1) Supposedly Philip Johnson was inspired by Foucault's writings to model the library after a 'panopticon', an architectural form used for prisons and asylums in the 19th century. The design was (originally) meant to allow for efficient surveillance from a centralized point (although the depths of the stacks kind of mitigate this effect in Bobst).
2) The president of NYU signs off like Jerry Springer. #nyu
@britneyspearstears: Yeah, everyone flipped out, but all I could think was "Huh, after years on the streets this guy got to die all peaceful like, warm and cozy on a couch."
@JPGorgon: We had something similar at UBC when I was there in the 80's. The nude beach is just down the cliff, and we had what we called "beach creatures" who'd live there but sneak into the dorms to use the showers, etc. One of them died in the shower. #nyu
We are assuming it was a suicide and that the suicide involved someone jumping, no?
While that would be my first assumption, without other info it would be equally feasible that a student could die of a sudden health problem or accident (falling down those stairs, for example). #nyu
Update: 11:31 a.m.: The NYPD could not confirm that the death was a result of a jump. They said all they can confirm is that the activity was "non-criminal." #nyu
On my campus tour of the school in 2000, our tour guide told us that the architect of Bobst did purposely add some elements to prevent suicide. The glass walls were added during my Junior year at NYU.
First, as mentioned by others, the floor's geometric pattern appears to rise up like spikes when you look straight down from one of the high floors.
Additionally, the original brass railing (you can see it in the pic, the plexiglass wall rises above it) was made of long thin poles in the shape of a cross. It's very deliberate and unmistakable. The idea was that the last thing you touched, if you did indeed decide to jump, was a symbol of Christianity.
There are a few other religious references in the library, but I can't remember them.
Did this person jump? The plexiglass walls are very high, so it's pretty impressive that someone was able to get over them. It would be a real struggle to get over the damn thing! #nyu
Well, that certainly does look cold, ominous, and sort of science fiction-y, so yah, I can see why it's scary and draws the suicides. So why not just start over in their construction? Make the place more inviting, comforting even. Lot's of stress takes place in a college library, maybe it's not the best idea to have it look like a chrome and steel prison. The NYU kids seem to really enjoy the Barnes & Noble, Starbucks, and Cosi design aesthetic and environment...maybe take a page out of their playbook and make it more congenial and inclusive...might go a long way. That thing looks like a spaceship. #nyu
@Spirit Fingers: Jesus, put some plants in, already!! Do these so-called "academics" know NOTHING about feng-shui??
Of course, at this point, it may be like rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic, or putting fuzzy pillows on the Death Star....a full raze may be the only cure. #nyu
@valhalla_i_am_coming: HA! You're mocking me, I can feel it. Seriously though, if your university needs to have a library, and I'm betting most do, why make it look like American Me in that joint? Not saying it needs to be all Feng-Shui hippie crap, but at least make it look less like the building wants death. Sheesh. #nyu
i was in the library when it happened early this morning. what is equally upsetting to me, though, is that nyu didn't offer the students any support or really even acknowledge what we knew had happen. it's odd to me that there isn't a theraputic action plan in place to handle these situations. witnessing/hearing someone die can be a very trauma-inducing experience. mismanagement of these types of things can cost lives. very poorly done, nyu. i know you can do so much better. #nyu
A person can't screw things up that bad that young. If you're in college, you've literally decades to correct whatever you feel is making life unlivable. Don't kill yourself, please. #nyu
@Unsolicited Advice: College is also the time for many when we are first truly out on our own, making decisions without our parents' watching/providing support, and to put it starkly, when some mental illnesses first present themselves. There isn't any explanation for this kid making the decision he seems to have, but the dean's message is a good step in the right direction. If I worked there I'd have social workers on a 24 hour rotation, just in case someone l0oked vaguely unhappy. Overdoing it, perhaps, but there is something about this building. #nyu
@ms_priestypants: good point about having social workers on a campus... exams time around top-tier schools (well, maybe all colleges) are really depressing - and it shouldn't be that way. I laughed when I read "vaguely unhappy," because I'm pretty sure every single person at my own school walking around during midterms/finals had this expression, ha!
