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    Image of naugahydeinplainsight naugahydeinplainsight
    12/11/09

    Shakeup at Newsday (does anyone around here care?):
    John Mancini out as editor after five years, and onetime Daily News chief and current Newsday ME/internet mistress of the dark Debby Krenek takes over.
    If the fantastic job she's done with Newsday's new web site is any indication, chalk this up as another shrewd management move by the Dolans and Cablevision. [www.editorandpublisher.com]

    #tips #newsday #cablevision [gawker.com]
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    Edited by naugahydeinplainsight at 12/11/09 7:17 PM naugahydeinplainsight was starred naugahydeinplainsight was unstarred
    Image of brennanmceachran brennanmceachran
    11/02/09

    In reply to The Great Newspaper Firewall Is Coming. And?
    It'd be nice to see a online news paper really shake things up and not run itself like every other news blog. I mean, the hard truth is that the news will be online for free... So if the big guys hide behind pay-walls a large majority of surfers will be thrown to different websites. New big guys will pop up and become huge, if they can find a way of making money with online news. Be warned, there will be news pirates, aswell...

    But I mean why does the NYT have to run like a standard site? Radically change it up, maybe more like fastflip, maybe not. But something unique, with extremely relevant ads. It could work
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    11/03/09

    @brennanmceachran: I know a fellow trying this at Vancouverite.com but of course like everyone else, he's struggling with the model. He's the best investigative reporter on the west coast, though, so he DOES have an advantage. #newspapers
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    Image of Tremonius Tremonius
    11/02/09

    In reply to The Great Newspaper Firewall Is Coming. And?
    It was Sulzberger, who may or may not be the heroic pilot who dumped into the Hudson, who nailed the dilemma square on. Only nobody caught it. He said the Titanic was not done in by icebergs, but rather by the Wright Brothers nine years before.

    He should know. He's the Captain Smith of this Titanic. #newspapers
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    Image of FormerEnglishMajor FormerEnglishMajor
    11/02/09

    In reply to The Great Newspaper Firewall Is Coming. And?
    I've felt queasy reading about all the Times layoffs because I've been completely guilty of reading everything, refused to pay for Times Select, then I get to see the fallout of reporter blood-letting practically in real-time.

    If "crafty people" get news for free, then you will eventually just get crappy news. There isn't quality "free" reporting like, say, Watergate or even the recent Times Magazine on the hospital triage during Katrina.

    My friends in magazine and newspapers have lost a LOT, and it is because I and so many others just want it free.

    It was a huge error in judgement for newspapers to value "eyeballs" over "payment". The online ad thing doesn't pay for a huge newsroom. They might as well try pay firewalls and screw the "get the eyeballs and the ads will come and pay for most everything" failed methodology.

    If you own a business, you'll take a paying, small audience over large group of freeloaders any day. #newspapers
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    Edited by FormerEnglishMajor at 11/02/09 11:35 AM FormerEnglishMajor was starred FormerEnglishMajor was unstarred
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    11/02/09

    @FormerEnglishMajor: Had a relevant discussion, which I remember because not many were. A certain author of best selling romance fiction said she had rather sell books than have them read. I asked, you have maybe thirty million books in print in several langauges; rather than six bux a throw, would you rather have thirty trillion readers for free?

    Her reply was quite clever, but you know writers.

    "No." #newspapers
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    Image of TheBusinessGuy TheBusinessGuy
    11/02/09

    @FormerEnglishMajor: Beautifully put. The trouble with newspapers--and with magazine companies like Conde--is that the old guard had blinders on and never understood how big the web would be, or that it would be a rival to print; rather, they saw it as a way to promote the print version, and the print version, in their belief, would be the version uber alles. It was short-sighted and foolish, but then that is the way of newspapers. Unfortunately, we need them, because as you, Former, and others have pointed out, bloggers are great but they don't have the resources to dig deep and investigate the big stories. That takes money.

    And now, because you and I and others have had a free ride, the old media doesn't have the money to do what needs to be done. Foreign bureaus are closing, local staffs are cut, and major cities are threatened with not having a newspaper at all, let alone more than one so there can be different voices. If there is a no money to do what needs to be done journalistically, and no experienced people left to do it, the bad guys win. And that means the rest of lose. #newspapers
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    Image of Kimrod Kimrod
    11/02/09

    In reply to The Great Newspaper Firewall Is Coming. And?
    Newspapers are banking their future on whether readers put a value on news accessibility.

    With the options available to news readers/viewers, I'd say, don't let the door smack you in the ass on your way out.

    It isn't important enough for me when I have a bazillion other outlets for news that doesn't cost me a dime.

