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    Image of Shadowlayer Shadowlayer
    11/26/09

    In reply to Scam-Brokering CEO Dissed His 'Bullshit' Ethics Class
    Seems pincus here has sent a whole bunch of "friends" to spam the place...
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    Image of MissNormaDesmond MissNormaDesmond
    11/23/09

    In reply to Confessed Teen Killer's Social Networking Hobbies: 'Killing People'
    If I see one more pompous asshole say idiotic things about psychiatric disorders they know nothing about I think I'm going to commit a thrill killing.
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    11/20/09

    In reply to Confessed Teen Killer's Social Networking Hobbies: 'Killing People'
    @Random_Lunatic:

    Cutting is not indicative of borderline personality disorder. In fact, it is not required to be diagnosed with BPD. BPD presents differently in every individual and cannot be diagnosed under the age of 18 unless the behaviour (this means meeting at least five out of the nine diagnostic criteria) has persisted for more than a year.

    Many people who suffer from depression engage in self-injurious behaviour and do not meet the requirements for BPD. I suggest, before you make such comments which only contribute to the stigma of the disorder - making it harder for those who suffer from it to get proper treatment - you educate yourself.
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    11/20/09

    In reply to Confessed Teen Killer's Social Networking Hobbies: 'Killing People'
    [www.truecrimereport.com]

    "Update: Following a two-day search, Elizabeth's body has been found. Police have a juvenile person of interest in custody have haven't released his name. All they'll say is that he knew Elizabeth, lived not far away, and was older than the girl. "

    "His"/"he" .. so sexist and judgmental, the press! :p
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    11/20/09

    @lobstr: Don't tell Jezebel.
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    Image of SexcessToxins SexcessToxins
    11/20/09

    In reply to Confessed Teen Killer's Social Networking Hobbies: 'Killing People'
    I am at a loss for words. It might be best to express it through song.
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    Image of Alaska Miller Alaska Miller
    11/20/09

    In reply to Confessed Teen Killer's Social Networking Hobbies: 'Killing People'
    Things just happen in Misery, United States
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    Image of PontiusPirate PontiusPirate
    11/20/09

    In reply to Confessed Teen Killer's Social Networking Hobbies: 'Killing People'
    Anytime I see a story like this, I think of the song "Westfall" -

    "Now, with all these cameras focused on my face,
    you'd think they could see it through my skin.
    They're looking for evil, thinking they can trace it,
    but evil don’t look like anything."
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    Image of autoclavicle autoclavicle
    11/20/09

    In reply to Confessed Teen Killer's Social Networking Hobbies: 'Killing People'
    Let's take a step back for a second. I feel old as hell because people who were born in 1994 are killing other people now! (And I was only born in the 80s.)
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    Image of BEERxTaco BEERxTaco
    11/20/09

    @autoclavicle: I am proud to say I was born in the 50s. When all the cool people were born.
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    Image of merc6point9 merc6point9
    11/20/09

    @BEERxTaco: 70s represent!
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    Image of ms_priestypants ms_priestypants
    11/20/09

    @merc6point9: late 70s/cusp of the 80s!
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    Image of SybilDisobedience SybilDisobedience
    11/20/09

    @ms_priestypants: 1981 WHUUUUT
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    Image of eatsshootsleaves eatsshootsleaves
    11/20/09

    In reply to Confessed Teen Killer's Social Networking Hobbies: 'Killing People'
    I don't think that believing she should be tried as a juvenile is an "excuse" for her actions, which are obviously evil. And she might be irredeemably evil, too.

    But has anyone ever seen the movie Heavenly Creatures or know the true story it's based on? In it, two young teenagers kill one of their mothers. Now, one of those girls is a successful and seemingly normal crime novelist. Another is a nun.

    This story makes me sick, but it's impossible to know if this girl could be rehabilitated. She might be a psychopath for the rest of her life. Or she might change.
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    11/20/09

    @eatsshootsleaves: And the mother is still dead.

    Sorry, but prison is not just for rehabilitation. It is also for punishment.
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    Image of harvey_birdman harvey_birdman
    11/20/09

    @OMG! Ponies!: Children should not be punished, they should be given every effort to rehabilitate.
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    11/20/09

    @harvey_birdman: First, your proposition assumes that children are children and adults are adults and never the 'twain shall meet. A 16 year-old is far more capable of moral responsibility than a 6 year-old. To treat them the same is quite literally paternalistic.

    Second, children are regularly punished. It is part of child-rearing. Misbehavior is met with punishment; this is how social mores are developed.

    Third, the punishment should fit the crime. While I don't believe that a 16 year-old should serve 15 years for selling crack cocaine (partially because I feel that drug sentences in general are overly harsh), for the crime of matricide - the killing of one's on mother - through bludgeoning someone to death with a rock, the person who commits such a heinous crime should be punished, even if she is 27 months younger than the age of majority.

    The legal age of majority is an arbitrary number, evidenced by the fact that 16 is old enough to be entrusted to drive a 2,000 lb. vehicle, 18 is old enough to be conscripted into military service and used to be old enough to smoke and drink, yet, until a quarter century ago, suffrage belonged to those at least 21 years of age. Now, 18 is old enough to vote but you need to be 21 to drink or smoke.

    Before you can make an assertion like yours, you must first answer "Who is a child? Are a children equal children? Should any child ever be punished?"

    #tips
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    Image of RandomLunatic RandomLunatic
    11/20/09

    In reply to Confessed Teen Killer's Social Networking Hobbies: 'Killing People'
    This girl is a borderline (self-harm), possibly even a psychopath (allegedly killing for the heck of it). The depression she's experienced has probably come from having no true inner emotional life. Both borderlines (who can sometimes be helped) and psychopaths (who can't) experience depression. For one it is often due to unstable relationships and a sense of self, for the other it can be due to their inability to ever really connect to another person, because they have no empathy.

