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    Image of LeeroySpitzer LeeroySpitzer
    08/22/09

    In reply to Science: Heroin Cures Heroin Addiction
    I did those obama bags, they were mediocre at best! As a former dopey dope currently on suboxone, I have to say, I've thought of this b4. Does that make me a scientist?
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    Image of Yossarian Threepwood Yossarian Threepwood
    08/20/09

    In reply to Science: Heroin Cures Heroin Addiction
    Someone just linked to this story over at Gizmodo and mentioned that the original is up here. Thought I'd come over and mention that this doesn't surprise me at all, as there isn't actually any proof that heroin is harmful in and of itself. Blackmarket heroin? that's a different story.

    Want some proof? Read this: (you can skip the slightly rambling introduction if you want): [www.badscience.net]

    And this (an article from the same reporter Goldacre mentions in his introduction above): [www.flatearthnews.net]

    That second article is pretty interesting stuff, the gist of which is that drug prohibition is quite clearly and demonstrably doing more harm than good, but you simply aren't allowed to talk about that in the media.
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    MissNormaDesmond promoted this comment Edited by Yossarian Threepwood at 08/20/09 6:30 PM Yossarian Threepwood was starred Yossarian Threepwood was unstarred
    Image of MissNormaDesmond MissNormaDesmond
    08/20/09

    @Yossarian Threepwood: Well, there's something to the argument that heroin's being extremely addictive is a problem; that second source is a little disingenuous, as it races past that point to get to the condemnation of the War on Drugs (about which it's entirely right). However, that doesn't function as sufficient justification for the amount of idiocy that's currently committed in the name of keeping it illegal. A thoroughgoing review of drug policy is long overdue.

    By the way, I actually liked the preface to the paper in the first source, and it's pretty on-topic for one of Gawker's major concerns (media critique).
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    Image of Poppymann Poppymann
    08/21/09

    @Yossarian Threepwood: I believe Mr. Threepwood is referring to the adulternats used in street heroin. Street heroin is usually less than 2% pure and the rest is Mannitol, lactose or worse it could be Fentanyl. Most heroin OD's are usually due to the high amount of adulterants rather than the potency of the heroin.
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    MissNormaDesmond promoted this comment Poppymann was starred Poppymann was unstarred
    Image of MissNormaDesmond MissNormaDesmond
    08/21/09

    @Poppymann: I understand what he's referring to. The fact remains that heroin, adulterated or not, is extremely addictive, and that that's a valid concern that invalidates the claim that it's not harmful in and of itself. I'm not saying that this justifies the ridiculousness of the way it's dealt with legally, but there needs to be less hyperbole and more accuracy from both sides of the debate.
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    Image of LeeroySpitzer LeeroySpitzer
    08/22/09

    @Poppymann: As a former Heroin addict, I can vouch for this. I've had friends almost die from bags with fentanyl in them, and I've had allergic reactions to other adulterants. Sniffing Lactose is a surefire way to fuck up your nose, or worse, your veins.
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    Image of gabrielsong gabrielsong
    08/20/09

    In reply to Science: Heroin Cures Heroin Addiction
    Just as I was tellin' Rahm E. the other day: "I wouldn't need money to pay the mortgage if you just gave me some man! I mean, the mortgage, man!!!" Free cash ends Poverty
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    Image of mwynn13 mwynn13
    08/20/09

    In reply to Science: Heroin Cures Heroin Addiction
    Most methadone programs exist to replace a heroin addiction with a methadone addiction, not get heroin addicts off of all drugs entirely. As a matter of fact, methadone detox programs actually increase the dose of methadone given to the patient over the course of the 'detox' so it is virtually impossible to detox from the methadone without serious withdrawal symptoms from that drug, practically ensuring the patient will opt to go on long term methadone maintenance. Long term methadone use is actually much harder on the body than heroin. Epic fail.
    A controlled heroin addiction with access to consistant quality of drug, education and treatment, and overall harm reduction is actually a big improvement to the methadone game.
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    twig promoted this comment mwynn13 was starred mwynn13 was unstarred
    Image of squeakel squeakel
    08/20/09

    @mwynn13:

    All true. They've been doing this for years any many European countries. It's not perfect, but it's better than we're doing.
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    MissNormaDesmond promoted this comment squeakel was starred squeakel was unstarred
    Image of Brad Brown Brad Brown
    08/20/09

    In reply to Science: Heroin Cures Heroin Addiction
    I am so high right now, I have no idea what's going on.
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    MissNormaDesmond promoted this comment Brad Brown was starred Brad Brown was unstarred
    Image of MissNormaDesmond MissNormaDesmond
    08/20/09

    @Brad Brown: A+
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    Image of TroisFilles TroisFilles
    08/20/09

    In reply to Science: Heroin Cures Heroin Addiction
    Wow, extreme homeopathy.
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    MissNormaDesmond promoted this comment TroisFilles was starred TroisFilles was unstarred
    Image of MissNormaDesmond MissNormaDesmond
    08/20/09

    @TroisFilles: Hearted.
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    Image of TroisFilles TroisFilles
    08/20/09

    @MissNormaDesmond: Thank you!
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    Image of MissNormaDesmond MissNormaDesmond
    08/20/09

    @TroisFilles: "Extreme homeopathy" is a brilliant concept that I will almost certainly be ripping off at some point in the very near future.
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    Image of TroisFilles TroisFilles
    08/20/09

    @MissNormaDesmond: It's my pleasure to enable you, Miss Desmond.
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    Image of slite slite
    08/20/09

    In reply to Science: Heroin Cures Heroin Addiction
    Ive got a fever...and there is only one thing to cure it.

