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snugbug
07/21/09

In reply to Neda's Killer Identified
Heavy, man. I'm very conflicted about this revelation, especially since I can't tell if Abbas Kargar Javid, alleged killer of Neda, was a government militia sniper bound to do his job, as it were, or someone who gleefully decided to shoot the demonstrators of his own will. That makes a big difference.

Can't read Farsi, I guess the Iranian blogosphere knows more about this than us at the moment.
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Claire Buoyant
07/21/09

@snugbug: FWIW, here's the Google-translated version of the page. I don't see any indication of whom the killer worked for or what his motive was.
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Aaron Altman
07/21/09

@Claire Buoyant: It's been reported previously that a crowd of people who witnessed the shooting - including Hezaji - held the Basij assassin after the shooting and confiscated his ID card. I'm surprised it's taken this long for a photo of it to surface: given how things are in Iran, perhaps I shouldn't be.
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Aaron Altman
07/21/09

@Claire Buoyant: The killer is alleged to have said "I didn't want to kill her!" when he was taken by the crowd.
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Mediahohoho
06/25/09

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Iranians need to monkey wrench this situation something fierce. In an overwhelming force deal like this the most they can hope for is to let themselves be beaten and killed in huge numbers until even the Republican guard gets tired of killing its own.
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The Real JR
06/25/09

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Rachel Maddow has really been on top of this whole thing from the beginning. This and the Don't Ask Don't Tell fuckery. I love her.
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Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate
06/25/09

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I know the chances are slim-to-none, and the coverage we see is pretty selective but I can't help but hope that the current regime's heavy-handed actions will swing some more Iranian support over to those in need.

What effort is being made to get the truth out to the rural Iranians who don't have Blackberries and such, the majority of the population (from what I read here yesterday)? There's other technology besides the new stuff.
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Novaload
06/25/09

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The Iranians need better weapons than just their own unarmed bodies to take out the tyrant and his henchmen.
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lakk
06/25/09

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Did it ever come out how old Neda was? Just curious.
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The Cajun Boy
06/25/09

@lakk: I've heard everything from 16 to 27.
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Senator Sully
06/25/09

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Was Neda a Christian? She appears to be wearing a cross around her neck in that photograph. Not that it ultimately matters, but it caught my eye.
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The Cajun Boy
06/25/09

@Senator Sully: You know, I've seen that photo all over the place but never noticed that. Interesting.
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Brian Fowler
06/25/09

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I cannot believe this; not eve Glenn Beck would be so stupid (oh, never mind). It's like the regime WANTS to go down in flames.

At least this assuages my fear this whole thing would die down.
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Mount_Prion
06/25/09

@Brian Fowler: I was more afraid it would be beaten down. Didn't expect it'd just fade.
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daveyjonesisdead
06/23/09

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But no tit shots?
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johnny_carsick
06/23/09

@daveyjonesisdead: you're lucky i can't slap the shit out of you right now.
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xxoo
06/23/09

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If she weren't attractive, we wouldn't be reading a damn word about her. And no one would give a shit.
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allyzay
06/23/09

@xxoo: what is your point? if this is what it takes to get mainstream westerners to realize that iranians are not all "scary" "radical" "terrorists" so be it.
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If_I_Had_a_Poodle
06/23/09

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also, cajun boy: xxxxooxoxoxoxoxooooxxx
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gawkimo
06/23/09

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So now that we have a face, can we now realize how insidious it was for McCain to makes that "Bomb Bomb Iran" joke? Because I'm pretty sure our "drop and forget" Joint Tactical Attack Munitions end up killing people like this, which apparently is OK as long as we consider it collateral damage in our "noble" efforts to make the Middle East a Western-style democracy (LOL!).
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Mediahohoho
06/23/09

@gawkimo: Good point. When they kill her she's "the face of a revolution." When we kill her she's "collateral damage." What a world.
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johnny_carsick
06/23/09

@Mediahohoho: "Political language . . . is designed to make lies sound truthful and murder respectable, and give an appearance of solidity to pure wind." - George Orwell.
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MadamButterfloozy
06/23/09

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Has anybody stopped to think about the morality of plastering the footage of this dying young woman all over the internet? It doesn't matter if the father asked to have it loaded to YouTube - he may not be in his right mind just at the moment. Have we become such a mindless voyueristic society that this is just like a more REAL version of reality TV?

