As for Ms. Perino, her comment is taken somewhat out of context. "There were no terrorist attacks on our country during President Bush's term."***
***= Unless you count September 11, 2001, which we in the Republican party no longer acknowledge as a date on the calendar. In fact, when we in the Republican party need emergency help via telephone, we don't even use the numbers 9-1-1.
This is tough, on one hand, Perino outrageously ignores the largest terror attack on U.S. soild in American history, thereby dishonoring all the dead from that day, plus the thousands who have died since in the name of that day, just to score imaginary points for her culpable boss. Then again, she's gotten a huge assist from the media --all of the media -- who have never treated 9/11 as the scandalous lapse in American security that it was, the blame for which rest squarely at the feet of her bosses.
On the other hand, Coulter's comment would just be par of the course on any given Tuesday in that gal's life if she hadn't fallen back on the, "of course, I wouldn't have made my racially charged comment were I an actual racist" defense, which is the surest sign I know of that the person in question is, actually, a big fat racist.
I just noticed something: Ann Coulter is NOT wearing a black cocktail dress. Is something wrong? Is she okay? What happened?
I'd say what Dana Perino said is pretty effing awful, but I doubt she said it thinking "9/11 didn't happen on Bush's watch." I'm pretty sure she knows it did. Forgetting is just sloppy, but Ann Coulter is just blatantly racist and awful and should have her human card revoked.
@mimigoliath: Yeah, Coulter is outrageous while I think Perino is just stupid.
I've heard wingnuts (many of whom I will be seeing in the next 24 hours; hi Mom & Dad!) say many a time about how Bush "kept us safe" for 8 years or some similar platitude. No Bushy, you didn't.
@mimigoliath: I don't know. Considering that Perino was the spokesperson for the administration who arguably made Sept. 11th their single, sole talking point for virtually every policy decision of almost seven years, that's pretty unforgivably stupid. Like, single-celled organism stupid.
@Atilla the Bun: In fact, he failed pretty much right away, didn't he? Maybe that's why people think Obama should have gotten more done in less than a year because look at how quickly Bush screwed up! Surely something could have happened by now!
@Atilla the Bun: I've seen Maxine Waters speak in person. Hate to break it to you, but she doesn't have two brain cells to click together. Perino was quite stupid in this video (assuming it wasn't edited in some way that deleted some context).
So both white and black women can be stupid. Guess it really isn't racist but sexism.
@momof3wildkids: I don't care if Waters has the I.Q. of a soap dish, that doesn't mean she got where she is because of affirmative action, e.g., her race. It is Coulter's knee-jerk assumption about that issue that makes her statement outrageous.
And frankly, I think Coulter would be offended if people DIDN'T find her statement outrageous. She could have easily just said that she found Water dumb; she brought the racial angle in for the controversy it would cause. Now I just got off of work and have to deal with wingnuts all day tomorrow, so where is the damn booze....
@mimigoliath: The black cocktail dress may have finally disintegrated in the wash. On the same note, Dana Perino seems to be less cute and perky than her days in the WH Press Office. I guess the worry of having a Kenyan muslin in the Oval Office is wearing on her.
I remember when Dana Perino was a guest on the Daily Show and it was so painful to watch her. She had to be one of the worst guest in the history of the Daily Show. Her appearances on Fox News aren't any better. Why do they keep letting her on air? Is it because she is a pretty blond lady?
@heywhat: What was even worse than her performance in this 'interview' was that the usually-acerbic Jon Stewart was reduced to someone closely resembling a fawning sycophant in her presence.
@anchower: I still cringe with disgust when I think of that interview. It sure explains why so many bubble-headed beauty queens are fronting the right side of the political spectrum.
In his interview with Lou Dobbs, Jon Stewart managed to say to his face that he finds his beliefs "wrong and abhorrent", yet he couldn't once ask Dana Perino a substantive question, let alone any question without giggling or fluttering his eyelashes?
Worth noting that Kennedy never had an approval rating below 50% and was arguably the second-worst president in recorded history, assassination or no assassination. Bay of Pigs FAIL.
@Perhaps Not: Preach it, brother. Kennedy was an awful president. The only reason my black grandmother had one of those velvet paintings of him on the wall is because he caught a bullet. I doubt he would have been re-elected (if he was elected in the first place).
I know, blasphemy.
Even though Lyndon B. Johnson was a jackass and dug us deeper into Vietnam because of his jackassery, I will always have a soft spot for him for the Great Society, especially the fact that a n-bomb dropping good ole boy from Texas could be the president who did the most to advance the cause of civil rights in this country.
