I was at this party. It was ok. I asked Nouriel which of the Ten Crack Commandments was his favorite - without missing a beat, he said, "Never sell no crack where you rest at." #nourielroubini
Where's that guy -- that economics major guy that used to post here all the time, who was straight but still awesomely bitchy? What was his name? It started with a D or a C. I want to hear what that guy has to say about this. Somebody call him over. #nourielroubini
@Uncle_Billy_Slumming: "A Dismal Science" was awesome! I also miss "ChillbearLatrigue," who used to tag-team with "momof3wildkids" to represent the conservative side of the coin on polemic threads of more recent memory. I heart smart conservatives like them, they keep my brain alert.
@snugbug: I tot I taw chillbears and moms of late. They don't check in often enough though. Why call conservatives, "conservatives," though? Can't we just settle on "The Selfish"? #nourielroubini
@Uncle_Billy_Slumming: Eh, I would, but my own dearest folk are total conservatives. "First-gen immigrant from Eastern Europe" phenom in action, I guess. Yet they are SO not selfish in real life. They're truly selfless. There should be a disclaimer somewhere: "If you're an immigrant from a former Eastern Bloc country, and thus a Republican by default, you're not an a-hole."
@snugbug: How do they express their conservatism? To how wide a circle does their selflessness extend?
"Selfless conservatives"...
My mottled brain immediately thinks of well-to-do folks who give to charity or spend a day every year at a soup kitchen or pass out brochures at community events.
There are those that call themselves conservatives who do work tirelessly for their community... but how large is their community? For many, it doesn't go beyond themselves, most others, beyond their families and circle of friends. For some, it might extend to an entire nation... Are there "global selfless conservatives?" Those who are compassionate about all people, and still maintain conservative values?
Just trying to reconcile the words, I guess, and sharpen my understanding of "conservative." I can't get beyond the idea that people who describe themselves as conservatives are just people living in a bubble, trying to maintain some sense of order in a vicious, chaotic world.
@MrInBetween: I relish the fact that Roubini is apparently the economics consultant for Wall Street II: Money Never Sleeps. Zombie Milton Friedman is bummed. Oh well, he'll always have the Nobel Prize, so maybe he's just gently chuckling at the buffoonery of it all. #nourielroubini
@skahammer: Heh. I kinda like non-zombie Milton Friedman. He was the chief unapologetic champion of capitalism. I mean, right after zombie Adam Smith or whatever that Scottish 18th century dude-philosopher was called.
Friedman also authored one of my favorite statements of all times: "If you want to see capitalism in its purest iteration, go to Hong Kong." Having lived in Hong Kong, I still want to high-five him for that. History has steamrolled Hong Kong, but his description still holds true. #thatvisionthing#nourielroubini
@snugbug: That nurtured-in-the-wilderness Gene Simmons black dyed look attracts all the best bridge-and-tunnel booty. And that includes Oliver Stone, auteur of the execrable Natural Born Killers. #nourielroubini
@RonMwangaguhunga: Veracious! NBK was lame-brained alright ("Oooooh, media chases sensationalistic stories! You heard it here first, kids!"), but I reserve my utmost hate for that biopic where Oliver Stone rhumba-ed all over Jim Morrison's grave.
Don't pretend like you can't remember which biopic I mean, Oliver. The one where you had Val Kilmer sing the Doors songs on film and tasked Meg muthaflippin' Ryan to play Pamela Morrison. For that one you're going to hell, "beautiful friend."
@Better to Eat You With: I think those are more properly called "drunk to the point of thinking touching this guy is a good idea" eyes. #nourielroubini
@Better to Eat You With: from (purely scientific) experience, the transition to coma occurs sometime between deciding to escalate the situation and actual escalation, e.g. lying down and pants coming off. #nourielroubini
Nouriel has consistently mis-called the market, but he's right that unwinding the sudden, massive carry trade initiated by quantitative easing and sub-zero interest rates has serious deflationary implications. The idea is that almost everyone is pessimistic on the dollar, and is therefore trying to issue dollar-denominated assets - Venezuela is issuing debt in dollars right now. At the same time pessimistic traders are unloading dollars. This expectations schizophrenia causes asset prices inflate despite no positive economic activity whatsoever, the tide rising all boats; equities, bonds, commodities. This is why the market looks good even though the economy blows, John - it has nothing to do with Goldman goddamn Sachs.
