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    Image of Rozelle’s Bagman Rozelle’s Bagman
    12/15/09

    In reply to Pretty New Covers for Pretty Old Books
    Nabokov, natch, took an active interest in the dust jacket and paperback cover art, liking most end products, pissing on some others.

    [therumpus.net]
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    Image of the_pants the_pants
    12/15/09

    In reply to Pretty New Covers for Pretty Old Books
    Hmmmm. With a name like Vladimir Nabokov, the books need more vampires on the covers. I only read books with vampires on the covers. Just throw a few vampires on the covers and we're good.
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    12/15/09

    @the_pants:
    ...or Zombies.
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    Image of eatsshootsleaves eatsshootsleaves
    12/15/09

    In reply to Pretty New Covers for Pretty Old Books
    So we're all pretentious literary twats here, right? That's what I thought.

    So anyway, apart from Pale Fire and Lolita, what are his best works? I've read Pnin (meh) and his biography of Gogol. What now? Speak, Memory?

    I also started Invitation to a Beheading but I found it hard to get into.
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    Image of contains_hot_liquid contains_hot_liquid
    12/15/09

    @eatsshootsleaves: Speak, Memory might be his best book.

    Also: Laughter in the Dark, the complete short stories (economical!), Invitation to a Beheading. Hard to go wrong, really, but save Ada or Ardor for when you've got a broken leg or something.
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    Image of Perhaps Not Perhaps Not
    12/15/09

    @eatsshootsleaves: Ada, or Ardor will utterly break your brain, but it's wonderful. Agreed with C_H_L, save for lengthy bedrest but by all means read.
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    Image of Rozelle’s Bagman Rozelle’s Bagman
    12/15/09

    @eatsshootsleaves: Read his Lectures on Literature.
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    Image of rumpofsteelskin rumpofsteelskin
    12/15/09

    In reply to Pretty New Covers for Pretty Old Books
    Literacy rates are one marker of a society; however, this may only mean that people have Harry Potter and not Nabokov as their highest achievement. True art will always be for the elite. Even when we tell ourselves we are literate as a society, we are simply establishing a very low bar. God I sound pretentious; someone please shoot me.
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    blix promoted this comment rumpofsteelskin was starred rumpofsteelskin was unstarred
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    12/15/09

    @rumpofsteelskin: No shoot, promote.
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    Image of rumpofsteelskin rumpofsteelskin
    12/15/09

    @blix: Thanks for the no-shoot blix. That is grounds for friendship in my book.
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    Image of nehru nehru
    12/15/09

    @rumpofsteelskin: Maybe, but in the case of Nabokov, I stopped reading his work after he misquoted Tolstoy at the begining of 'Ada.' Perhaps you can clarify this for me.
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    Image of rumpofsteelskin rumpofsteelskin
    12/15/09

    @nehru: So your saying misquote = non-art? Ha ha, that would be funny if it were true. Sounds like you are more interested in scholarship than art, which is fine. I have only started reading the Nabokov oeuvre, in any case, I will let you know when I get to Ada.
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    Image of westvillagegirl (exiled in chicago) westvillagegirl (exiled in chicago)
    12/15/09

    @nehru: Hmm, any chance that could have been a translation issue? I mean, he's the only author I can think of that wrote (well) in three different languages. I'm inclined to give him a pass.
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    Image of nehru nehru
    12/15/09

    @westvillagegirl (exiled in chicago): He inverts the meaning of the happy families quote from the begining of Anna Karenina. I've read some criticism that suggests it was done deliberately, but I didn't find the argument convincing. Anyway, I was never a lit student, so I'm open to more info.
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    vanka-vstanka promoted this comment nehru was starred nehru was unstarred
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    12/16/09

    @nehru: Well, first of all, Ada doesn't take place on Earth as we know it, it takes place on Antiterra. Second of all, you wouldn't even be able to graduate from the Russian public school system unless you could quote it properly, so the fact you think Nabokov, a literary genius who taught Russian literature at leading American universities, would accidentally misquote Tolstoy is baffling. Nabokov planned all of his books meticulously, the way he played chess. Much of Ada is devoted to word games and literary allusions, and knowing what is just a little bit "off" about the references is the whole fun.

