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    Jews Angry at Not Being Invited to Barack's Power Seder

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    Image of BookishLookish BookishLookish
    04/09/09

    In reply to Jews Angry at Not Being Invited to Barack's Power Seder
    Give me a break, John Cook. The food at seder is delicious and so is the wine and so is the company. Go eat ham on whitebread.
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    Image of adiam7 adiam7
    04/09/09

    In reply to Jews Angry at Not Being Invited to Barack's Power Seder
    I am shocked that he is the first president to hold a seder at the White House. I would have gotten this wrong if I ever by some miracle of God ended up on Cash Cab. I am not Jewish but I have been to a seder or two in my time. I must say that I like the Sephardic cooking better. This should expose some parts of America and maybe even Alaska to something different. THis makes me want to go put on my brother's copy of The Jewish Hammer


    Shabbat Shalom Mamma

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    04/09/09

    @adiam7: That's The Hebrew Hammer, white boy.
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    Image of Spirit Fingers Spirit Fingers
    04/09/09

    In reply to Jews Angry at Not Being Invited to Barack's Power Seder
    Is the food and wine really that bad? Is so, why consume and imbibe it? Are there no seder-ready Whoppers or Chik-fil-A sandwiches approved? How sacrilegious would it be to bring a Rabbi to a Burger King?
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    Image of Monkeyrash Monkeyrash
    04/09/09

    @Spirit Fingers: And the wine, if you choke down enough of it don't you get to a point where taste doesn't really matter anymore?
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    04/09/09

    @Spirit Fingers: The only seders where I've had bad food is large institution run seders like at my college or the synagogue. Seders in homes comes with great food. The most literal construction related food is made by combining walnuts, apples, cinnamon and wine. But there are many types of food you can't eat, because you are supposed to remember the suffering.


    Kosher wine has gotten better over the years, but many have not received the memo.

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    04/09/09

    In reply to Jews Angry at Not Being Invited to Barack's Power Seder
    and such small portions
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    04/09/09

    @if_i_only_had_a_heart: ZING!
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    04/09/09

    @pufflehuff: I need to stop doing that when I appreciate a comment.
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    Image of Bitrex Bitrex
    04/09/09

    In reply to Jews Angry at Not Being Invited to Barack's Power Seder
    There was a PBS special about a Brooklyn family's Seder the other night. The part I dropped in on consisted of footage of some elderly women arguing with a butcher over a cut of lamb(?) for about 20 minutes.
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    Image of TheUptightMidwesterner TheUptightMidwesterner
    04/09/09

    @Bitrex: I love that show- I always tune in at that spot and never get to watch the whole thing.
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    Image of MyraCaballa MyraCaballa
    04/09/09

    In reply to Jews Angry at Not Being Invited to Barack's Power Seder
    I'm not sure Obama's even baptized. That might not count for much among the Jews, but it does indicate a certain indifference to the technical requirements of worship. He simply can't put on a make believe Seder. Or it's like taking Communion whilst still knowingly carrying the burden of unconfessed sin, which is a vey bad thing.
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    Image of GregorMendel GregorMendel
    04/09/09

    @MyraCaballa: Oh, really? What is a "make-beleive seder?" A seder is a seder.


    Facebook.

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    Image of The One The One
    04/09/09

    @GregorMendel: "A seder is a seder."


    Not true. Not at all.

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    Image of DreamingInGreen DreamingInGreen
    04/09/09

    @MyraCaballa: I won't claim to follow Obama's baptismal history or know whether various Christian denominations would technically consider him Christian enough (though I doubt much of the Obama-religion-doubting since he's been attacked as a Muslim and a non-American since the start of his campaign.)


    However, as for the "make-believe"-ness seder, I'm sure he had good religious guidance, seeing as how Michelle has a Rabbi in her family:


    [www.nytimes.com]


    And, as a Jew, I'm pretty excited to see this development. They're the American First Family and showing some respect in learning about/exposing themselves to non-Christian aspects of America (besides a damn menorah, which has minimal-to-no religious importance in the Jewish faith). I hope to see similar treatment of important Muslim, Hindu and other holidays as well.


    At the best seder I ever organized, there were 13 goyim and 3 Jews. I'm pretty sure God forgave us all for any religious unorthodoxies.

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    04/09/09

    @DreamingInGreen: Shonda!
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    Image of Iron Gossett Jr. Iron Gossett Jr.
    04/09/09

    @Spirit Fingers: The matzah soup is pretty damn good usually. The rest? Eh, not so much.
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    04/09/09

    @RealTomatoKetchup: Depends on who's cooking the dinner. Sure, the ritual stuff isn't particularly tasty, but the quality of the actual dinner can be quite amazing.
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    Image of GuyBitchy GuyBitchy
    04/09/09

    In reply to Jews Angry at Not Being Invited to Barack's Power Seder
    Guess he'll have to make it up to them by delaying the AIPAC trial yet again.
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    Image of iplaudius iplaudius
    04/09/09

    In reply to Jews Angry at Not Being Invited to Barack's Power Seder
    1. Any Jew worth his salt will be with his family on Passover, duh.