    I suffer from news-overload most days, especially the day that damn ballon went aloft. #newspapers
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    11/02/09

    @Kimrod: Well, in fairness, when the question is "What if we're irrelevant in 5 years?" the answer is never "Fold up and go home." It's usually "Pay off lobbyists and dig in with the lawyers." That's why music still comes out on CD, the postal service doesn't fire anybody despite a 2.8 billion dollar hole, and Chrysler is still allowed to produce terrible automobiles. Can't wait for the blog link lawsuits that have been brewing for years! #toomanygoddamnpeopleonthisplan...
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    Image of Tremonius Tremonius
    11/02/09

    @Kimrod: The theory is, were it not for the Times, we would all think that balloon was still floating away ... #newspapers
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    11/02/09

    @Tremonius: Precisely, with their center-of-the-universe attitude they may have been able in the past...to convince readers of that...but they are dying on the vine like used car salesman. I feel no loyalty to them.

    Newspapers have fought this for several decades, but have failed to invent an action plan to sustain survivability in a fast-changing, world. I guess you could throw magazines in there, too. Conde Nast, Forbes, etc., are puking all over themselves.

    As the taste for news diversified, so did people's tastes. NYT is stodgy; stuck in an old-money, old-tradition journalism mode, not at all hip to youngsters or young adults who are seeking new modes of communication like blogging, podcasts, texting, etc. (can't wait to see where it goes in 10-20 years or so).

    Or, they just tune out to every day affairs and quite frankly, don't care about any thing else. It stuns me how little they know of current affairs. #newspapers
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    11/02/09

    @Kimrod: I kept wondering why it was the local newspaper in this area which voted for the withered old clone McGoo at the 19% rate had half of its op-ed pages filled with wingnuts and neocons. It occurred to me that, while the area is overwhelmingly progressive, the readership of newspapers is largely comprised of the one demographic in which McGoo did well: the olds. #newspapers
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    Image of triplethreat triplethreat
    11/02/09

    @Kimrod: I'm curious as to the source of the extra-special disdain for the publishing industry. Last time I checked, my friends who were getting by making music are all struggling now because of people wanting everything online and free (or they are forced to tour nonstop as that is their only source of revenue); my filmmaker friends are likewise having a tough time because of the digital/"we want free stuff" revolution.

    I get that Gawker is home of snark or whatever but seriously all the cheering around here every time a bunch of writers and editors get fired is fucking gross. I spent last year covering the election--now almost everyone I worked with is out of a job. A friend who is a war reporter hasn't been able to get anyone to send him on a story in six months. We aren't "puking all over ourselves." We're looking for work, as our our editors, some of whom (gasp) were decent people who worked for Conde Nast.

    Change is hard for any industry--in fact I'd be hard-pressed to think of any who handle it well. Certainly Detroit didn't deal with the rise of foreign production well. Television screwed itself with an over-reliance on reality programming.

    I'm sure that had one of these sage commenting analysts been involved, none of these meltdowns would have occurred. #newspapers
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    11/02/09

    @triplethreat:

    "I get that Gawker is home of snark or whatever but seriously all the cheering around here every time a bunch of writers and editors get fired is fucking gross."

    -I agree. I don't wish for anyone to lose their job, never have. I am one of those surplused victims. I don't feel compelled to support the NYT just to keep the doors open. I love the paper, but don't live there and can't relate to a majority of the content.

    "We aren't "puking all over ourselves."

    -Referencing the cuts in staff across the board, not showing extra special disdain for publishing. It's sad, period. It's sick that it is happening, I never dreamed of this. You took my statement the wrong way.

    "I'm sure that had one of these sage commenting analysts been involved, none of these meltdowns would have occurred."

    -That's just a cheap shot at the posters and the open discussion. You know nothing about us anymore that we do about you. How do you know we aren't working behind the scenes to employ those affected?

    Extra-special disdain noted. #newspapers
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    Image of Unsolicited Advice Unsolicited Advice
    11/02/09

    In reply to The Great Newspaper Firewall Is Coming. And?
    I hope those guys run off and found their own little useless blogs - the death of the newspaper columnist is long-awaited in my camp. These guys are far more dependant on the brands of their papers than they ever realized, and seeing the looks on their faces and reading their public rants when they find out is going to be marvelous. And if Friedman's one of them? Why, that'll be just like sipping piping hot flat-Earth Sri Lankan tea in your slippers and robe while peering through the window fog at a wintry hellscape. #newspapers
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    Image of Poodle_Heart Poodle_Heart
    11/02/09

    @Unsolicited Advice: Amen. My taxicab driver totes agrees. #newspapers
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    Image of Tremonius Tremonius
    11/02/09

    @If_I_Had_a_Poodle: My aunt was widely traveled and sometimes with Arlene Francis's other cousin, and her news source was also cab drivers, who told her what she already knew, which is de rigeur in the south. It was the sixties, and DC, and the subject was war resistance, and the cabbie said, "Why should these bums work; Red China pays 'em fifty dollars a day to protest."

    He was working behind a firewall of twenty dollars from the airport to the hotel. #newspapers
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    Image of Poodle_Heart Poodle_Heart
    11/02/09

    @Tremonius: He was working behind a firewall of twenty dollars from the airport to the hotel.

