I'm going to go with Jacques Daguerre. Or better yet, Frederick Scott Archer, for creating a negative wherein a limitless supply of photographs could be made, presumably of Taylor Momsen's underwear. Damn you, you son of a bitch! You knew what you were doing!
Possibly it's true underage girls upskirt photos shouldn't be published (although see other comments wondering how underwear is different than bikini), but damn, Little J had to see this one coming when she went around flashing cameras. Duh.
At the risk of sounding like a total creep, I would have to say that while sixteen-year-old girls are not of age and should therefore be entirely off-limits to skeevy photogs and drooling perverts, Taylor Momsen is a perfectly attractive young woman and if you'd told me she was 19, I would have believed you. 16 is the age of consent in most of Europe for that reason - people who find physically mature girls attractive are not the same as people who trawl playgrounds for 9-year-olds.
@Perhaps Not: The age of consent is 14 in Hawaii & a few other states, and 16 in a lot of places here. Still, us Americans love to pretend no one's an adult until waaaay into their 20s. That's why we still hold the highest drinking age in the world - bar none.
Though, funnily enough, no one here can live with their parents past 22 and not be considered creepy. "Get out of the house, but you're still a kid!"
@Paul_Is_Drunk: heh, why do these types of posts always elicit a couple of these "well, the age of consent is X in this county, this state, this country! We're such prudes!" What, you just ran across these little tidbits reading the local paper?
The reason why the drinking age is 21 is because the US is the only country large enough to necessitate cars, AND wealthy enough that almost every 16-year-old drives one. I've lived enough in Europe to know that DUI there is easily avoidable--not so in the flyover states.
Also, the drinking age would HAVE to be lower in a country where people more commonly stay at home into their twenties, because if I hadn't moved out at 18, I definitely would have had to hit the bottle every day. I love my mother, but damn.
@18thCFox: The drinking age is 21 because some MADD mothers became politically active, the conservative and christrian lobbies wanted to co-op them; Ronald Reagan had issues with young people in general, along with his own children particular and because his father had been an alcoholic.
Cars, licenses and whatnot might be cited now, but the drinking age was mostly raised for purely political reasons and as a backlash toward the permissive 70s.
@18thCFox: I've also in Europe (moving back this December), and honestly, it's just because they've spent 3,000+ years surrounded by alcohol. They know it's not a big deal.
The Puritans who came to the states to flee persecution to develop their even stronger form of persecution are they ones who tried to outlaw drinking, and barring that, making it very, very hard.
The car thing is very recent. Alcohol is much older.
I don't really see why this is a big deal. I mean, I clicked on this post, but I didn't bother to click through to see the oh-so-scandalous real thing. Wasn't she dancing around in her bra in one episode? Who really cares about seeing these pictures anyway, and why? (The answer is not straight guys -- let's be honest about the core audiences of these websites).
It'd be a completely different matter if there were bare bits, but if what's exposed is something one would see on a (non-French Rivera) beach, it gets a pass in my eyes.
Thought experiment. Girl (boy) in bikini (water polo Speedos). Sixteen- or thirty-year-old, it's all perfectly OK.
Wrap a towel around her/him and s/he sits down so there's a glimpse of the swimwear from a certain angle. Still OK. Routine, even.
Compare to the above. It's the same, except the context.
And if it's context-related, it's the problem of the viewer, or of the parents who most assuredly had to sign off on the photo releases. Shades of Annie's Miley Cirus shoot, all over again.
Can't we focus on what matters: Gossip Girl b-l-o-w-s!
People put on swimming suits knowing (for better or worse) they'll be looked at, if not scrutinized.
And unless Ms. Momsen has started tweeting her morning dress routine, she probably didn't expect to be "on display" in quite that way. That's the difference.
@AndPreciousLittleofThat: Except if you are wearing a skirt that barely covers your rear, then you have to be aware that your reasonable expectation of privacy has been shortened. "Up skirt" are pervs trying to slide cameras under ANY woman's skirt. That's heinous. Not being able to sit like a lady is your problem.
@AndPreciousLittleofThat: Except one would hope that most girls would be a bit more demure when wearing a short skirt. She looks like she was purposely flashing people.
@AndPreciousLittleofThat: The pix were taken on set, which is a controlled environment, which leads one to reasonably expect these were official, even actively participated by Momsen and her guardians/agents.
Who are now cynically playing the "Oh Noes, children" card to hype her client. Successfully, which irks reasonable people.
It's FAR from a situation of, say, a gym changing room. Hence no expectation of privacy.
Back to the point: if she wore bikini-bottoms instead, would the picture be any different? No.
@Trai_Dep: In what alternate universe is an outdoor television set a "controlled environment?" Or have paparazzi been successfully banned in NYC since last week?
Occam's razor says you're wrong. No conspiracy. Plus, the picture WOULD be demonstrably different if she were wearing bikini bottoms. Context in a picture is crucial. If she were at the beach, you'd have a case. As is, she's not Lady Gaga.
@AndPreciousLittleofThat: I can't tell if you're being sarcastic. I don't want to blame the victim, but my mom sure as hell would have told me to keep my legs together.
@Wrapitup: My question, too. I can only surmise said parents are having drinks with Dina and Michael Lohan.
And btw, I think it's finally time for Gawker to come to terms with the fact that those pictures of Jen Aniston were in no way, shape, or form of her "lady flower."