    MORE COWBELL

    (same logic)
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    Image of MissNormaDesmond MissNormaDesmond
    08/20/09

    @slite: The fundamentals never change.
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    MissNormaDesmond promoted this comment MissNormaDesmond was starred MissNormaDesmond was unstarred
    Image of jasonelias jasonelias
    08/20/09

    In reply to Science: Heroin Cures Heroin Addiction
    The only thing that's going to cure heron is more, heron!
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    Image of BlueBeard BlueBeard
    08/20/09

    @jasonelias: you just aren't giving egret therapy a chance.
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    Image of MissNormaDesmond MissNormaDesmond
    08/20/09


    @jasonelias: I couldn't agree more!
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    MissNormaDesmond was starred MissNormaDesmond was unstarred
    Image of jasonelias jasonelias
    08/21/09

    @BlueBeard: Oh no, what's that? Heh heh.
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    Image of jasonelias jasonelias
    08/21/09

    @MissNormaDesmond: Gil Scott-Heron. Cool guy, an odd, odd story.
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    Image of MissNormaDesmond MissNormaDesmond
    08/21/09

    @jasonelias: Uh, did you not notice your own typo?
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    Image of scottthesot scottthesot
    08/20/09

    In reply to Science: Heroin Cures Heroin Addiction
    This is just like when I realized the only way to cure my gayness was with a steady diet of dick.
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    bytememehard promoted this comment scottthesot was starred scottthesot was unstarred
    Image of bytememehard bytememehard
    08/20/09

    @scottthesot: Cum cum now.
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    Image of TroisFilles TroisFilles
    08/20/09

    @scottthesot: I believe there's a cookbook for that.
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    MissNormaDesmond promoted this comment TroisFilles was starred TroisFilles was unstarred
    Image of kneetoe kneetoe
    08/20/09

    In reply to Science: Heroin Cures Heroin Addiction
    Suck to be part of this study and get the placebo.
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    Image of SanchaliLazork SanchaliLazork
    08/20/09

    In reply to Science: Heroin Cures Heroin Addiction
    that's heroin dumbass
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    Image of levari levari
    08/20/09

    @SanchaliLazork: no, no, i see his point. i tried storks, ibis, even loons when i was really in the gutter. heron's the only thing that really did it for me.
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    Smitros promoted this comment levari was starred levari was unstarred
    Image of Smitros Smitros
    08/21/09

    @levari:
    The crane, boss, the crane.

    Or pelican if you're feeling adventurous.
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    Image of Wannabeer Wannabeer
    08/20/09

    In reply to Science: Heroin Cures Heroin Addiction
    This is not surprising. In fact, I recall that there were studies 20-30 years ago indicating that most heroin adicts didn't die from the drug addiction, per se, but rather from getting bad stuff, using dirty needles, etc. Moreover, given access to heroin for 10 years or more, addicts actually "matured out" of the drug -- were just no longer addicted.

    Now, no one ruin my day by telling me that was all a farce.
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    Image of Unsolicited Advice Unsolicited Advice
    08/20/09

    In reply to Science: Heroin Cures Heroin Addiction
    Wow, just think, if we supplied free drugs to everyone the violence caused by the cost of drugs would cease! And endless supplies of land and energy would end war, morons.
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    Image of Alex Bogdan Halic Alex Bogdan Halic
    08/20/09

    In reply to Science: Heroin Cures Heroin Addiction
    in Switzerland they do this for YEARS! and it works
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    Alex Bogdan Halic was starred Alex Bogdan Halic was unstarred
    Image of pony_express pony_express
    08/20/09

    @Alex Bogdan Halic: Actually they have a high rate of HIV from dirty needles being shared.
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    MissNormaDesmond promoted this comment pony_express was starred pony_express was unstarred
    Image of MissNormaDesmond MissNormaDesmond
    08/20/09

    @pony_express: That would only function as an argument against their way of dealing with things if they have a higher rate than we do. I don't think that's the case, is it?
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    Image of pony_express pony_express
    08/23/09

    @MissNormaDesmond: I do not know the figures, I only saw a cable documentary on all these junkies who had pretty much overrun a major public park in Switzerland; it mentioned that Switzerland's users had a high rate of HIV. From the way the film skewed it, it was far from ideal set up. I think legalizing something like heroin would have to be supplemented by an extreme outreach program that got users to purchase a clean needle with each baggie, or got a $5 off coupon for returning used needles.
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    Image of MissNormaDesmond MissNormaDesmond
    08/20/09

    In reply to Science: Heroin Cures Heroin Addiction
    This is kind of Fox Newsy.
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    Image of nathanst nathanst
    08/20/09

    @MissNormaDesmond: I missed the part in which the post blamed liberals for the moral deterioration of America.

    Also the story lacks a cutaway shot to bikini girls.
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    Edited by nathanst at 08/20/09 1:26 PM nathanst was starred nathanst was unstarred
    Image of MissNormaDesmond MissNormaDesmond
    08/20/09

    @nathanst: Eh, anytime you're doing stuff like editing the story to the point of unrecognizability to make sure everyone sees it your way, you want to check yourself before you wreck yourself.
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