    Also, I've read that the "misquote" at Ada is a jab at crappy Russian translations, a la Constance Garnett. But Ada itself was originally written in English, like all of Nabokov's works after The Gift. So it wouldn't be a mistranslation on the translator of Nabokov's part, especially since, going either way (Russian to English or English to Russian), the bulk of Nabokov has been translated either by the man himself or his son.

    I mean, I guess my basic point is that if you can't see the deliberateness of what Nabokov does, leave the poor man alone and read Tolstoy. I hate Tolstoy.
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    Image of TroisFilles TroisFilles
    12/15/09

    In reply to Pretty New Covers for Pretty Old Books
    I hate new covers. The original cover usually represented a snapshot in time. Who the heck wants to read a Nancy Drew book with Nancy all fat and in low rise jeans with a big fat muffintop belly? Nancy wears dresses and gloves dammit. HATE NEW COVERS!
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    DahlELama promoted this comment TroisFilles was starred TroisFilles was unstarred
    Image of DahlELama DahlELama
    12/15/09

    @TroisFilles: Mostly agree, and the really iconic ones should never be touched, but these are just so pretty...
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    Image of Botswana Meat Commission FC Botswana Meat Commission FC
    12/15/09

    @DahlELama: Blue and white "Great Gatsby" has to be in the paperback pantheon.
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    Image of DahlELama DahlELama
    12/15/09

    @Botswana Meat Commission FC: That was exactly the cover I was picturing when I said "the really iconic ones," actually.
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    Image of Perhaps Not Perhaps Not
    12/15/09

    @TroisFilles: The old covers to "Ada, or Ardor" and "Pale Fire" and most of the Vintage Nabokov were bad enough to make me consider replacing the books with these pretty new ones, actually.
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    Edited by Perhaps Not at 12/15/09 4:29 PM Perhaps Not was starred Perhaps Not was unstarred
    Image of Menardo Menardo
    12/15/09

    In reply to Pretty New Covers for Pretty Old Books
    High-end graphics for paperbacks and republishing backlist isn't "a trend" or some desperate, last ditch effort to sell books. It's actually what publishers have been doing for the sixty-or-so years since paperbacks came into the marketplace.

    Nice that you've started to notice, though....
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    DahlELama promoted this comment Menardo was starred Menardo was unstarred
    Image of DahlELama DahlELama
    12/15/09

    @Menardo: This is true, but I think it's rather unusual to an author's (near) entire list at once, no? And I love the art itself; much better than the movie-release covers I'm so sick of seeing.
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    Image of BookishLookish BookishLookish
    12/15/09

    @Menardo: True. I like the scene in "The Seven Year Itch" when they remake the covers for classics like "Little Women" and they are really sexed up like pulp novels. Gotta make those kids read!
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    Image of blix blix
    12/15/09

    @BookishLatkeish: I'm holding out for "Crime & Punishment & Zombies".
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    Image of chickachicka chickachicka
    12/15/09

    @Menardo: @DahlELama: Vintage has one of the best backlist repackaging campaigns I've ever seen. Granted, their author list is out of this world (Camus, Garcia Marquez, Nabokov, Achebe, etc.), but they have an amazing backlist program, in which many of their authors have a distinct look that is updated every so often.

    You're right that it's commonplace to repackage, but I don't know many other publishers who do it with the same success as Vintage books.
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    contains_hot_liquid promoted this comment chickachicka was starred chickachicka was unstarred
    Image of contains_hot_liquid contains_hot_liquid
    12/15/09

    @blix: And then there's Tutis, a publisher that is the opposite of everything we're talking about here. They are fucking amazing.

    The Caustic Cover Critic, which is a great blog, has been following them for a bit now.