What if dollars suddenly became scarce, or were perceived as such? The whole thing just stops. Markets crash, banks stop lending, consumers stop spending, the whole shebang. That's what a sudden carry trade reversal would do - send investors flooding out of assets back into cash. It's the credit crisis redux, the consequence of unbelievably irresponsible financial management at the Federal Reserve. Again! Simply substitute the equity market since March for the housing market in 2005/2006 and you have an idea of the potential consequences.
I'm thinking just a step ahead of you - the sudden reversal of massive monetary stimulus after the runup in asset prices percolates into the real economy. Take the other side of the bet in the short run with the carry traders if you like, but "crowded" doesn't begin to describe it. #nourielroubini
@Unsolicited Advice: Fair enough. I've managed to hedge some of my equity losses by making friendly wagers against deflation-prognosticators and (so far) winning every one. But your claims that This Time It's Different have been respectfully noted.
Hyperinflating economies running large fiscal deficits lose access to credit markets. This forces currencies to devalue. But at the same time, everything's being issued in dollars! The gun fires both ways. Short-run I'm with you on the inflation trade, but make sure you're the first guy in line during the stampede out of it.
Zerohedge is doing a better job of explaining this than I ever could by the way - check out this morning's bit. #nourielroubini
@Unsolicited Advice: But encountering a deflation-sparking "scarcity" of dollars is the least of the US' likely problems -- since we can always print more. Inflation is the tougher nut to crack, although significant progress has also been made in that area during the last thirty years, via the Fed.
What would worry me is a lack of demand for dollars -- for instance, if assets with large worldwide markets (debt, petroleum) stopped being denominated in US$. I suspect that's the source of some of the US "exceptionalism" you describe. No doubt that demand has cushioned a lot of questionable macro financial practices by the US, and there's also no doubt that eventually it's going to go away. But I propose that the current crisis has actually pushed that reckoning back by several years, by increasing worldwide demand for dollar-denominated assets.
In the meantime, yes, some dollar shorts are going to get squeezed, and some offshore instos are going to suffer epic writedowns which will have measurable contractionary effects. But I still haven't seen a convincing explanation of why holding dollars will be such a bad strategy going forward, unless you think unmanageable inflation is inevitable.
I don't follow the headline-grabbing economists, but the boring academics I read tend to phrase their predictions like this: <10% chance of mild deflation, ~ 30-40% chance of mild inflation, and the remainder is your basic up-and-down muddling-through until stability reasserts itself again. That has sounded approximately correct to me for a while now.
I continue to question the capabilities of central banks to manage monetary policy with the degree of care required. Suffice to say that the downside risk of a short-squeeze-induced panic is understated in my view. There are market risks to policy decisions, not vice versa.
Of course, if any of us could speak with certainty about market direction we'd be too busy investing to speak. #nourielroubini
@Unsolicited Advice: I think you're exactly correct in identifying two cruxes: The limited effectiveness of central-bank policy levers, and the unknown risks resulting from a short squeeze.
The fact that we interpret these unknowns differently isn't surprising. My view is that they're indistinguishable from the background noise of a struggling but haltingly improving economy -- yours is that they have the potential to seize the wheel and crash us into the rocks. I offer that as a brief concluding summary of where we differ on this. #nourielroubini
This seems like a fair distinction. Place bets accordingly. And, as ever in a volatile/uncertain environment, buy deeply out-of-the-money hedges. #nourielroubini
Nouriel is far better looking, intelligent, and global than Krugman and Denton and Henry Kissinger mooshed together. Probably a better cook too. (So why does he remind me of a bar mitzvah boy?)
@Uncle_Billy_Slumming: "Hitler was a better dancer than Churchill. Hitler was a better painter than Churchill! Hitler could paint an entire house, one afternoon, two coats!"
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Yesterday Dickens, today Poe, rap, tap, tapping on the readers' minds. Noice!
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"Selfless conservatives"...
My mottled brain immediately thinks of well-to-do folks who give to charity or spend a day every year at a soup kitchen or pass out brochures at community events.
There are those that call themselves conservatives who do work tirelessly for their community... but how large is their community? For many, it doesn't go beyond themselves, most others, beyond their families and circle of friends. For some, it might extend to an entire nation... Are there "global selfless conservatives?" Those who are compassionate about all people, and still maintain conservative values?