I'll preface what I'm about to say with the caveat that publishing salacious pictures of minors is obviously wrong, in any context.
That being said, I think it's kind of bizarre how we fetishize garments in one context vs. another, and that this fetishization alone can dictate what society deems "moral" or "immoral" about them.
To wit: If she were photographed sitting in a red bikini on the beach, there would be nothing specifically "perverse" about it. But if that same red bikini bottom were photographed being worn under a skirt, it would suddenly become a pair of "red panties" and become perverse.
@MisterHippity: Thats an intriguing point. I have thought of this myself on occasion due to the "scandal" of photographs of women in bra's and/or panties, and yet a bikini often covers less than than these undergarments, yet isn't questioned.
@MisterHippity: Because perhaps context places it as whether it is salacious or not? Miley in a bikini= fun girl at beach! Miley wrapped in a sheet looking come hither= Lolita.
This girl in a bikini= fun girl at beach! This same girl's panties being photographed while she is sitting down= voyeurism.
In one case the person knows what they are doing, they are going to the beach! In the other case they are victim's of other people's sexualization of them.
@pony_express: "This girl in a bikini= fun girl at beach! This same girl's panties being photographed while she is sitting down= voyeurism."
But that's entirely my point. Such distinctions are totally arbitrary. The "context" you describe is entirely dependent on society's fetishization of certain garments. Call it a bathing suit and its totally modest and routine thing to see. Call it "underwear" (or that most fetishized word/garment of all time, "panties"), and suddenly it's "***whoo-hoo-sexxxytime-hot-hot-baby-YOWZA-w...***."
And the two garments are basically the same in terms of appearance and body-coverage.
The only difference -- the or "context" as you put it -- is our own joint fantasies/perversions as a society.
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Though, funnily enough, no one here can live with their parents past 22 and not be considered creepy. "Get out of the house, but you're still a kid!"
What the world must think of us sometimes...
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The reason why the drinking age is 21 is because the US is the only country large enough to necessitate cars, AND wealthy enough that almost every 16-year-old drives one. I've lived enough in Europe to know that DUI there is easily avoidable--not so in the flyover states.
Also, the drinking age would HAVE to be lower in a country where people more commonly stay at home into their twenties, because if I hadn't moved out at 18, I definitely would have had to hit the bottle every day. I love my mother, but damn.
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Cars, licenses and whatnot might be cited now, but the drinking age was mostly raised for purely political reasons and as a backlash toward the permissive 70s.
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The Puritans who came to the states to flee persecution to develop their even stronger form of persecution are they ones who tried to outlaw drinking, and barring that, making it very, very hard.
The car thing is very recent. Alcohol is much older.
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Thought experiment. Girl (boy) in bikini (water polo Speedos). Sixteen- or thirty-year-old, it's all perfectly OK.
Wrap a towel around her/him and s/he sits down so there's a glimpse of the swimwear from a certain angle. Still OK. Routine, even.
Compare to the above. It's the same, except the context.
And if it's context-related, it's the problem of the viewer, or of the parents who most assuredly had to sign off on the photo releases. Shades of Annie's Miley Cirus shoot, all over again.
Can't we focus on what matters: Gossip Girl b-l-o-w-s!
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People put on swimming suits knowing (for better or worse) they'll be looked at, if not scrutinized.
And unless Ms. Momsen has started tweeting her morning dress routine, she probably didn't expect to be "on display" in quite that way. That's the difference.
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Who are now cynically playing the "Oh Noes, children" card to hype her client. Successfully, which irks reasonable people.
It's FAR from a situation of, say, a gym changing room. Hence no expectation of privacy.
Back to the point: if she wore bikini-bottoms instead, would the picture be any different? No.
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Occam's razor says you're wrong. No conspiracy. Plus, the picture WOULD be demonstrably different if she were wearing bikini bottoms. Context in a picture is crucial. If she were at the beach, you'd have a case. As is, she's not Lady Gaga.
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And btw, I think it's finally time for Gawker to come to terms with the fact that those pictures of Jen Aniston were in no way, shape, or form of her "lady flower."
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That being said, I think it's kind of bizarre how we fetishize garments in one context vs. another, and that this fetishization alone can dictate what society deems "moral" or "immoral" about them.
To wit: If she were photographed sitting in a red bikini on the beach, there would be nothing specifically "perverse" about it. But if that same red bikini bottom were photographed being worn under a skirt, it would suddenly become a pair of "red panties" and become perverse.
Am I the only one who finds this strange?
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This girl in a bikini= fun girl at beach! This same girl's panties being photographed while she is sitting down= voyeurism.
In one case the person knows what they are doing, they are going to the beach! In the other case they are victim's of other people's sexualization of them.
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But that's entirely my point. Such distinctions are totally arbitrary. The "context" you describe is entirely dependent on society's fetishization of certain garments. Call it a bathing suit and its totally modest and routine thing to see. Call it "underwear" (or that most fetishized word/garment of all time, "panties"), and suddenly it's "***whoo-hoo-sexxxytime-hot-hot-baby-YOWZA-w...***."
And the two garments are basically the same in terms of appearance and body-coverage.
The only difference -- the or "context" as you put it -- is our own joint fantasies/perversions as a society.
I just find that strange. Always have.