    [causticcovercritic.blogspot.com]

    Highly amusing.
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    Edited by contains_hot_liquid at 12/15/09 1:44 PM contains_hot_liquid was starred contains_hot_liquid was unstarred
    Image of blix blix
    12/15/09

    @contains_hot_liquid: Thanks, servicey! Who knew Franz Liszt was a blues guitarist?
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    Image of BookishLookish BookishLookish
    12/15/09

    @contains_hot_liquid: Cool, thanks.

    Can we keep this thread going? I am trying to lure smithhimself out of hiding, I miss him terribly.
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    Image of itsalwaysthequietones itsalwaysthequietones
    12/15/09

    @contains_hot_liquid: I have tears running down my face!
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    Image of contains_hot_liquid contains_hot_liquid
    12/15/09

    @chickachicka: Vintage can be great, but also terrible. They completely failed Philip K. Dick with those gold computerish covers (though those books are gonna sell anyway).
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    Image of manchops manchops
    12/15/09

    In reply to Pretty New Covers for Pretty Old Books
    Oh, the words aren't all that big, give it a shot.
    Hey gawker--how about crediting the artists/designers? They're pretty amazing looking.
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    Image of AzureTexan AzureTexan
    12/15/09

    In reply to Pretty New Covers for Pretty Old Books
    I'm confused. They're actually asking me to judge a book by its cover now?
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    Image of miss_msry miss_msry
    12/15/09

    @[gawker.com]

    It's working for me. "Invitation to a Beheading? here I come.

    Damn those marketing genii.
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    Edited by miss_msry at 12/15/09 3:10 PM miss_msry was starred miss_msry was unstarred
    Image of AzureTexan AzureTexan
    12/15/09

    @miss_msry: . . . with cover art by Tobe Hooper and George A. Romero.
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    Image of pony_express pony_express
    12/15/09

    In reply to Pretty New Covers for Pretty Old Books
    Decades ago People magazine reviewed Nabakov and every middle class couple felt it there duty to read Lolita so they could appear literate at cocktail parties. All we need is to somehow get Paris Hilton to run around with a copy of Ulysses or the like and a new generation of readers would be born.
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    AzureTexan promoted this comment Edited by pony_express at 12/15/09 1:06 PM pony_express was starred pony_express was unstarred
    Image of AzureTexan AzureTexan
    12/15/09

    @pony_express: . . . or at least a generation of people who, unable to go on, have permanently bookmarked Ulysses at around page 282 or so.
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    Image of pony_express pony_express
    12/15/09

    @AzureTexan: Ha! I got to the last section and somehow never finished it myself. I've been told that Penelope is the best chapter too.
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    12/15/09

    @pony_express: Me, I'm still waiting for 'em to make a movie out of the Cliff's Notes.
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    Image of pony_express pony_express
    12/15/09

    @AzureTexan: Technically-- the BBC did. It's actually not half bad to watch-- screen shots of Dublin with a lot of voice over. Got me through the seminar class and a 15 page paper on the subject.
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    Edited by pony_express at 12/15/09 1:36 PM pony_express was starred pony_express was unstarred
    Image of MyNameIsChris MyNameIsChris
    12/15/09

    @AzureTexan: So old school... this generation has moved on to not finishing Infinite Jest.
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    Image of Seeräuber Jenny Seeräuber Jenny
    12/15/09

    What, no Mary (Mashenka)?

    The covers are interesting.
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    Image of AzureTexan AzureTexan
    12/15/09

    @pony_express: Really? I'll have to check it out, provided I get a pint of stout with a bowl of Irish stew.

    P.S. In high school I was assigned to write a report on "Tess of the d'Urbervilles." What high-school boy is going to read "Tess of the d'Urbervilles"? Instead I rented the old Nastassja Kinski movie — and what high-school boy is going to turn down a night with Nastassja Kinski? — and eventually got a B.

    Everybody wins.
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    Image of AzureTexan AzureTexan
    12/15/09

    @MyNameIsChris: True. It really is an infinite jest.
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    Image of pony_express pony_express
    12/15/09

    @AzureTexan: No Irish stew but Bloom does fry up a lot of offal if memory serves--
    Now I'm going to rent the Kinski film. My mother is a Brit, I was raised on Hardy.

