I always wondered what kind of ninny client would show up at an event like this, and see a display like that, and not say to themselves, "We're paying WAY too much for these guys' services... Get me our CIO - NOW!" #larryellison
Ellison appears to continue the 1990s brand of techno-comedian -- continuing where Sun's McNealy left off – figuratively and literally if the merger goes through. It made little difference if these CEO cum jokers were stand-up self-contradictions. There was a time when making fun of Intel, IBM, Microsoft was "cool" but that got old as the dot come era fizzled out. Speaking of the past, Ellison’s Oracle, has just been slapped a fine for bragging about a Sun+Oracle performance benchmark in the NYTimes, a benchmark that Sun had been badmouthing for a decade. People indeed have short memories!
Consumers already operate much of their "computing" in the cloud, and most of the selling of cloud computing for scalable storage, computing, and "disposable" environments will be for businesses.
Gee Ryan, looks like you're on my page today, being a killjoy. Can't have the drones waking up to the reality that not only is is everything old 'new' again, but we're running out of 'new' ideas and really scrounging:
In much the same way that I don't believe that folks will fall for Job's new mythical shiny Newton ^h^h iPud ^h iPad, I don't think folks are falling for the hype of cloud computing. Unless it's 'free'.
The problem right now is that there are more 'marketers' and 'technologists' in tech than Engineers who truly innovate on this side of the pond. And India and China don't innovate the way Silly Valley did pre-Offshore-Boom time.
And now all the bot ^h offshore herders have to fight over is the table scraps, tired ideas from 10 years ago that didn't work then and won't work now. Leading us to this:
But...PCs generally are too complex for most of the tasks that most people do on them, aren't they?
I didn't know of Larry's circa-1996 position on Network Computers so I'm just thinking about this now...but isn't he kind of right? Doesn't much of the complexity of PCs go underutilized as a feature, and instead just contribute to user problems (resource conflicts, maybe virus infections)? Doesn't much of the code of any operating system or application just lie there dormant and unused...kind of like those endless lists of drivers that WordPerfect used to provide for printers that no one would ever own?
I think you missed Larry's point...and note that I'm not his biggest fan. In the 1996 clip, he was talking about the advantages of having computers networked (via the nascient Internet) together and the feasibility of non-PC-based computers to employ distributed apps (and you could certainly argue that his vision was wrong as Apple and the PC makers and Microsoft are selling more of the same today when compared to units sold in 1996 where net applicances are still not even really on the radar), where in the 2009 clip he is simply critical of the term "cloud" computing and that it's a nearly meaningless term, and indistinguishable from the concept of networked computers and the advantages thereof.
The person who wrote this article seems unable to differentiate a "forward looking" vision of what will be "big" vs. his critique of just a another relatively new computer term (of which he's heard countless ones like it before).
Find another reason to pick on Lawerence; there are plenty.
Another fun fact: Oracle is using a picture of IBM's mainframe computer for this ad, instead of a picture of a Power server, which is the server that Oracle is actually making the claim against. Why is this shady:
1) If you were to compare the SPARC with the mainframe, the mainframe would blow the SPARC out of the water.
2) A Power server is a LOT smaller than the mainframe, and smaller than the SPARC server as well. It would look bad for Oracle to show their big machine vs. a much smaller IBM box, so what do they do? use a picture of a bigger IBM box.
So shady. It's like the hair club for men "before" and "after" shots, but for servers...
I don't understand your article. Ellison is ranting against marketers and asshole investors, not against true technologists. He clearly states that he has always embraced the tech behind what people term 'the cloud'. In fact, he states that we all have, and that's why he finds the use of some kitschy branding so fucking ridiculous and annoying.
@FaceMelter: Ah, so calling stripped down computers "NCs" wasn't kitschy, and saying they were going to replace PCs wasn't ridiculous, because Larry is a _technologist_ and not a marketer. I wonder what the last thing he coded was.
@Ryan Tate: I don't think the branding of NC was kitschy. In fact, the blunt name probably scared away consumers who were timid to interact with computers, let alone networked ones. After all, wtf is a network to your Average Joe? People still don't even understand the difference between a browser and the internet. The cloud on the other hand ... now that is some approachable shit. Dude, you get to fly.
I concede that the use of the term technologist was some bullshit. Replace that with engineer. Also, even though Larry runs a huge business and doesn't get dirty in the grunt work, the guy is and will always be an engineer.
@Ryan Tate: The same type of person who abuses the term 'platform' from marketing hour to marketing hour every marketing day. They live a life of smells and pretty colors, mostly rendered in Flash, on their 'network computers.'
Marketing is about pushing the limits and in doing so asking for forgiveness rather than permission. You can always stop what you're doing after you get the cease & desist, especially when you "frickin'" Oracle. Or, to use the words of the great LJE himself: lawyers are there to litigate. Why have them focused on avoiding it :)
The last time Sun Microsystems published results on the industry standard On Line Transaction Processing, TPC-C, benchmark was in late 1999.
Sun hasn't published any results on this benchmark since it was setting world records in the late 1990s.
It has been badmouthing this benchmark since early this decade as not being useful and not representative of customer applications. It seems this benchmark may be a "good one" now since Sun may have good results. Sun and Oracle may also publish a very high number, so high as to make a mockery of the benchmark.
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Does a monster trimaran indicate a tiny penis AND testicles? #larryellison
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(It's weird, all this yacht-hate doesn't prevent me from lusting after my own. 47' - 76' will do just fine) #larryellison
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In much the same way that I don't believe that folks will fall for Job's new mythical shiny Newton ^h^h iPud ^h iPad, I don't think folks are falling for the hype of cloud computing. Unless it's 'free'.
The problem right now is that there are more 'marketers' and 'technologists' in tech than Engineers who truly innovate on this side of the pond. And India and China don't innovate the way Silly Valley did pre-Offshore-Boom time.
And now all the bot ^h offshore herders have to fight over is the table scraps, tired ideas from 10 years ago that didn't work then and won't work now. Leading us to this:
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The USA is really heading into a lost decade. And there truly is 'no App for that."
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I didn't know of Larry's circa-1996 position on Network Computers so I'm just thinking about this now...but isn't he kind of right? Doesn't much of the complexity of PCs go underutilized as a feature, and instead just contribute to user problems (resource conflicts, maybe virus infections)? Doesn't much of the code of any operating system or application just lie there dormant and unused...kind of like those endless lists of drivers that WordPerfect used to provide for printers that no one would ever own?
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The person who wrote this article seems unable to differentiate a "forward looking" vision of what will be "big" vs. his critique of just a another relatively new computer term (of which he's heard countless ones like it before).
Find another reason to pick on Lawerence; there are plenty.
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1) If you were to compare the SPARC with the mainframe, the mainframe would blow the SPARC out of the water.
2) A Power server is a LOT smaller than the mainframe, and smaller than the SPARC server as well. It would look bad for Oracle to show their big machine vs. a much smaller IBM box, so what do they do? use a picture of a bigger IBM box.
So shady. It's like the hair club for men "before" and "after" shots, but for servers...
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PS What the heck is a "technologist?"
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I concede that the use of the term technologist was some bullshit. Replace that with engineer. Also, even though Larry runs a huge business and doesn't get dirty in the grunt work, the guy is and will always be an engineer.
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Sun hasn't published any results on this benchmark since it was setting world records in the late 1990s.
It has been badmouthing this benchmark since early this decade as not being useful and not representative of customer applications. It seems this benchmark may be a "good one" now since Sun may have good results. Sun and Oracle may also publish a very high number, so high as to make a mockery of the benchmark.
This action is very duplicitous of Sun.