If it was really about putting a 'face to the tragedy', wouldn't a picture suffice?

And no I have not watched the video.
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pufflehuff
06/23/09

@MadamButterfloozy: This is about outing the actions of an oppressive regime, which will not let its country's state-controlled media report this death. Silence is the oxygen of dictatorships.

It's a bit like Tiananmen Square. Remember that? 20 years ago this month? Young Chinese people of mine and Neda's age don't. They've never heard of it. The Chinese government has pulled off a fantastic whitewash there.

The vast majority of Iranian people don't know how easily their government's henchmen will pull a trigger on a civilian protesting against this ridiculously rigged election. The Iranian government also denied Neda's family her body until they agreed to not hold an Islamic funeral, to keep all this quiet, and they won't allow a memorial service for her. They want to brush this murder, and all the others, under the carpet. That is why this video, this story, needs to be out there.

You don't need to watch anything you don't want to.

In case you do feel the need to look at what's behind this story though, some links:

[en.wikipedia.org])

[www.guardian.co.uk]

[www.guardian.co.uk]
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pufflehuff
06/23/09

@MadamButterfloozy: Actually, this is the most useful link: [www.timesonline.co.uk]
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BookishLookish
06/23/09

@MadamButterfloozy: I'm afraid your delicate sensibilities must be offended in the face of truth. I am proud of her brave father, who sacrificed his daughter's modesty (a huge component in the Muslim world) so that we can know what is happening to his country.

I wish the Internet had been around when my family was being oppressed and slaughtered in Europe in the early 1940s.
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Poop Cooper
06/23/09

@MadamButterfloozy: I have not seen the video, but know myself and human nature enough to know that I cannot comprehend 1000 deaths. I cannot comprehend even 500 deaths. These are just numbers.

But I can comprehend 1 death.

I can multiply the horror of what 1 death is like and imagining that happening over and over again to 500 people. I can then realize the gravity of the situation.

This video is to help us better understand the plight of the Iranians. And as BookishLookish put it, "your delicate sensibilities must be offended in the face of truth".
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pinkthing
06/23/09

@TruPhan: Right?! It amazes me how many people are not all that offended that an innocent woman was shot in the heart, but they somehow think the big offense is that the world got to see it. Good lord - if a death has to be so senseless for the person dying, you'd think the best anyone could hope for was that it would serve some greater good.

As many have mentioned here, many other people have died in the name of various causes. All are horrible. At least this woman's death, once it happened, has severed to mobilize others.

If you are going to die anyway, which is really worse - dying alone, and unnoticed, or dying in a way that may help the lives of others?

Where is the "immorality" in sending a message to the world that this kind of senseless death is what is happening right now, even as we bicker over the meaning of it online?
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Calraigh
06/23/09

@pinkthing: Really well said.
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Steverino Begins
06/23/09

In reply to Details Emerge About Neda, the Face of the Iranian Revolution
Well, yes, you could argue that she's only becoming the "face of the Iranian Revolution" because she's gorgeous--but I'm glad there at least IS a face now, a specific name. It always bothered me that during that "Operation Iraqi Freedom" bullshit we were pretending to have their people foremost in our mission, and yet not a single civilian name emerged from the news coverage. Not one. We were all talking about Jessica Lynch and Pat Tillman--partially fabricated examples of US troops saving each other and killing each other. It was as if the Iraqi citizens weren't part of the story at all.
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Trixie from Toronto
06/22/09

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Wasn't she in her 20s? Is that a "young girl?" Would a guy in his 20s be a "young boy?"

I am confused.
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