Schools should do a little bit more to alleviate stress, whether or not it's keeping a small army of social workers on hand, or organizing study break activities. #nyu
When I wrote for the WSN, I did a story on NYU's campus psychiatric services in light of a 2007 suicide.
Part of that involved the unfortunate task of number-crunching. I don't still have the figures on-hand, but I was surprised to learn that NYU in fact has very few student suicides (even below the national average, I believe) for its size and population.
Yeah from the looks of the architectural structure of this building, who would be possibly surprised? It's almost a fucking invitation for you to tie the noose somewhere and hop.
@DEADFORWEEKS: Those Plexiglas panels were added to make it impossible (or at least very difficult) after the two jumpers in 2003, and the floor has a bizarre pattern that's supposed to make it look like there are spires rising from the tile to discourage you even further. At least they're trying, for what it's worth. #nyu
@DahlELama: Are you sure that's true about the floor? That seemed much more like an urban legend that was going around when I went there. Also, that one of the kids was on acid or some other drug and jumped when they looked down at the floor and thought it was coming up to them.
@nozer: Honestly, I was told that during orientation and never really thought to question it. The floor is bizarre and definitely has a sort of 3-D effect, though I didn't spend much time there before the Plexiglas was installed and couldn't really tell you if that whole spire thing was accurate when looking over the railings. I don't know if that kid being on acid was ever confirmed, but yeah, that's what I heard too. #nyu
@DahlELama: The floor looks that way for purely aesthetic reasons NOT to discourage suicide. I swear, NYU is full of suicide legends (like everyone's fave about getting all A's for the rest of the year if your roommate jumps).
As for the acid jumper, if s/he jumped, how would anyone know if s/he thought the floor was coming up at them? Doesn't NYU teach critical thinking anymore?
NYU doesn't have more suicides than normal, it's just that it's an expensive school that caters to wealthy clientele in a large city; of course a rich kid's suicide is going to get publicity.
That said, NYU has several a year and has had several a year for a long time. We had about 2 or 3 every year when I was there from 92 through 96. #nyu
@OMG! Ponies!: Ah, well, it's nice in theory. And I meant that I heard that the guy had been on acid, not about the floor coming up to meet him. Actually, the popular lore when he died was that he'd been a diver and he must've thought the floor looked like water. Critical thinking, indeed. #nyu
@nozer: The kid was on mushrooms. I was a junior when the 6 jumping suicides went down in 2004. Someone cleverly began selling shirts that said "NYU Diving Team," with a stick figure diving and the pattern of the library below it.
And we were indeed told during orientation that the pattern was supposed to look like spikes (though when I got drunk one night and went to the top floor to see if it was true, I didn't think it looked too spikey to me), and the thing about the crosses on the railings (odd for a secular university). I think they are just coincidences that someone pointed out and they adapted into campus lore. #nyu
Good God. I was a freshman at NYU for the first wave of suicides and walking into Bobst used to be terrifying, like you were trampling on a graveyard. Now my class is (mostly) fully graduated, there are all new kids, and the association begins all over again. Poor kid. Poor student body. Poor, well, everyone. What is it about that damn library? #nyu
@DahlELama: I think it's more the school than the library. A couple of people back when we were there were just jumping off of buildings too. If more of NYU's buildings had giant holes in the middle, they'd probably need to install some heavy-duty nets. #nyu
Did you find that NYU could be a very lonely place to go to college?
I get the impression that unless you are extremely social it can be very difficult to find friends because everyone is so widely dispersed. My friends who went there told me they didn't make any new friends after their freshman year. #nyu
@Oryx Hearts Crake: I didn't, but in all honestly, that's probably because I got involved with the Hillel early on, which, at the time, was a fairly small, tight-knit community with a lot of events. I get the sense that NYU can be a really nice place to be if you're part of a club or organization or even a smaller major (my Russian classes were another saving grace), but I can certainly see how easy it can be to get lost in the crowd, especially in the first year when you're probably taking a lot of core classes which are huge and often full of intimidating upperclassmen.
