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    Image of Owen Thomas Owen Thomas
    11/13/09

    In reply to Columnist Literally Eats His Words, Proving Print Is Still Better for Some Things
    Please! Techies were pulling this move decades ago -- most notably when Ethernet inventor Bob Metcalfe ate his words about an Internet crash he predicted:
    [www.wired.com] #retractions
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    Image of A Message To Rudy A Message To Rudy
    11/13/09

    In reply to Columnist Literally Eats His Words, Proving Print Is Still Better for Some Things
    He's averaging 11 points and 12 rebounds after about EIGHT GAMES. But for his admittedly short career, he's averaging about six points for each. A little early on the column dining, Morrissey. Talk to me when Noah averages a double-double for his CAREER. #retractions
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    Image of johnny_carsick johnny_carsick
    11/13/09

    @A Message To Rudy: remember that homeboy tore it up in the playoffs last year, as well.

    but yeah, point taken. #retractions
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    Image of A Message To Rudy A Message To Rudy
    11/13/09

    @johnny_carsick: Living here in Chicago I am well aware of his playoff surge. I am also well aware of his carboard-like presence the previous 100-plus games, so, yeah, I do feel that even with his post-season heroics, saying he has proven himself is a little premature. #retractions
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    Image of johnny_carsick johnny_carsick
    11/13/09

    @A Message To Rudy: well, noah's the kind of player that's only really effective in certain kinds of systems - he can run, passes well, and has a good handle for a big guy.

    i think skiles had something to do with handcuffing him then, i think derrick rose deserves a bit of credit for how he's playing now. kid's coming into his own.

    that being said, i'm a homer. loved those back-to-back UF teams. and i generally hate UF. #retractions
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    Image of A Message To Rudy A Message To Rudy
    11/13/09

    @johnny_carsick: Yeah, I definitely see your point. Some of the pressure's off Noah with Rose coming in. That plus the fact that he's maturing as a player will hopefully lead to more boards (the main thing I want out of him). Dont' get me wrong, I like the guy. Just hasn't proven that he deserves the apologies of any doubters yet. To me. #retractions
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    Image of johnny_carsick johnny_carsick
    11/13/09

    @A Message To Rudy: i also just think morrissey's a tool, this little publicity stunt included.

    but yeah, go bulls. #retractions
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    Image of raincoaster raincoaster
    11/13/09

    In reply to Columnist Literally Eats His Words, Proving Print Is Still Better for Some Things
    Both of these guys are wonderful.

    I'd like to see Arianna Huffington eat all of the passages in her books that she "improperly referenced." #retractions
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    Image of Conchie Birdie Conchie Birdie
    11/13/09

    In reply to Columnist Literally Eats His Words, Proving Print Is Still Better for Some Things
    And journalistic integrity has come down to this. #retractions
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    Image of jasonelias jasonelias
    11/13/09

    In reply to Columnist Literally Eats His Words, Proving Print Is Still Better for Some Things
    I don't know what's sadder? The very idea, the execution, Rick's shirt, the salsa, the fact that he's going to crap this later, it's 5:00 of total sad. #retractions
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    Image of garbanzo314 garbanzo314
    08/01/09

    In reply to The Mainstream Media Sleeps In On (LaGuardia Airport Bomb Threat) Weekends
    Drunk guy with power strip in a duffel bag creates nationwide delays in air traffic system and will likely go to jail for 20 years. Overreaction, anyone?
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    Image of RandomLunatic RandomLunatic
    08/01/09

    In reply to The Mainstream Media Sleeps In On (LaGuardia Airport Bomb Threat) Weekends
    I'm not ready to lionize Van Poppel or Breaking News. BNO's error rate and tendency to overblow non-stories is old news to a lot of people who have been on Twitter for a while.
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    Image of The Sneak The Sneak
    08/01/09

    In reply to The Mainstream Media Sleeps In On (LaGuardia Airport Bomb Threat) Weekends
    Twitter beats media on boring non-story. Got it.
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    Image of Must B. Nice Must B. Nice
    08/01/09

    In reply to The Mainstream Media Sleeps In On (LaGuardia Airport Bomb Threat) Weekends
    We are losing the battle on it's/its. I have seen this error in the New York Times more "times" than I can count. It's (Its?) also all over the CBS Web site in incorrect form.

    One day -- maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, but one day -- you or your children or your children's children are going to write "its" to form a possessive and it will be "corrected" with an apostrophe by some idiotic teacher or co-worker.

    And. He. Will. Be. Right.
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    Image of lionboy lionboy
    08/01/09

    @Must B. Nice: Once upon a time I made this distinction without even thinking, but after seeing it so often I now get confused and have to pause to remind myself which is which.
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    Image of BxgrlJeri BxgrlJeri
    08/01/09

    @Must B. Nice: it's/its will be followed by lose/loose and definately.

    teh interwebs. makin us stoopit
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    Image of iplaudius iplaudius
    08/01/09

    @Must B. Nice: The confusion is not unfounded. The possessive (i.e., genitive) case in English is often indicated by an apostrophe followed by s: one's, Peter's, the lady's. Why? Because in older forms of English (as in German) the genitive case was indicated by the suffix -es. When the -e- in these forms became elided, spelling conventions called for an apostrophe to indicate the missing e.

    What of "its"? The original form ites became the elided its long before the spelling convention of the apostrophe. In consequence, it is "irregular" in so far as the genitive qua possessive normally has 's as a case ending.

    In other words, had the elision of ites not become so common before the spelling convention of the apostrophe, the possessive of "it" and the contraction "it is" would be identical: it's and it's. Context would determine whether "it's" meant "of or belonging to it" or "it is." In fact, this is what happens cognitively when one correctly interprets the "mistake" "it's" for "its": the context determines the meaning (as with "who" for "whom"), and there is no problem of comprehension--yet the hyperliterate call out "mistake."

    So there is nothing "stupid" about wanting "it's" for "its." Rather, the "mistake" would seem to show the natural human instinct to create formal regularity in language, even--or especially--against irregular conventions. (After all, they sound the same in spoken language.) When we the educated and the literate resist these changes, we may be correct in calling them "mistakes"; however, we should also be honest with ourselves about why we want to correct others and retain control over the language as we customarily use it.

    To correct the language of others is to attempt to exercise power over them through the medium of language. The social and symbolic capital of literacy and higher education may not always buy you much, but they aren't worthless. (Consider the relative linguistic wealth of President Obama as opposed to, say, Sarah Palin.) I like to be right in language as in all things; however, I realize that my wanting to be right is, just a little bit, about dominating others. It's not cute, but that's how humans are, and that's what I am.
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    Image of Must B. Nice Must B. Nice
    08/01/09

    @iplaudius: I think that's giving the confused a bit too much credit.

    My bet is that with the propagation of e-mail, IM, text, and general Interwebbery, people have come to distinguish between formal writing and informal writing. When 95% of people omit apostrophes in 95% of their informal writing (cant you see, dont go there), there is an instinct to use an apostrophe in its in any writing they consider "formal."
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    Image of iplaudius iplaudius
    08/01/09

    @Must B. Nice: The it's/its confusion actually predates what you're describing -- that is, what Walter J. Ong termed secondary orality. There was a good article on this subject in the New Yorker (Caleb Crain, "Twilight of the Books," Dec. 24, 2007). For one take on the human instinct to expect structure and patterns in language, see, e.g., Steven Pinker, The Language Instinct.
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