As a former Harlemite, I understand their frustration. Harlem streets probably resemble something close to those in Dakar, with all the Senegalese taxi drivers yelling into their cell phones while crusing for the next fare. But I do not approve of the "don't you know who I am" act. That is something you can pull in, maybe, Cleveland, maybe. But not in NYC. Gurrrl, palease don't get me started. #alsharpton
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@Conchie Birdie: Yeah, that was the Post's quote. It sounded strange, I should've had the entire thing in scare quotes. Removed for clarity. She's been arrested 10 times, and still doesn't know how NOT to deal with cops. #alsharpton
@Foster Kamer: Get it straight guys. The Post wrote that Al was willingly arrested 10 times since 1984. All you guys need to get on or off the bong. No middle ground here. #alsharpton
@chelseabill: Yes, that's what we're all doing, sitting around passin the bong. It was a stupid and befuddling sentence, considering they're both referred to as Sharpton in the article. You know, the whole thing with nouns and pronouns? #alsharpton
@Conchie Birdie: "you guys" did not mean you Conchie. It was directed at Foster, Gawker, Celona and the Post. It's like the blind following the blind with them and now you are throwing peanuts at me as a proxy for Kramer. #alsharpton
The Post story I read a minute ago, which now seems to have disappeared, plainly said that the daughter had been arrested 10 times since 1984. It also said the arrests had been voluntary, which is kind of an important detail.
@chelseabill: It's Kamer. And the Post quote reads:
She is also the production events director and a "working actress," according to her Twitter page. She told Amsterdam News in a 2008 interview that following in her father’s footsteps was, "not something I really planned on doing, but I know it’s something I have to do. Being his eldest daughter, it’s my responsibility." And she has followed in his footsteps — Sharpton has reportedly been willingly arrested during protests over 10 times since 1984.
They're rewriting the item now because the language in it was so skewed. So, you're right, I was wrong - twice - but you were also an asshole! Don't be jealous of our bong. We don't mean to Bogart, BRAH.
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@Foster Kamer: Don't bogart that joint, my friend... Pass it over to me... (guitar riff).
On a different note, I rememeber on Cleveland's college radio station WCSB 89.3PM, there used to be a guy named "Mitch-Man" who did a show called "Under the Influence", that had played "A Child's Garden of Grass", Frank Zappa, Cheech and Chong, along with what he called "Marajuana Montage" that consisted of har to find music and musings.
God, I miss that show. I've been ebaying and shopping around for that material since. #alsharpton
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Fact of the matter is that Tazer was intended to be a "less lethal" alternative for scenarios involving guys swinging bats and knives around, NOT as a compliance tool. I recall that when it was being introduced that was the selling point. "No longer will we have to shoot people threatening cops with weapons other than firearms."
My buddy who is a sheriff told me that most of these cases you see on youtube of people being tazed to get them out of a car, etc should be considered unlawful, despite how many departments review the case and call the shot "within departmental guidelines."
This is just a shitty slippery slope to a police state. Yeah, don't fight or resist cops, no duh. But how many times have we seen non-violent people zapped?
Ban them. I'd rather see a few drugged out knife wielders get shot than get zapped myself because I dared to question a cop. #tasers
@Bipolar-Cop: How many times have we seen non-violent people zapped? Not a lot, methinks, but of course one is too many.
There are remedies to inappropriate zapping which include a Civilian Complaint Board, lawsuits, and media exposure of the incident (if that's available).
I'd like to see more zapping and less shooting, truly. #tasers
@BettyCrocker: Sure like with this puppy which can blast three electrodes at three crazed knife wielding drug addicts at once! The Taser X3: [www.taser.com]
Fucking drugged up knife wielders! Let's taze 'em up real gooood and keep our streets safe! #tasers
@BettyCrocker:
I hear you. However (call me a right wing nut-job) I'd rather a few children and kitties (and I LOOOVE kitties) get caught in the crossfire than live in a country where merely questioning authority gets you zapped and taken off to jail.
I am painting with a broad brush here; I know that we don't see every Tazer shot that occurs posted onto YouTube, but I do believe that enough abuse happens, even if from a minority of cops, that we should remove them from use. The fact that the screwed up ones we DO see are generally called lawful after internal review scares the crap out of me.
I know, its funny, I am basically saying "we can trust cops with lethal firearms but not with a shocking device", but that IS what I am saying.
Giving authorities an "instant compliance" tool in general leads to a horrible "my word is law because I can now reduce you to a quivering heap at will" attitude in some cops, an attitude that we should eliminate before it is too late and it becomes institutionalized. #tasers
Questioning a cop like "Why am I being arrested?" should not result in a zap - they're supposed to tell you in pretty short order, and 99% of the time it's obvious why you're being arrested. That's not what happened here.