Sometimes I wake up in a cold sweat thinking Obama will turn out to be a Kennedy (not assasinated, please Lord 'cause I don't think this country would survive him getting killed) and we'll need Lyndon B. Johnson aka Hillary Clinton to fix crap. (Okay, maybe not her.)
@HilliardTortoise: LBJ's Great Society and civil rights push were cynically calculated political maneuvers. To quote the man himself: "I'll have those n***ers voting democrat for the next hundred years".
And it worked perfectly. So there's something for democrats to be proud of, I suppose.
@Han Valen: Yes indeed. Almost as proud as the Republicans must be for Nixon's lovely "Southern Strategy".
Yep, as LBJ predicted: the civil rights act cost the Dems the South for a generation. Or two. Or three. Good to know those Republican strongholds are there, though. Right?
@Han Valen: So LBJ was an asshole? That's not exactly news. But he was committed to passing civil rights legislation and got it done. Unlike Kennedy who was too busy fucking anything that moved to accomplish much of anything. Long time liberal here but the best career move JFK ever made was getting assassinated. Democrats should always be proud of LBJ's Great Society. LBJ hated Martin Luther King but they worked together and brought about real change. LBJ was an asshole but he was committed to improving the lives of the poor Millions of Americans had their lives changed for the better thanks to LBJ, which should make ALL Americans with any sense of decency proud.
@HilliardTortoise: Vietnam was Kennedy's baby but LBJ gets all the blame. The Vietnam war was a tragic nightmare but I think one of LBJ's biggest mistakes was pissing off the baby boomers with privilege so completely. They were okay when it was just poor whites and black folks do the dying but when LBJ came after THEM, their outrage has tarnished his very REAL accomplishments to this day.
I guess Kennedy and Obama have some things in common (youth, wives, hope) but Kennedy was a poser from the very beginning. He turned the White House into a brothel and brought the world to the brink of nuclear war. Obama is the real deal.
@Botswana Meat Commission FC: That just makes me sad. But it certainly explains the odd arguments you hear about how we need to reduce spending in order to create jobs. I guess people think the job fairy is just waiting for us to show fiscal discipline before she rewards us with a wave of her magic employment wand.
It's not "fiscal responsibility" so much as "ensuring that paper money continues to have a value." The idea that it would be prudent, or even possible, to continue sustained deficits at these levels is ludicrous.
But that FDR meme/analogy/point your friends must think is super strong is even weaker than you'd think. FDR didn't inherit his office with massive deficits - he was able to take them on to fund World War II. Considering there continued to be recessions throughout the New Deal until WWII wiped out the world's manufacturing base and population of working-age males in foreign, competing countries, the Keynesian approach is hardly ratified by FDR's enduring influence on American monetary policy.
Of course, you're tired of hearing this argument, so let's just gleefully watch the dollar collapse a few years and see where it gets us. Okay? Then we can declare this stupid referendum over and start dealing with the unpleasant realities of a depleted planet with nearly 7 billion hungry humans on it.
@Unsolicited Advice: Yes, we should worry about theoretical inflation far in the future while ignoring the VERY REAL immediate threat of deflation and stagnant job growth.
And Keynes did not urge governments to just run endless deficits. He said governments should build up surpluses when economic growth was strong and then use government spending to spur demand when the economy is stagnant.
@Unsolicited Advice: The idea that it would be prudent, or even possible, to continue sustained deficits at these levels is ludicrous.
Agreed in principle, but it's a matter of timing, don't you think? Massive long term deficits will kill us, but the government had to run up massive short term deficits in order to prevent the economy from completely and utterly disappearing into the abyss, which was money well-spent even if it did postpone the comeuppance that a few asshole finance people so richly deserve.
If federal largesse is the one leg propping up the economy at the moment, it seems incredibly counterproductive to kick that leg out in the name of fiscal responsibility before the private sector has come back strong enough, wouldn't you say? We committed (half-heartedly, I'm sad to admit) to a Keynesian approach with the stimulus. Since we have already spent or are committed to spending that money, don't we owe it to ourselves to let that program play out? Any drastic deficit-reduction measures we take will have the opposite effect of the stimulus, making those many billions of dollars a total waste (ironically, this would be supremely fiscally irresponsible).
Besides, some of our current deficit will disappear simply as a result of higher tax revenues and expiring stimulus spending once the economy picks back up in earnest anyway, no?