    2. There’s a lot of good kosher and kosher for Passover wine out there. The vineyards in northern israel produce a lot of good wine (which you may or may not consider kosher once shipped to the U.S., depending on how it gets here and how strictly you observe laws of handling wine). There is also decent kosher wine produced in CA and NY.
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    04/09/09

    @iplaudius:


    Not being Jewish, I would like to ask which brands/vineyards, so I can get it on sale next week.

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    04/09/09

    @Smitros: Ha, you’re probably just making a good joke, but, just in case, I should say that I don’t think the good stuff goes on sale. Check out Yarden wines and the lesser sister brands of the Golan Height Winery. I like the Yarden Pinot Noir 2004, which is kosher for Passover. This site has good recommendations.
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    04/09/09

    @iplaudius:


    No joke, actually, I'm just a cheap bastard.


    I appreciate the tips.

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    Image of DJ Large Dog DJ Large Dog
    04/09/09

    @iplaudius: Wine has to be boiled/pasteurized to be kosher.
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    04/09/09

    @DJ Large Dog: Wowzers! I really am not Jewish, or even slightly even in the know. Happy holidays! x
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    04/09/09

    @DJ Large Dog: I am not expert in this matter, but I can tell you that while all boiled wine is or should be considered kosher, not all kosher wine need be boiled.


    Wine only has to be boiled if non-Jews or non-observant Jews touch or handle it directly or in unsealed containers.


    The extended discussions of wine in the Talmud (link) indicate that the tradition of boiling wine is ancient. I will attempt to summarize (please keep in mind I am no authority). Wine is considered holy by many peoples and used accordingly in religious rituals. Jews are forbidden to benefit from anything that can be used for idolatrous purposes. In the ancient world, wine was regularly used for idolatrous rituals. Therefore, if a non-Jew or an unobservant Jew was involved in the creation of wine, it was impossible to know whether the wine could have been created with the intention to be to used for idolatrous purposes. The question was particularly serious when the requirement of temple offerings and tithes to the priest caste are considered: one would surely not want to bring into the Temple wine that had been produced with the intention, however small, of idolatrous use.


    Here is a typical scenario for non-boiled kosher wine: a family of observant Jews owns a small plot of land, on which they grow grapes and from which they produce wine. It’s kosher: there is no need to boil it. (In the time of the Temple in the land of Israel, for it to be kosher, they would also have to give a portion of their wine to the priests at the Temple, and some of the fruit to the poor, leave the land unworked every seventh year, etc.)

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    Image of Uncle_Billy_Slumming Uncle_Billy_Slumming
    04/10/09

    @iplaudius: The truth is that the real difference between kosher wine and non-kosher wine is about a $5,000 donation to the local rabbinate.
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    04/10/09

    @Uncle_Billy_Slumming:


    For $20,000 you could get Baba Sali to leap out his grave and grant a one time exemption on cheeseburgers.

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    Image of City_Dater City_Dater
    04/09/09

    In reply to Jews Angry at Not Being Invited to Barack's Power Seder
    Shouldn't these complainers be with their families?
    Yes, dinner (even that food) at the White House would be way cool, but who would want to be the grandchild forced to explain to nearly deaf Aunt Sadie why he or she will not be there to ask the questions?
    (Never mind why there isn't a great-grandchild to do it yet...)
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    Image of Mama Penguino Mama Penguino
    04/09/09

    @City_Dater: And who could find the Afikoman in that place? I'd be too afraid of losing Little P in the Blue Room.
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    04/09/09

    @Mama Penguino: Don't worry. They probably got the "Not Kosher for Passover" matzos anyway. The market next door has that kind, and only that kind.
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    04/09/09

    In reply to Jews Angry at Not Being Invited to Barack's Power Seder
    That's OK. We'll just sit at home. Alone. In the dark.
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    Image of BadUncle BadUncle
    04/09/09

    In reply to Jews Angry at Not Being Invited to Barack's Power Seder
    So where's Rahm Emmanuel having his shofar blown?
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    Image of MrInBetween MrInBetween
    04/09/09

    In reply to Jews Angry at Not Being Invited to Barack's Power Seder
    Eric Lesser, a campaign baggage handler, is on the guest list. When the uninvited mob hears that, there will be... hell... to... pay.
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    Image of saythatscool saythatscool
    04/09/09

    In reply to Jews Angry at Not Being Invited to Barack's Power Seder
    John Cook, I know you're trying fuck with me now. And it's working.
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    Image of Lucille van Pelt Lucille van Pelt
    04/09/09

    In reply to Jews Angry at Not Being Invited to Barack's Power Seder
    Kosher for Passover wine has gotten much better over the years. I was able to drink an entire glass last night!
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    Image of Mama Penguino Mama Penguino
    04/09/09

    @Lucille van Pelt: Me, too. I was belting it down like crazy and felt sad about losing drops for the plagues.
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    Image of Carol Gardens Carol Gardens
    04/09/09

    @Mama Penguino: I always thought that supersweet syrupy stuff was specified somewhere in the scriptures, but apparently not. We had a lovely Cabernet Sauvignon.
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