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    10/28/09

    In reply to Carr vs. Wolff in Superfluous Semantic Smackdown!
    The last time Michael Wolff was in touch with anything contemporary was when he was boffing that junior writer. #arguments
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    10/28/09

    In reply to Carr vs. Wolff in Superfluous Semantic Smackdown!
    Shoot, I think the SF Chron has a great business plan! Fabulous. They set records the last six months for over a quarter drop in circulation, but they raised the price of the paper 33% on the street, so they claim to be swimming in cash. Eventually there will be one old rich diehard on Nob Hill paying $25K per diem for one each and the only autographed copy of the paper that was the Chronicle. #arguments
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    10/28/09

    In reply to Carr vs. Wolff in Superfluous Semantic Smackdown!
    I thought the headline read "Superfluous Semitic Smackdown." Which would have been a different kind of battle entirely. #arguments
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    10/28/09

    In reply to Carr vs. Wolff in Superfluous Semantic Smackdown!
    Did Wolff bring his little chippie? #arguments
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    10/28/09

    In reply to Carr vs. Wolff in Superfluous Semantic Smackdown!
    Michael Wolff needs to get got more often. Carr's a rock star and the only thing he's missing for the gig are Michael Wolff's Steven Tyler-esque lips. A cockwaffle if there ever was one. #arguments
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    08/01/09

    In reply to The Mainstream Media Sleeps In On (LaGuardia Airport Bomb Threat) Weekends
    Drunk guy with power strip in a duffel bag creates nationwide delays in air traffic system and will likely go to jail for 20 years. Overreaction, anyone?
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    08/01/09

    In reply to The Mainstream Media Sleeps In On (LaGuardia Airport Bomb Threat) Weekends
    I'm not ready to lionize Van Poppel or Breaking News. BNO's error rate and tendency to overblow non-stories is old news to a lot of people who have been on Twitter for a while.
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    08/01/09

    In reply to The Mainstream Media Sleeps In On (LaGuardia Airport Bomb Threat) Weekends
    Twitter beats media on boring non-story. Got it.
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    08/01/09

    In reply to The Mainstream Media Sleeps In On (LaGuardia Airport Bomb Threat) Weekends
    We are losing the battle on it's/its. I have seen this error in the New York Times more "times" than I can count. It's (Its?) also all over the CBS Web site in incorrect form.

    One day -- maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, but one day -- you or your children or your children's children are going to write "its" to form a possessive and it will be "corrected" with an apostrophe by some idiotic teacher or co-worker.

    And. He. Will. Be. Right.
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    08/01/09

    @Must B. Nice: Once upon a time I made this distinction without even thinking, but after seeing it so often I now get confused and have to pause to remind myself which is which.
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    08/01/09

    @Must B. Nice: it's/its will be followed by lose/loose and definately.

    teh interwebs. makin us stoopit
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    08/01/09

    @Must B. Nice: The confusion is not unfounded. The possessive (i.e., genitive) case in English is often indicated by an apostrophe followed by s: one's, Peter's, the lady's. Why? Because in older forms of English (as in German) the genitive case was indicated by the suffix -es. When the -e- in these forms became elided, spelling conventions called for an apostrophe to indicate the missing e.

    What of "its"? The original form ites became the elided its long before the spelling convention of the apostrophe. In consequence, it is "irregular" in so far as the genitive qua possessive normally has 's as a case ending.

    In other words, had the elision of ites not become so common before the spelling convention of the apostrophe, the possessive of "it" and the contraction "it is" would be identical: it's and it's. Context would determine whether "it's" meant "of or belonging to it" or "it is." In fact, this is what happens cognitively when one correctly interprets the "mistake" "it's" for "its": the context determines the meaning (as with "who" for "whom"), and there is no problem of comprehension--yet the hyperliterate call out "mistake."

    So there is nothing "stupid" about wanting "it's" for "its." Rather, the "mistake" would seem to show the natural human instinct to create formal regularity in language, even--or especially--against irregular conventions. (After all, they sound the same in spoken language.) When we the educated and the literate resist these changes, we may be correct in calling them "mistakes"; however, we should also be honest with ourselves about why we want to correct others and retain control over the language as we customarily use it.

    To correct the language of others is to attempt to exercise power over them through the medium of language. The social and symbolic capital of literacy and higher education may not always buy you much, but they aren't worthless. (Consider the relative linguistic wealth of President Obama as opposed to, say, Sarah Palin.) I like to be right in language as in all things; however, I realize that my wanting to be right is, just a little bit, about dominating others. It's not cute, but that's how humans are, and that's what I am.
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    08/01/09

    @iplaudius: I think that's giving the confused a bit too much credit.

    My bet is that with the propagation of e-mail, IM, text, and general Interwebbery, people have come to distinguish between formal writing and informal writing. When 95% of people omit apostrophes in 95% of their informal writing (cant you see, dont go there), there is an instinct to use an apostrophe in its in any writing they consider "formal."
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    08/01/09

    @Must B. Nice: The it's/its confusion actually predates what you're describing -- that is, what Walter J. Ong termed secondary orality. There was a good article on this subject in the New Yorker (Caleb Crain, "Twilight of the Books," Dec. 24, 2007). For one take on the human instinct to expect structure and patterns in language, see, e.g., Steven Pinker, The Language Instinct.
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