@Spirit Fingers: I'm right there with you. Vampires, werewolves, zombies, snakes, spiders, etc. are all fine and I love them - but clowns freak me out.
@Belabras: now with Kung Fu grip!: Couldn't get past the 2 minute mark. It's not so much that Pennywise scares me, it's that he's extremely . . . disturbing. It still ranks as one of the scariest books I've ever read.
I've always said it, and I always will say it. The name of their state is not pronounced Miz-sur-ree, it's pronounced Misery. And the people who live in Misery are Miserables. Les and otherwise.
@toweringinferno: I'm usually inclined to think option A, but seeing as I'm neither a sociologist, a psychologist or a criminologist that means about fuck-all.
"[If Bustamanate is convicted] of first-degree murder, it's still possible she will end up in the care of the state Division of Youth Services.
"That's because Missouri is one of 22 states to have what is called a 'dual jurisdiction' system. Under state law, if Bustamante was found guilty, a judge could consider keeping her under the care of the juvenile system — which is heavy on rehabilitation — until she is 21. At that point, another hearing would be held to determine if she was ready to be released, or sent to adult prison for the remainder of her sentence."
Basically, despite being charged as an adult, she could still only serve a minor's sentence.
People who are pro-rehabilitation can cite that "of the 46 juveniles who have completed the state's rehabilitation program as part of a dual jurisdiction sentence, only 10 have ended up going back to prison, said Heberle. That's nearly an 80 percent success rate, which is much higher than traditional corrections programs."
People on the opposing side can cite that of those 46 juveniles, only 5 have ever been girls, 1 of which has re-offended, and none were charged with first-degree murder, though the system has worked for boys of similar background.
Given her background, I think she's most likely to commit suicide before anyone has a chance to figure out what to do with her.
@Poop Cooper: Sounds something like Canada's system. That sure is an impressive success rate; there's only one program I've heard of here that approaches that rate for violent offenders, and it's restricted to Aboriginal participants.
@Poop Cooper: Yes, but of those 46 juveniles, how many were convicted of manslaughter vs. just being a douchebag arsonist/troublemaker? That makes a difference.
@raincoaster: Thank you. I was getting so annoyed in general with people acting as if this story was something new. I wish it was. It is not - not by a long shot.
@raincoaster: Actually, in the scheme of things, female juvenile murderer numbers are rather low when compared to male juvenile murderers. And I expect when the type of murder is taken into account (meaning premeditated, seemingly motive-less, and non-firearm-related), you could probably count the annual female offenders on two hands. The latest numbers I could find were from 2006: that year, about 7% of known juvenile murderers were female (88 out of 1253) ([ojjdp.ncjrs.org]).
Actually--I just found this website where you can search very specific crime-related terms. It appears that in 2006, 47 non-firearm-related murders were committed by females under the age of 17: [ojjdp.ncjrs.gov] That's compared to 305 committed by juvenile males. So about 13% of non-firearm-related (and, in my mind, far more personal and brutal) murders in 2006 were committed by juvenile females.
@mimilove: Thank you, yes. I know that (well, not the specific integers, but the trends, yes). What I'm trying to show is that this is such an unthinkable occurrence that, although it does occur with some regularity and predictability, the collective memory blocks it out.
Females, by the way, are far more likely to be poisoners. So think of that the next time you ask some pissed-off woman to make you a sandwich.
Azaria, people have been doing stuff like this with really interesting cases - like this one - for years now, including the crowd-sourcing part of it. The preserving of the "evidence" is nothing new, and it's ridiculously easy to do.
Neither is the level of psycho this kid shows. A Google search for ya - Sarah Kolb was at this game years ago:
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"[If Bustamanate is convicted] of first-degree murder, it's still possible she will end up in the care of the state Division of Youth Services.
"That's because Missouri is one of 22 states to have what is called a 'dual jurisdiction' system. Under state law, if Bustamante was found guilty, a judge could consider keeping her under the care of the juvenile system — which is heavy on rehabilitation — until she is 21. At that point, another hearing would be held to determine if she was ready to be released, or sent to adult prison for the remainder of her sentence."
Basically, despite being charged as an adult, she could still only serve a minor's sentence.
People who are pro-rehabilitation can cite that "of the 46 juveniles who have completed the state's rehabilitation program as part of a dual jurisdiction sentence, only 10 have ended up going back to prison, said Heberle. That's nearly an 80 percent success rate, which is much higher than traditional corrections programs."
People on the opposing side can cite that of those 46 juveniles, only 5 have ever been girls, 1 of which has re-offended, and none were charged with first-degree murder, though the system has worked for boys of similar background.
Given her background, I think she's most likely to commit suicide before anyone has a chance to figure out what to do with her.
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Oh. Wait. You were serious.
Poor thing, that train has since LONG left the station.
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[www.trutv.com]
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[www.cbc.ca]
This 15-year-old girl , charged with murdering a 78-year old man :
[network.nationalpost.com]
Or the Reena Virk swarming case:
[www.cbc.ca]
And that's just Canada, which had a total murder count of 594 in 2007.
It's not rare. It's just rare that there's one so well-documented.
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@raincoaster: Actually, in the scheme of things, female juvenile murderer numbers are rather low when compared to male juvenile murderers. And I expect when the type of murder is taken into account (meaning premeditated, seemingly motive-less, and non-firearm-related), you could probably count the annual female offenders on two hands. The latest numbers I could find were from 2006: that year, about 7% of known juvenile murderers were female (88 out of 1253) ([ojjdp.ncjrs.org]).
Actually--I just found this website where you can search very specific crime-related terms. It appears that in 2006, 47 non-firearm-related murders were committed by females under the age of 17: [ojjdp.ncjrs.gov] That's compared to 305 committed by juvenile males. So about 13% of non-firearm-related (and, in my mind, far more personal and brutal) murders in 2006 were committed by juvenile females.
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Females, by the way, are far more likely to be poisoners. So think of that the next time you ask some pissed-off woman to make you a sandwich.
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Neither is the level of psycho this kid shows. A Google search for ya - Sarah Kolb was at this game years ago:
[www.google.com]