we produce, say food, and NY stops producing what it produces, Broadway shows, dying magazines, "fashion", hipsters and trust fund kids who think they are special because they live in NY.
@greengrey: Well, the vast majority of your food sure as hell doesn't come from NY City and most of the New Yorkers I read about on Gawker are fairly stereotypical in one way or another so the generalization isn't much of a stretch. Your snark is poor. Try harder.
@Coralvillain: I can see where you'd be confused about all the media-types, what with this being a media blog. And I say this as someone who lived in Bettendorf for a good chunk of my life: Shhhhh, Iowa.
They may be all ginned up with outrage, but these are people who've been conditioned for generations to listen politely to literally anyone talking to them.
Well, they are next door neighbors to the Canadians. It's bound to have an effect on them.
@vampirebris: In all seriousness, can you please explain Michelle Bachmann to us? How in the world did she get elected? Do people in MN really see how crazy she is, or is she all set for re-election?
@pinkteapot: I think a nutjob like MB gets elected by coalescing factions (taxes. guns. abortion) who are each willing to overlook incompetence and insanity because of their single-issue politics. When combined with a conservative-leaning district like the 6th, you've got Michele Bachmann.
@pinkteapot: I went to college in Stearns County and I left before she got in, and I seriously cannot explain it. It's always been Republican, but Kennedy was nothing like her. There have to be enough crazies in St. Cloud, which is why they won't build the light rail out there after all
I think that the Minnesota State Fairgrounds are kind of a political Green Zone for the state. There is political crap all over and everyone is pretty decent and nice to each other about it. Years ago when Paul Wellstone was there a guy next to me told him "Your politics represent everything I hate, but you seem like real damn smart, nice guy." and Wellstone freaking hugged him.
@robotwaste: totally. this is one of the most rational, polite tacks I've seen any politician take. Of course it doesn't hurt that his audience is polite but yes, very well done, Senator Franken.
I think the main difference here--and this is a big one--is that Franken actually knows how to talk to real, non-politician people. It helps that the crowd is made up of people who, as Fox News brainwashed as they may be, can't in their heart of hearts shut down another legitimate Minnesotan in what's become the typical "town hell" fashion.
And I think another huge thing he does right here is he talks about Minnesota's progressive stance on healthcare, so he's pulling these people in on something they presumably benefit from already and, therefore, support.
But at the end of the day, Michelle Bachmann aside, Minnesota conservatives are some of the softest around. Its history with agriculture means that, yeah, you have a good many salt of the earth types--social conservatives, basically--wandering around, but they are also in line with working class politics, and are more inclined to eschew the social conservatism if it means liberal progress in other areas that more closely affect their lives.
@Banjo-Sea Kitten: I'd take a comedian for president any day. We've tried misogynists, murderers, the brain dead, cowboys, average joes...It's time for some comedy.
What the hell is this bull? There listening and talking about things calmly?!?! Pfftt.... stupid people. Oh, and Tea Bag shirt wearing lady's Mom is adorable. And clearly is just as confused as I am.
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And yes, NY only produces stereotypes.
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Because everyone who lives in the midwest is a farmer, and everyone who lives in New York is in entertainment, publishing, or a hanger-on.
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And I think another huge thing he does right here is he talks about Minnesota's progressive stance on healthcare, so he's pulling these people in on something they presumably benefit from already and, therefore, support.
But at the end of the day, Michelle Bachmann aside, Minnesota conservatives are some of the softest around. Its history with agriculture means that, yeah, you have a good many salt of the earth types--social conservatives, basically--wandering around, but they are also in line with working class politics, and are more inclined to eschew the social conservatism if it means liberal progress in other areas that more closely affect their lives.
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Or, for that matter, on any TV that makes money off of the things they show. Which is all of them. Gotta love that capitalism.