Frankly, I found freshman orientation utterly miserable, and if the rest of my year had been like that, I don't think I would have made any new friends that year either. #nyu
@Oryx Hearts Crake: I just graduated from NYU this past spring and from my experiences, I would agree with that assessment. I made friends after freshman year, but it was difficult--very difficult. I knew a number of people who went through periods of serious depression and disillusionment (one of my friends was the roommate of someone who committed suicide in 2007), and honestly, I didn't think that the school provides much in the way of resources or support. Having a psychology clinic on campus and taking the steps to create a supportive, positive college environment are not the same things. When I compare NYU to my friends' alma maters and my siblings current universities, I can see where NYU dropped the ball in that regard. #nyu
I believe he was one of the subjects of Oliver Sach's essays in An Anthropologist on Mars ("Prodigies"). The author spends a period of time with him and his family and provides a bit of background information on him, all in all, a very fascinating read. #artists
I believe he was one of the subjects of Oliver Sach's essays in An Anthropologist on Mars ("Prodigies"). The author spends a period of time with him and his family and provides a bit of background information on him, all in all, a very fascinating read. #artists
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1) Supposedly Philip Johnson was inspired by Foucault's writings to model the library after a 'panopticon', an architectural form used for prisons and asylums in the 19th century. The design was (originally) meant to allow for efficient surveillance from a centralized point (although the depths of the stacks kind of mitigate this effect in Bobst).
2) The president of NYU signs off like Jerry Springer. #nyu
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Man, even our deaths are more boring than New York's. Wisconsin: not as cool as the coast since 1856. #nyu
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Not to bad in my opinion. #nyu
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While that would be my first assumption, without other info it would be equally feasible that a student could die of a sudden health problem or accident (falling down those stairs, for example). #nyu
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Update: 11:31 a.m.: The NYPD could not confirm that the death was a result of a jump. They said all they can confirm is that the activity was "non-criminal." #nyu
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First, as mentioned by others, the floor's geometric pattern appears to rise up like spikes when you look straight down from one of the high floors.
Additionally, the original brass railing (you can see it in the pic, the plexiglass wall rises above it) was made of long thin poles in the shape of a cross. It's very deliberate and unmistakable. The idea was that the last thing you touched, if you did indeed decide to jump, was a symbol of Christianity.
There are a few other religious references in the library, but I can't remember them.
Did this person jump? The plexiglass walls are very high, so it's pretty impressive that someone was able to get over them. It would be a real struggle to get over the damn thing! #nyu
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Of course, at this point, it may be like rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic, or putting fuzzy pillows on the Death Star....a full raze may be the only cure. #nyu
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Schools should do a little bit more to alleviate stress, whether or not it's keeping a small army of social workers on hand, or organizing study break activities. #nyu
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And she was almost always exactly right. #nyu
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Part of that involved the unfortunate task of number-crunching. I don't still have the figures on-hand, but I was surprised to learn that NYU in fact has very few student suicides (even below the national average, I believe) for its size and population.
They're just way more publicized, sadly. #nyu
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Either way, that floor is freaky. #nyu
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As for the acid jumper, if s/he jumped, how would anyone know if s/he thought the floor was coming up at them? Doesn't NYU teach critical thinking anymore?
NYU doesn't have more suicides than normal, it's just that it's an expensive school that caters to wealthy clientele in a large city; of course a rich kid's suicide is going to get publicity.
That said, NYU has several a year and has had several a year for a long time. We had about 2 or 3 every year when I was there from 92 through 96. #nyu
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And we were indeed told during orientation that the pattern was supposed to look like spikes (though when I got drunk one night and went to the top floor to see if it was true, I didn't think it looked too spikey to me), and the thing about the crosses on the railings (odd for a secular university). I think they are just coincidences that someone pointed out and they adapted into campus lore. #nyu
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Did you find that NYU could be a very lonely place to go to college?
I get the impression that unless you are extremely social it can be very difficult to find friends because everyone is so widely dispersed. My friends who went there told me they didn't make any new friends after their freshman year. #nyu
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Frankly, I found freshman orientation utterly miserable, and if the rest of my year had been like that, I don't think I would have made any new friends that year either. #nyu
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