    So if Ashlee Dupree or one of the women of Tiger would review Tess or The Scarlet Letter, they would be back in the popular canon.
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    Image of AzureTexan AzureTexan
    12/15/09

    @pony_express: Agreed.
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    Image of matheson.randy matheson.randy
    12/01/09

    In reply to Rumor: Us Weekly Pays Big For Tiger Woods Girl #2
    As a brother, shouldn't Tiger be into thick white women?
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    A Message To Rudy promoted this comment matheson.randy was starred matheson.randy was unstarred
    Image of A Message To Rudy A Message To Rudy
    12/01/09

    @matheson.randy: He's only partly a brother so he settles for thick in the head.
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    Image of QueenCeleste QueenCeleste
    12/01/09

    In reply to Rumor: Us Weekly Pays Big For Tiger Woods Girl #2
    Sure, she's 24. And has been for the last 15 years. Just like me.
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    IpsoFacto promoted this comment QueenCeleste was starred QueenCeleste was unstarred
    Image of IpsoFacto IpsoFacto
    12/01/09

    @QueenCeleste: Eh. she looks like she could be a 24 year old to me, albeit one with a hell of a lot of mileage.
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    Image of mexiback mexiback
    12/02/09

    @IpsoFacto: Yeah, LiLo looks like a 35 year old, so anything can happen.
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    Image of Spirit Fingers Spirit Fingers
    12/01/09

    In reply to Rumor: Us Weekly Pays Big For Tiger Woods Girl #2
    "Tiger, you do know the Gosselins, Jon and Kate, don't you? No? Here, let me introduce you."

    Welcome, Tiger and wife, to the non-abating news cycle for the next month at least... expect revelations, tearful denials, fervent protestations, and someone wailing, "And what about the children?!"

    Yes, a mighty thing you've done for publishing this Holiday season. Jingle-Bell Balls in Your Face!
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    Image of WordyNinja WordyNinja
    12/01/09

    In reply to Rumor: Us Weekly Pays Big For Tiger Woods Girl #2
    You know what bothers me the most about this whole thing? That they're describing it as a "31 month affair. " When did we, as a society, stop acknowledging the passage of time via the accepted delineation of "years"?

    31 months-; you can't say 2-1/2 years? And it's not just with this, you ask someone how old their kid is and they say "26-months." Really? I thought he was two-years-old. Or someone says they've "only been at this job for 18 months" just say over a fucking year!!

    Oh, did Tiger Woods rape any of these women? Drug them? Take steroids in front of them? No? Then I don't care.
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    Gabriel Snyder promoted this comment Edited by WordyNinja at 12/01/09 5:42 PM WordyNinja was starred WordyNinja was unstarred
    Image of lobstr lobstr
    12/01/09

    @WordyNinja: Here here. This, I predict, stems from the annoying practice new mothers use when quantifying the age of their child. Why must we always have to divide by 12 in order to know how old little Jablapdyn is?

    (same goes for weeks of newborns... "31 weeks".. just gimmie the damn months... ) :[]
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    Image of mimigoliath mimigoliath
    12/01/09

    In reply to Rumor: Us Weekly Pays Big For Tiger Woods Girl #2
    Isn't 24 too young to have a facelift? Her eyebrows are in the freaking ionosphere.
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    Image of lobstr lobstr
    12/01/09

    In reply to Rumor: Us Weekly Pays Big For Tiger Woods Girl #2
    Incomprehensible to think he'd go for that unattractive piece of trash over the rather hot Swedish wife. Golfers..
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    Image of heywhat heywhat
    12/01/09

    @lobstr: Agreed. Would it kill Tiger to have a hot mistress? How hard can it be to find an attractive piece of ass?
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    Edited by heywhat at 12/01/09 6:17 PM heywhat was starred heywhat was unstarred
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