Just trying to reconcile the words, I guess, and sharpen my understanding of "conservative." I can't get beyond the idea that people who describe themselves as conservatives are just people living in a bubble, trying to maintain some sense of order in a vicious, chaotic world.
zzzzzz.... #nourielroubini
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Friedman also authored one of my favorite statements of all times: "If you want to see capitalism in its purest iteration, go to Hong Kong." Having lived in Hong Kong, I still want to high-five him for that. History has steamrolled Hong Kong, but his description still holds true. #thatvisionthing #nourielroubini
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And I never came across that Friedman quote re: Hong Kong, but wow.
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Milton Friedman's rhapsodizing Hong Kong as the ultimate capitalist haven is true:
[www.hoover.org] #nourielroubini
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Don't pretend like you can't remember which biopic I mean, Oliver. The one where you had Val Kilmer sing the Doors songs on film and tasked Meg muthaflippin' Ryan to play Pamela Morrison. For that one you're going to hell, "beautiful friend."
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What if dollars suddenly became scarce, or were perceived as such? The whole thing just stops. Markets crash, banks stop lending, consumers stop spending, the whole shebang. That's what a sudden carry trade reversal would do - send investors flooding out of assets back into cash. It's the credit crisis redux, the consequence of unbelievably irresponsible financial management at the Federal Reserve. Again! Simply substitute the equity market since March for the housing market in 2005/2006 and you have an idea of the potential consequences.
And it looks inevitable. Happy Holidays! #nourielroubini
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Dollars getting scarce? Maybe relative to 2008 levels, but not in absolute terms. Isn't inflation still more likely than deflation? #nourielroubini
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I'm thinking just a step ahead of you - the sudden reversal of massive monetary stimulus after the runup in asset prices percolates into the real economy. Take the other side of the bet in the short run with the carry traders if you like, but "crowded" doesn't begin to describe it. #nourielroubini
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Actually, This Time It's Exactly The Same.
Hyperinflating economies running large fiscal deficits lose access to credit markets. This forces currencies to devalue. But at the same time, everything's being issued in dollars! The gun fires both ways. Short-run I'm with you on the inflation trade, but make sure you're the first guy in line during the stampede out of it.
Zerohedge is doing a better job of explaining this than I ever could by the way - check out this morning's bit. #nourielroubini
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What would worry me is a lack of demand for dollars -- for instance, if assets with large worldwide markets (debt, petroleum) stopped being denominated in US$. I suspect that's the source of some of the US "exceptionalism" you describe. No doubt that demand has cushioned a lot of questionable macro financial practices by the US, and there's also no doubt that eventually it's going to go away. But I propose that the current crisis has actually pushed that reckoning back by several years, by increasing worldwide demand for dollar-denominated assets.
In the meantime, yes, some dollar shorts are going to get squeezed, and some offshore instos are going to suffer epic writedowns which will have measurable contractionary effects. But I still haven't seen a convincing explanation of why holding dollars will be such a bad strategy going forward, unless you think unmanageable inflation is inevitable.
I don't follow the headline-grabbing economists, but the boring academics I read tend to phrase their predictions like this: <10% chance of mild deflation, ~ 30-40% chance of mild inflation, and the remainder is your basic up-and-down muddling-through until stability reasserts itself again. That has sounded approximately correct to me for a while now.
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I continue to question the capabilities of central banks to manage monetary policy with the degree of care required. Suffice to say that the downside risk of a short-squeeze-induced panic is understated in my view. There are market risks to policy decisions, not vice versa.
Of course, if any of us could speak with certainty about market direction we'd be too busy investing to speak. #nourielroubini
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The fact that we interpret these unknowns differently isn't surprising. My view is that they're indistinguishable from the background noise of a struggling but haltingly improving economy -- yours is that they have the potential to seize the wheel and crash us into the rocks. I offer that as a brief concluding summary of where we differ on this. #nourielroubini
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This seems like a fair distinction. Place bets accordingly. And, as ever in a volatile/uncertain environment, buy deeply out-of-the-money hedges. #nourielroubini
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Guy in middle thinking "yeah yeah take the picture baby I want you in my multinational foursome too..."
Girl on right "bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz"
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Both of them are tickling his prostate simultaneously.
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@Mount_Prion:
He told funnier jokes!