These so-called "filthy-rich over paid NASA Nerds" as Andrew Belonsky proclaims them to be are being given more credit for their salaries that in reality would be considered "below the line" in Hollywood production parlance.
The average starting salary for a freshly-minted, college degreed civil servant (GS-9/GS-11) in the space agency probably makes in take home pay about $48,000 a year -- give or take a few grand -- the same cost as a year's worth of MIT education.
The biggest fact the average American taxpayer conveniently overlooks is their out of pocket expense of about $60 a year ($5.00 a month, $1.25 a week or $0.18 cents a day out of an average $4,000-$8,000 paid in taxes every April 15) funds NASA's $18 billion a year budget. That's considerably less than what is spent on a couple of date nights at the local Bijou in this era of $10 ticket prices for the latest Hollywood fare.
BTW -- Not to get too technical, or minimize the learning efforts of these MIT students, but 17 miles is *not* Space. The minimally accepted definition is anything above 50 miles. At any rate, the folks at JP Aerospace in Rancho Cordova (Sacramento) -- a volunteer-based organization -- have been doing these types of efforts for years above the 20 mile mark. See www.jpaerospace.com
@Crazytree: Actually they spent quite a bit more money: "If we count the balloon itself, plus the helium, antennas, sensors and so on, we spent about €1000 ($1357)."
The article you linked to only talks about the cost of the balloon and the camera - it leaves out the cost of all the other components. The MIT group's cost includes everything they used.
Technologically, neither of these groups did anything all that amazing, but the interesting thing about the MIT students indeed was how little they spent using off-the-shelf materials.
"I would like to reiterate that high-altitude balloon photography has been around for a LONG time. (decades, probably) What is special about what we’ve done is our low budget and ease of assembly/creation."
Yes, let's all piss on NASA because all they do is levitate mice and study crystals. They've never done anything for us regular joes. It isn't like the space program has led to any technological advances or innovations. What a GIANT waste of money.
Oh, by the way, there is a bit of a difference between photos from, say, Hubble and photos from, say, a shitty little cell phone camera. Minor details, I know.
Mr. Belonsky, you might have built this up a little too much. Sort of cool, in a do-it-yourself way, but come on - NASA stuff is at least 62,500 (3 billion/48,000) times cooler.
Because as everyone knows, tying a camera to a balloon is just as difficult as putting a man on the moon. And, from some editor's perspective at least, just as rewarding.
@icelight: Except that was decades ago, and since then we haven't done much with our man-space flights in comparison to our much cheaper satellite and probe flights.
Cant live on the moon missions forever. Our scientific calculators have more power than the entire Apollo spacecraft, yet we continue to make no strides to actually go BACK to the moon.
Granted if we spend 1/8th the defense budget on NASA, they might have enough money to actually do things, but some of that has a lot to do with horrible managerial mismanagement and overspending on administrative positions.
@Rybanis: There are many people who don't believe that manned space missions are worth the cost, in money and lives, including several prominent scientists. It's really freaking cool, but do you honestly think the moon landing provided economic returns?
@Rhymenocerous: Yes. A CBO study of the technology transfer from NASA determined that for every dollar we spend, we get between 3 and 4 dollars back, depending on how you apportion profits. I'd say a 200%-300% return on investment isn't too shabby.
@icelight: Unused Lunar Module no. 13 was restored by the Cradle of Aviation Museum and the LM-13 spacecraft manager, and placed in a life-sized diorama at CoAM on Long Island, near the former Grumman factory. The exhibit sits in a darkened room separate from the rest of CoAM. I felt tears well up when I first entered that space, and contemplated the scene and all of its implications of beauty and danger and manifest destiny. It was every bit as stirring as (if not more than) any recovered ancient canoe or Viking longboat or 17th century sailing ship that I've seen.
I do not apologize for this, nor for others' lack of understanding and vision.
the last 20 seconds remind me of the video to Enter Sandman... but, I'd like to know what kind of styrofoam box can withstand the impact from a 17 fucking mile free-fall? Oh, MIT.
Seriously, she's too young. Both Eartha Kitt and Julie Newmar were a bit, um, cougarish by the time they were Catwoman. To be Catwoman is much more about intangibles than looks.
The thing about Sean Young is all well and good, but one of the other headlines on that page is "Nessie on Google Earth" and personally, I think that's a much bigger story.
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The average starting salary for a freshly-minted, college degreed civil servant (GS-9/GS-11) in the space agency probably makes in take home pay about $48,000 a year -- give or take a few grand -- the same cost as a year's worth of MIT education.
The biggest fact the average American taxpayer conveniently overlooks is their out of pocket expense of about $60 a year ($5.00 a month, $1.25 a week or $0.18 cents a day out of an average $4,000-$8,000 paid in taxes every April 15) funds NASA's $18 billion a year budget. That's considerably less than what is spent on a couple of date nights at the local Bijou in this era of $10 ticket prices for the latest Hollywood fare.
BTW -- Not to get too technical, or minimize the learning efforts of these MIT students, but 17 miles is *not* Space. The minimally accepted definition is anything above 50 miles. At any rate, the folks at JP Aerospace in Rancho Cordova (Sacramento) -- a volunteer-based organization -- have been doing these types of efforts for years above the 20 mile mark. See www.jpaerospace.com
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oh, and they did it for half as much money.
[www.telegraph.co.uk]
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[www.newscientist.com]
The article you linked to only talks about the cost of the balloon and the camera - it leaves out the cost of all the other components. The MIT group's cost includes everything they used.
Technologically, neither of these groups did anything all that amazing, but the interesting thing about the MIT students indeed was how little they spent using off-the-shelf materials.
09/22/09
"I would like to reiterate that high-altitude balloon photography has been around for a LONG time. (decades, probably) What is special about what we’ve done is our low budget and ease of assembly/creation."
[space.1337arts.com]
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Oh, by the way, there is a bit of a difference between photos from, say, Hubble and photos from, say, a shitty little cell phone camera. Minor details, I know.
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Cant live on the moon missions forever. Our scientific calculators have more power than the entire Apollo spacecraft, yet we continue to make no strides to actually go BACK to the moon.
Granted if we spend 1/8th the defense budget on NASA, they might have enough money to actually do things, but some of that has a lot to do with horrible managerial mismanagement and overspending on administrative positions.
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Pareene decides the 40th anniversary of the moon landing would be a great time to mock NASA:
[gawker.com]
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I do not apologize for this, nor for others' lack of understanding and vision.
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[space.1337arts.com]
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Seriously, she's too young. Both Eartha Kitt and Julie Newmar were a bit, um, cougarish by the time they were Catwoman. To be Catwoman is much more about intangibles than looks.
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BTW) It also works on Google Maps
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