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***= Unless you count September 11, 2001, which we in the Republican party no longer acknowledge as a date on the calendar. In fact, when we in the Republican party need emergency help via telephone, we don't even use the numbers 9-1-1.
We have the hired help dial it up.
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On the other hand, Coulter's comment would just be par of the course on any given Tuesday in that gal's life if she hadn't fallen back on the, "of course, I wouldn't have made my racially charged comment were I an actual racist" defense, which is the surest sign I know of that the person in question is, actually, a big fat racist.
By the way, it's Ann Coulter, 48.
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I'd say what Dana Perino said is pretty effing awful, but I doubt she said it thinking "9/11 didn't happen on Bush's watch." I'm pretty sure she knows it did. Forgetting is just sloppy, but Ann Coulter is just blatantly racist and awful and should have her human card revoked.
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I've heard wingnuts (many of whom I will be seeing in the next 24 hours; hi Mom & Dad!) say many a time about how Bush "kept us safe" for 8 years or some similar platitude. No Bushy, you didn't.
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So both white and black women can be stupid. Guess it really isn't racist but sexism.
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And frankly, I think Coulter would be offended if people DIDN'T find her statement outrageous. She could have easily just said that she found Water dumb; she brought the racial angle in for the controversy it would cause. Now I just got off of work and have to deal with wingnuts all day tomorrow, so where is the damn booze....
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But yea, Coulter added the whole piece about affirmative action so we'd be talking about her now. Doesn't make Waters any less of a tool though.
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In his interview with Lou Dobbs, Jon Stewart managed to say to his face that he finds his beliefs "wrong and abhorrent", yet he couldn't once ask Dana Perino a substantive question, let alone any question without giggling or fluttering his eyelashes?
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I know, blasphemy.
Even though Lyndon B. Johnson was a jackass and dug us deeper into Vietnam because of his jackassery, I will always have a soft spot for him for the Great Society, especially the fact that a n-bomb dropping good ole boy from Texas could be the president who did the most to advance the cause of civil rights in this country.
Sometimes I wake up in a cold sweat thinking Obama will turn out to be a Kennedy (not assasinated, please Lord 'cause I don't think this country would survive him getting killed) and we'll need Lyndon B. Johnson aka Hillary Clinton to fix crap. (Okay, maybe not her.)
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And it worked perfectly. So there's something for democrats to be proud of, I suppose.
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Yep, as LBJ predicted: the civil rights act cost the Dems the South for a generation. Or two. Or three. Good to know those Republican strongholds are there, though. Right?
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I guess Kennedy and Obama have some things in common (youth, wives, hope) but Kennedy was a poser from the very beginning. He turned the White House into a brothel and brought the world to the brink of nuclear war. Obama is the real deal.
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@Kakapo: et voila! This is what you call "ironic"...
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But that FDR meme/analogy/point your friends must think is super strong is even weaker than you'd think. FDR didn't inherit his office with massive deficits - he was able to take them on to fund World War II. Considering there continued to be recessions throughout the New Deal until WWII wiped out the world's manufacturing base and population of working-age males in foreign, competing countries, the Keynesian approach is hardly ratified by FDR's enduring influence on American monetary policy.
Of course, you're tired of hearing this argument, so let's just gleefully watch the dollar collapse a few years and see where it gets us. Okay? Then we can declare this stupid referendum over and start dealing with the unpleasant realities of a depleted planet with nearly 7 billion hungry humans on it.
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And Keynes did not urge governments to just run endless deficits. He said governments should build up surpluses when economic growth was strong and then use government spending to spur demand when the economy is stagnant.
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Agreed in principle, but it's a matter of timing, don't you think? Massive long term deficits will kill us, but the government had to run up massive short term deficits in order to prevent the economy from completely and utterly disappearing into the abyss, which was money well-spent even if it did postpone the comeuppance that a few asshole finance people so richly deserve.
If federal largesse is the one leg propping up the economy at the moment, it seems incredibly counterproductive to kick that leg out in the name of fiscal responsibility before the private sector has come back strong enough, wouldn't you say? We committed (half-heartedly, I'm sad to admit) to a Keynesian approach with the stimulus. Since we have already spent or are committed to spending that money, don't we owe it to ourselves to let that program play out? Any drastic deficit-reduction measures we take will have the opposite effect of the stimulus, making those many billions of dollars a total waste (ironically, this would be supremely fiscally irresponsible).
Besides, some of our current deficit will disappear simply as a result of higher tax revenues and expiring stimulus spending once the economy picks back up in earnest anyway, no?