    You know what would be awesome? Getting into a cab and seeing that The Moustache of Understanding was driving it. #newspapers
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    11/02/09

    @If_I_Had_a_Poodle: It would be one dull and unrewarding ride, but it would be better than seeing that mug spread everywhere else. I'd rather find Ben Bailey as my cab driver, thanks. #newspapers
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    11/02/09

    @Tremonius: Dude, it would be hilarious. #newspapers
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    Image of misslinda misslinda
    11/02/09

    In reply to The Great Newspaper Firewall Is Coming. And?
    How is a monthly membership fee an inelegant solution? If it's good enough for J-Date, it's good enough for the NYT. #newspapers
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    Image of Mo MoDo Mo MoDo
    11/02/09

    @misslinda: But J-Date can get you laid. No such evidence, anecdotal or otherwise, exists for the Times. #newspapers
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    11/02/09

    @misslinda: Lisa Loveit-Loveit from QVC gives it to you in delectable bite-sized chunks - "... only pennies a day" - which is always true according to how many days you're figuring. #newspapers
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    Image of misslinda misslinda
    11/02/09

    @Mo MoDo: Good point. NYTimes, take note--you need to get your subscribers laid, so you're going to have to add an entire section for escort ads. You can call it The Times Titillates. #newspapers
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    Image of futuremrsrickankiel futuremrsrickankiel
    11/02/09

    In reply to The Great Newspaper Firewall Is Coming. And?
    The real question is whether they're going to limit the number of computers that can be used to access an account. My family's all been using the same account to download crosswords for going on a decade, and I don't effing have the money for my own account. Sanctuary!!!! #newspapers
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    Image of Pete Gaines Pete Gaines
    11/02/09

    @futuremrsrickankiel: Post-Dispatch crosswords aren't good enough for your East Coast elitist self? Pfft. #newspapers
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    11/02/09

    In reply to The Great Newspaper Firewall Is Coming. And?
    I support anything that gets rid of The Moustache of Understanding and Maureen No. #newspapers
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    Image of Novaload Novaload
    10/31/09

    In reply to Nobody Loves Weepy VP Joe
    Biden was the most inscrutable choice, ever, for VP. Instead of "change" Obama brought out an old hack, who had trouble with both truth telling, even during the campaign, and with inserting his foot into his mouth. Oh, to know what kind of negotiation that was, to get him on the ticket---except, perhaps to allay terrified old white guys who feared a woman and a (half)black man on the ticket would bring on the apocalypse. #joebiden
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    Image of Thistledew Thistledew
    10/30/09

    In reply to Nobody Loves Weepy VP Joe
    apparently I am in the minority, but I love Joe Biden! I think he's like the lovable Steve Urkel of the White House. He comes in, says stupid stuff, knocks shit over, and is like "Did I do that?" Oh Joe. #joebiden
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    10/30/09

    In reply to Nobody Loves Weepy VP Joe
    Joe Biden is everything thats wrong and fucked up with congress. This dope won his seat in the Senate when he was 29 and has never had another job until being VP. He has learned about as much about how the country works from his perch in DC as Palin learned about Russia from staring at it. He is walking proof we need term limits.

    And he doesn't drink. I don't trust people who don't drink, unless they've already been alcoholics. #joebiden
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    Image of Motoko Kusanagi Motoko Kusanagi
    10/30/09

    In reply to Nobody Loves Weepy VP Joe
    Why is it that I feel compelled to defend Gawker's subject matter against the editors/writers at least once a day lately?

    Either this new crop of staff writers is utterly fucked, or the editorial direction has taken a nosedive, or both.

    Is there some negative correlation between the quality of stories and the quality of AJAX/CSS? #joebiden
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    10/30/09

    @Motoko Kusanagi: From where I'm standing, it would appear to be a positive correlation. It's a good day when I get tripped up by fewer than five unresponsive scripts, infinite waits for comments to load or what have you. #joebiden
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    10/30/09

    @romulus: The site gets prettier, and the content gets lamer. Just callin it as I see it. #joebiden
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    10/30/09

    @Motoko Kusanagi: Oh yeah, I didn't mean to quibble. I agree that the site gets fancier all the time, but features seem to break often. I should have added before that it could well be my OS and browser causing headaches most readers don't experience. And in all fairness, I haven't been reading long enough to judge contemporary content against the past. #joebiden
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    10/30/09

    In reply to Nobody Loves Weepy VP Joe
    Not sure what point you're trying to make, Amrita... that you think Cheney's worldview makes some sense? That Cheney was initially popular, before everything he did brought his popularity rating to a low of 28%? I love it that Biden is willing to call a moron a moron. This is a ridiculous post. #joebiden
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    10/30/09

    In reply to Nobody Loves Weepy VP Joe
    Oh, and if you're trying to poke fun at Vice Prez Biden for weeping during the debate when he spoke about his first wife and baby daughter who died, well then, that's just messed up. #joebiden
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    10/31/09

    @Conchie Birdie: One might argue that it was the worst kind of political hackdom for him to bring them up expressly to show his "empathy" side and try to squeeze a tear out of his plastic-surgeryized eye slots. #joebiden
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