I see the potential for taser abuse, and I think the law in this area will change, because it really is an assault weapon. #tasers
The lesson? Cops suck (until you really need one) and don't ever, ever assault a police officer.
I may not think highly of the police, but I've never had a bad run-in with the cops, I think this is because I keep my liberal vitriol to myself. If I see cops doing something problematic, I make a note of the names on their badges or the plate number on their cruiser and file it away should I need the info later. What don't I do? Get into a screaming confrontation, because it's a virtual guarantee that your ass will get pounded, and you'll go to jail anyway. #tasers
@OldSpinDoc: Most women who are ladies are never arrested. Or if they are, it's for things like blocking bulldozers from ripping up community gardens. I don't know too many ladies who try to go all ghetto ninja on the cops. #tasers
She is actually one of those people with a sexual fetish for electric shocks. When truth comes out, she is going to get sued big time for sexual harassment. #tasers
1: No one has a right to resist arrest.
2: No one has a right to assault police officers.
3: Tasering causes (severe) temporary discomfort. By contrast, grabbing a suspect, restraining them, and sitting on them to cuff them can result in much more severe injuries to both the cop and the arrested person. #tasers
@BettyCrocker: I love you dearly Betty, but you're full of shit here.
1. Wrong.
"Citizens may resist unlawful arrest to the point of taking an arresting officer's life if necessary." Plummer v. State, 136 Ind. 306.
2. Wrong again.
The Supreme Court of the United States in the case: John Bad Elk v. U.S., 177 U.S. 529 "Where the officer is killed in the course of the disorder which naturally accompanies an attempted arrest that is resisted, the law looks with very different eyes upon the transaction, when the officer had the right to make the arrest, from what it does if the officer had no right. What may be murder in the first case might be nothing more than manslaughter in the other, or the facts might show that no offense had been committed."
3.
There were 5 cops on a single petite woman. If they can't physically subdue her without using a taser, they need to immediately be removed from active duty, start working out until they are able to do so and then they can come back to do their job.
@Chore Boy: Not exactly. I can't cede 1 or 2, because you haven't shown how they apply here, and in 1:31 of film, it can't be shown. Clicking on the link gives more color to the story. But it seems like the arrest was lawful. And SCOTUS or no - kicking a cop is usually a very poor idea.For #3, you're actually filled with... well, we'll call it baloney. Re-view the film and you'll see that no cops were "on" her. Only two appeared to be involved in subduing her, and she broke free from them, leading to taser city, population her. #tasers
@BettyCrocker: To be fair, with sweeping statements like "NO ONE has the right to resist arrest" and "NO ONE has the right to assault police officers," nothing needs to be applied to a specific instance. #tasers
@JohanPaladin: Okay. How about: this person apparently didn't have the right to resist arrest, and she assaulted a police officer who hadn't even touched her, and so she got locked up?
There IS real police brutality out there, some of it on film. This is a remarkably poor example. #tasers
@Chore Boy: Do not underestimate the damage one pissed off woman can do. I saw woman who was 4ft5 and 80 lbs (tops) inflict some major bodily harm on 2 cops twice her size. In fact, one lost his earlobe which she tore off with her hand. It has nothing to do with the competence of the cops. #tasers
@resipsaloquacious: Well this is true; however, I was more responding to the sweeping generalization about tasers only causing "temporary discomfort." The Dziekanski case was definitely overkill on many levels.
To say that "will not prevent you from getting fucked up" would imply that the camera wielder was then fucked up "by that same cop." Are we missing video of that fucking-up because the camera was stowed, or because it never actually occurred? #tasers
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What an absurd person. #alsharpton
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True enough.
#Innumerate Lit Major #alsharpton
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And Mrs. Ex-Sharpton is an elephant who delivered late, very late.
#Innumerate Lit Major #alsharpton
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The Post story I read a minute ago, which now seems to have disappeared, plainly said that the daughter had been arrested 10 times since 1984. It also said the arrests had been voluntary, which is kind of an important detail.
#Department of close reading #alsharpton
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Oh, never mind. I also think we may be talking at cross-revisions.
#Apology. #alsharpton
10/31/09
She is also the production events director and a "working actress," according to her Twitter page. She told Amsterdam News in a 2008 interview that following in her father’s footsteps was, "not something I really planned on doing, but I know it’s something I have to do. Being his eldest daughter, it’s my responsibility." And she has followed in his footsteps — Sharpton has reportedly been willingly arrested during protests over 10 times since 1984.