    This also reminds me why I no longer want to write about this stuff after 5 years of doing it professionally. After a while, teen killers - hell, killers in general - all seem to fit the same templates. And yes, it's incredibly depressing.

    It's a good thing they are trying her as an adult. The only good place for this kid, sadly, is probably jail. And unless the depression overtakes her and she succeeds at suicide, she'll continue to run game on the people around her in there, too.
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    Image of Miss_Teacher Miss_Teacher
    11/20/09

    @RandomLunatic: Agreed. I know that certain things aren't generally diagnosed in children because they aren't fully developed yet but once in a while there are some evil ones... This little girl may be one of them. Her and Patrick Bateman from "American Psycho". There really may not be a way to rehabilitate her and she'll probably continue to hurt herself and others.
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    11/20/09

    @Miss_Teacher: (Spoiler alert: Please do not read this comment if you have not yet read American Psycho or watched the film version.)

    You realize that the fictional character Patrick Bateman was a serial killer only in his own mind, don't you? He never actually comits any of the murders--they're just deranged fantasies.

    Although his motives parallel those of this all-too-real teen killer: For Bateman, too, the fantasy of killing people was the only way he could summon any sort of passion, ie, "feel something." That's how I always interpreted the book, anyway.
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    Image of Miss_Teacher Miss_Teacher
    11/20/09

    @snugbug: I know he's fictional and that his behavior was fanatsy. Just making a point about the similarities in the 2 personalities... and the fact that while he may be fake there are in fact real people (some children) that definitely act out the same way.
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    Image of mcelmmp mcelmmp
    11/20/09

    In reply to Confessed Teen Killer's Social Networking Hobbies: 'Killing People'
    She flat out strangled, stabbed and cut the throat of a 9 year old girl to "see what it felt like". That's her words. She showed police where she buried the remains.... and their is indication that the remains were spread between two holes she dug (but the police won't share that detail). This is plain and simple EVIL. Not a child whose parents failed and not some "chemical imbalance". She knew exactly what she was doing. Quit providing excuses for her.
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    Image of BettyCrocker BettyCrocker
    11/20/09

    @mcelmmp: Agreed, every word. And there are no pinwheels in prison.
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    Image of dbspin dbspin
    11/20/09

    @mcelmmp: No offence, but you're comment has no intellectual validity. Define evil in this context. Is it the judeo-christian concept of a Satan derived invisible force? In that case it's clearly specious. Removed from that reference point, the idea itself is simply meaningless, a short hand rejection of things we are too afraid to contemplate.

    As other commenters have noted, Bustamante's statements are highly reminiscent of the classic psychopath, whose neurologically derived resistance to conditioning results in an inability to empathise, which can be channelled by abuse or lack of supervision into violence or homicide. That's not an excuse, it's an explanation.
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    11/20/09

    @dbspin: It's especially not an excuse since there is no treatment for psychopathy... yet. It's one of the defining characteristics of the disorder. The end result is the same whether they are "evil" or psychopathic: prison/death sentence depending on the state and the judge. Except Psychopaths are usually very charming and excellent liars, so they often get parolled...
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    Image of pollyannacowgirl pollyannacowgirl
    11/20/09

    In reply to Confessed Teen Killer's Social Networking Hobbies: 'Killing People'
    I'm sure there were people who saw this coming. But their hands were tied.

    There was a family on Dr. Phil (I know, I know) the other day. The little boy was OBVIOUSLY a sociopath. He tortured and killed small animals, pushed his mother down stairs, etc. He'd been in and out of mental health treatment.

    But what can society do about people like this kid? We can't throw them in jail because we know they will inevitably hurt someone. We have to wait for it to happen and punish them after the fact.

    Honestly, if it were up to me, I'd put these little freaks on an island and let them duke it out amongst themselves.
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    11/20/09

    @pollyannacowgirl: Dr. Phil also offered up as one of his recommendations institutionalization. This child is a master manipulator at 10 years of age. Also, why did his mother buy him more animals to torture after he killed the first one? She seemed a bit complicit to me.
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    Image of Z und Vielpunkt's chick Z und Vielpunkt's chick
    11/20/09

    In reply to Confessed Teen Killer's Social Networking Hobbies: 'Killing People'
    Maybe I'm overly influenced by all of the false confession literature I've read, but something seems fishy about this story. The AP story makes a point to show that the police have withheld all corroborating evidence besides this online profile. Assuming there is little or no corroborating evidence, the story about digging the graves seems exactly like the kind of fantastical confessions innocent people can be influenced into giving. I wish there were a way to read the indictment to find out more.
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    Image of Han Valen Han Valen
    11/20/09

    @Z und Vielpunkt's chick: Right, because cops love to pin child murders on teen girls. Wake up.
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    11/20/09

    @Han Valen: You'd be surprised.

    @KentuckyBabe: Ah, I glossed over that paragraph. That's the kind of corroborating evidence I was talking about.

    I went to an Innocence Project function this weekend, and obviously I'm still in the mood.
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    Image of hatey hatey
    11/20/09

    In reply to Confessed Teen Killer's Social Networking Hobbies: 'Killing People'
    Dailene, eh?

    My good southern mama will argue that a middle name is how you can separate the serial killers from the rest of us; she advised me to never go out with anyone whose middle name was Dean, Dale, or Wayne.

    Dailene. Girl never had a chance.
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    11/20/09

    @hatey: Earl and Ray aren't promising either.
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    Image of raincoaster raincoaster
    11/20/09

    In reply to Confessed Teen Killer's Social Networking Hobbies: 'Killing People'
    [en.wikipedia.org]
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