There was a great post on the blog Scouting New York that compares the "Palazzo" Chupi with Disney World's Tower of Terror. They are truly hewn from the same marble.
I'll say it again: REAL PALAZZOS LOOK NOTHING LIKE THIS AT ALL.
The Federal Reserve building more closely resembles a palazzo but we don't call it (say) "Palazzo Bernanke." (Though that might be cute.) #palazzochupi
@Dickdogfood: This is what the Chinese, French and the Germans mean when they say that the US, "Doesn't have high culture." Mostly the best we can muster as art is a pasticcio of cast off forms done in hot pink.
A great many Renaissance artists and princes were Neoplatonists who believed in a perfect moral order that could be achieved through perfection and discipline of form. The whole of Northern Italy will be turning in their graves right now once they learn that some charlatan from Texas is passing off his shit as their art.
(And have you seen the Diving bell and the butterfly? It's the most overrated film in the last decade. It's one of those films that people like merely because they think they need to like it for its being boring and overlong yet still constructed with arty mannerisms.)
Schnabel was right to be offended. It was a cheap shot about a guy with whom he clearly has an acrimonious history. To call him a hack as an artist, is ridiculous considering how subjective the modern art world is. They said the same about Picasso. But to ascend to the heights of that world is an accomplishment devoid of favoritism, unlike television news (Safer, King, Rooney, etc.). And to go from fine art, to films and succeed at that level with Oscar noms, and Palms d'Or, is proof that the guy is talented as hell. It's like if you have a friend over and he says, as you begin to eat, "you know, John thinks you're a phoney." It serves no other purpose, other than getting a reaction.
When I lived in the West Village in the 90s, I used to run into Schnabel at the local video store. He was usually dressed in a bathrobe with one or more of his kids in tow. A very nice, very friendly guy. His point about Safer was that he was trying to use Hughes as a stand-in for anyone who wanted to criticize Schnabel's art, without venturing an opinion himself. Rather than saying, "I think your art sucks," he merely used the tired FOX News ploy of saying, "Some would say your art sucks. Your reaction?" Schnabel had a perfectly reasonable response.
@Aaron Altman: I wish Mike Wallace had sneaked up behind Schnabel, grabbed him in a chokehold and then he and Safer beat him with one of his own hideous creations. That's family entertainment.
@scroll_lock: It's broken like a plate on Schnabel's canvas, love. I'm sure Intern Kaila (is she still there? Honest question) is already working on it! And HAH, smashing pumpkin. I'd better not make a Gallagher joke about your, um, nevermind. :-)
Today's Independent has a review of part of an exhibition dedicated to art in the '80's. The reviewer isn't too impressed at how Schnabel's work has held up and concludes:
"It's a valuable show, though, not for the work, but for the lesson. Here's fast-track posterity doom, and all within living memory. What it teaches is not so much that reputations rise and fall - we knew that - but how at any time, and all the time, we need to believe. There must always be something coming along to keep up our faith in art, to keep the show on the road, and we can't be too choosy about what we pin this faith to."
"Lazy?" Uncle Morley always does his homework and, besides, he wouldn't hurt a flea. Schnabel is a bitter, increasingly irrelevant jackass. Any "artist" who cynically hopscotches from dishes art to film-making to condo-development should assume the world might be inclined to rank those endeavors. Besides, didn't it occur to the Tortured Artiste back in the 80s that his kitsch art might not age very well and could even, someday, begin falling apart like an old Datsun?
An artist friend tells me that those Schnabel canvases tend to decompose, meaning that the plates fall off at 3 am, shattering on the marble floors that plutocrat Schnabel collectors are so likely to have. Once awakened, Schnabel-suckered rich people have a hard time getting back to sleep, as they toss and turn, wondering if they should have spent so much money on something that looks like the aftermath of an explosion in a Pottery Barn. His movies are pretty bad, too, except for Jeffrey Wright's stoned bike ride in Basquiat.
@regisgoat: Maybe they just comfort themselves with the idea that their rotting overpriced art is a searing statement about the transitory nature of objects...especially relevant in today's crumbling economy.
Or the walls of the manse are so thick they don't hear a thing.