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They're rewriting the item now because the language in it was so skewed. So, you're right, I was wrong - twice - but you were also an asshole! Don't be jealous of our bong. We don't mean to Bogart, BRAH.
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Sadly, the apple doesn't fall far from the tree in this case. #alsharpton
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On a different note, I rememeber on Cleveland's college radio station WCSB 89.3PM, there used to be a guy named "Mitch-Man" who did a show called "Under the Influence", that had played "A Child's Garden of Grass", Frank Zappa, Cheech and Chong, along with what he called "Marajuana Montage" that consisted of har to find music and musings.
God, I miss that show. I've been ebaying and shopping around for that material since. #alsharpton
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Ask me why I am arresting you. Tazer.
Tell me you "know your rights." Tazer.
Kick me. Tazer.
Call me "bro." Double tazer. #tasers
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My buddy who is a sheriff told me that most of these cases you see on youtube of people being tazed to get them out of a car, etc should be considered unlawful, despite how many departments review the case and call the shot "within departmental guidelines."
This is just a shitty slippery slope to a police state. Yeah, don't fight or resist cops, no duh. But how many times have we seen non-violent people zapped?
Ban them. I'd rather see a few drugged out knife wielders get shot than get zapped myself because I dared to question a cop. #tasers
10/23/09
There are remedies to inappropriate zapping which include a Civilian Complaint Board, lawsuits, and media exposure of the incident (if that's available).
I'd like to see more zapping and less shooting, truly. #tasers
10/23/09
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Fucking drugged up knife wielders! Let's taze 'em up real gooood and keep our streets safe! #tasers
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I hear you. However (call me a right wing nut-job) I'd rather a few children and kitties (and I LOOOVE kitties) get caught in the crossfire than live in a country where merely questioning authority gets you zapped and taken off to jail.
I am painting with a broad brush here; I know that we don't see every Tazer shot that occurs posted onto YouTube, but I do believe that enough abuse happens, even if from a minority of cops, that we should remove them from use. The fact that the screwed up ones we DO see are generally called lawful after internal review scares the crap out of me.
I know, its funny, I am basically saying "we can trust cops with lethal firearms but not with a shocking device", but that IS what I am saying.
Giving authorities an "instant compliance" tool in general leads to a horrible "my word is law because I can now reduce you to a quivering heap at will" attitude in some cops, an attitude that we should eliminate before it is too late and it becomes institutionalized. #tasers
10/23/09
Questioning a cop like "Why am I being arrested?" should not result in a zap - they're supposed to tell you in pretty short order, and 99% of the time it's obvious why you're being arrested. That's not what happened here.
I see the potential for taser abuse, and I think the law in this area will change, because it really is an assault weapon. #tasers
10/23/09
good thing their short-term memories only span the past five hours anyhow.... #tasers
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This message brought to you by the Hot Cops. #tasers
10/23/09
The lesson? Cops suck (until you really need one) and don't ever, ever assault a police officer.
I may not think highly of the police, but I've never had a bad run-in with the cops, I think this is because I keep my liberal vitriol to myself. If I see cops doing something problematic, I make a note of the names on their badges or the plate number on their cruiser and file it away should I need the info later. What don't I do? Get into a screaming confrontation, because it's a virtual guarantee that your ass will get pounded, and you'll go to jail anyway. #tasers
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Lady?! Using the term rather loosely, ain't we? #tasers
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2: No one has a right to assault police officers.
3: Tasering causes (severe) temporary discomfort. By contrast, grabbing a suspect, restraining them, and sitting on them to cuff them can result in much more severe injuries to both the cop and the arrested person. #tasers
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Sure, tell that to Robert Dziekanski, the "discomfort" was temporary 'cause he's dead now.
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10/23/09
1. Wrong.
"Citizens may resist unlawful arrest to the point of taking an arresting officer's life if necessary." Plummer v. State, 136 Ind. 306.
2. Wrong again.
The Supreme Court of the United States in the case: John Bad Elk v. U.S., 177 U.S. 529 "Where the officer is killed in the course of the disorder which naturally accompanies an attempted arrest that is resisted, the law looks with very different eyes upon the transaction, when the officer had the right to make the arrest, from what it does if the officer had no right. What may be murder in the first case might be nothing more than manslaughter in the other, or the facts might show that no offense had been committed."
3.
There were 5 cops on a single petite woman. If they can't physically subdue her without using a taser, they need to immediately be removed from active duty, start working out until they are able to do so and then they can come back to do their job.
Sorry, but you're all wrong here.
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There IS real police brutality out there, some of it on film. This is a remarkably poor example. #tasers
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