@regisgoat: They shed plates like a dog sheds fleas, and weigh a goddamn ton. In other words, they are a total nightmare for any poor soul who needs to put a hand to them. I have to disagree on the film critique, I actually think his films are quite wonderful and devoid of his own ego. Perhaps because he is relatively new to the medium, he has no gotcha-isms that smack "SCHNABEL MADE THIS" in your face. Diving Bell and the Butterfly has it's flaws but overall was an effective, interesting and touching film that I don't think any other film maker would have taken on. Having met Schnabel on a few occasions, he is quite charming in person. I'm surprised he doesn't have a smidgen of admiration for Robert Hughes, who is often regarded as being as huge an asshole as Schnabel is. Game should recognize game.
Safer trashed the contemporary art world in a 60-Minutes segment in the early 90s. Funny how he has no problem sucking up (or at least trying to suck up) to a contemporary artist who goes Hollywood.
@RevHalofan: To be fair, it's really really hard to believe that Safer could still remember that.
Dude's getting on in years. And those years aren't even his own. He seems to be getting on in somebody else's years. Maybe he learned Andy Rooney's trick of draining the life force from orphans?
@RevHalofan: When I was young, I thought of "60 Minutes" as being a show by old people giving their old people view of the world to other old people. But now I'm old and they are even older and I still can't bear to watch it. Especially Andy Rooney.
I wonder if they'll have a show exposing Old Journalists traveling to impoverished eastern European countries to adopt orphans for their vigorous life-giving fluids?
@Tart of Darkness: Andy Rooney's pretty much indestructible. He's got such an advanced mastery of his super curmudgeon skills that his senility actually takes the form of those ridiculous complaints about getting 2 paper cups from the coffee place, or how green plants aren't as green as they were when he was young.
@pureblarney: By the standards of television news (faint praise, I know), "60 Minutes" has often been very good. It seems to be fading after Don Hewitt's departure, and it was sensational, superficial and sometimes unfair, but they did stuff that no one else did.
For example, they may have been the only TV news program to venture outside the U.S. before 9/11. They interviewed Musharraf shortly after his coup, they did a piece on Turkmenistan and its late crazy dictator's personality cult, etc. And watching Mike Wallace ambush crooked auto repairmen was high entertainment.
Last night's program took us inside Aramco's huge new oilfield, and though it was dumbed-down PR for the Saudis on one level, it told you some useful things you're not going to see on cable news.
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@i'm a bottle: #palazzochupi
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The Federal Reserve building more closely resembles a palazzo but we don't call it (say) "Palazzo Bernanke." (Though that might be cute.) #palazzochupi
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A great many Renaissance artists and princes were Neoplatonists who believed in a perfect moral order that could be achieved through perfection and discipline of form. The whole of Northern Italy will be turning in their graves right now once they learn that some charlatan from Texas is passing off his shit as their art.
(And have you seen the Diving bell and the butterfly? It's the most overrated film in the last decade. It's one of those films that people like merely because they think they need to like it for its being boring and overlong yet still constructed with arty mannerisms.)
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Uh, Julian, he's dead.
And you're comparing yourself to Brando?
Now, you don't have a big ego, do you.
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(hey, what's with the whole PM system not working? I've been trying to reply to people and can't)
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"It's a valuable show, though, not for the work, but for the lesson. Here's fast-track posterity doom, and all within living memory. What it teaches is not so much that reputations rise and fall - we knew that - but how at any time, and all the time, we need to believe. There must always be something coming along to keep up our faith in art, to keep the show on the road, and we can't be too choosy about what we pin this faith to."
[www.independent.co.uk]
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Or the walls of the manse are so thick they don't hear a thing.
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Dude's getting on in years. And those years aren't even his own. He seems to be getting on in somebody else's years. Maybe he learned Andy Rooney's trick of draining the life force from orphans?
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I wonder if they'll have a show exposing Old Journalists traveling to impoverished eastern European countries to adopt orphans for their vigorous life-giving fluids?
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It's sort of a hyper-functioning alzheimer's.
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It's sort of a hyper-functioning alzheimer's.
A.k.a. the Get Off My Lawn Effect.
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For example, they may have been the only TV news program to venture outside the U.S. before 9/11. They interviewed Musharraf shortly after his coup, they did a piece on Turkmenistan and its late crazy dictator's personality cult, etc. And watching Mike Wallace ambush crooked auto repairmen was high entertainment.
Last night's program took us inside Aramco's huge new oilfield, and though it was dumbed-down PR for the Saudis on one level, it told you some useful things you're not going to see on cable news.
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