Re: coolness of male body hair. Some of us really had to struggle to make it through puberty, we are quite happy with body hair. You want to seduce people by sporting the hairlessness of the underaged, well, that's your personal adventure.
In the interest of fairness (yeah, right), I have viewed a clip or two of Ms. Grey and my response remains: Ker-schnooze. Call me picky, but it just bores me to tears to see people cramming everything but the family sedan into any available orifice. If someone wants to pay to see it, good for them, have a jolly good time. But to call it all kinds of awesomeness is utterly ridiculous. People, it's a cum-drenched woman! Let's not pretend it's art for god's sake.
I've never been so disappointed in Gawker as I am now, looking at the kneejerkoff responses. It's as solemn and self-servingly unctuous as ... a speech at the Oscars. Rest assured, Dworkettes, ( may she truly rot in a Lovecraftian hell of sentient putrefaction ) millions of your sons and daughters knew quite well who Ms. Grey is. " You're sons and you8're duaghters are beyond you're command ... " Yeah, I abused a sixties protest song, because we still ( STILL ) have a first amendment, Jezebel, Dworkin, Nikki Finke eta l, or not.
She reminds me so much of Traci Lords. I personally don't think this girl is sane. Fucking that much since being under age doesn't give you a normal outlook on life and people but maybe I'm wrong.
When a woman is attractive and contemptuous it is read as "smart". Doubtful Ms. Grey has the coyly-hidden intelligence for which she is given so much credit. People who are immature think snide/caustic responses make them look all kinds of smart. Think: 10th grade.
Nor is she the first porn actress to attempt a mainstream crossover via "smart" films. There is also the "belittling" and soul-killing nature of doing press for movies to consider. Nothing new to see here, move along.
I call bullshit on her big brain. Also, believing you are smarter than everyone else and that you can read other people and manipulate them with your incredible insight is a symptom of mental illness. F.Y.I.
a) My comment about the uninterestingness of Sasha Grey profiles was intended to find fault in the media, not Ms. Grey, who, for the record, I find absolutely delightful. Frankly, the "OMG a pornstar who's not retarded and has aspirations to do many things in addition to porn!" angle is tiresome.
b) I find this interview incredibly disrespectful, and I do agree that questions like this would not have been directed at anyone outside of the adult industry.
c) The assumptions being made in these comments are pretty horrific--for those of you who've looked at Sasha's IMDB listings and can't find "art" there, ever heard the line about not judging a book by its cover? You might actually want to see the films before you deride her as just another damaged pornstar.
d) For once and for all: Sasha never called herself an existentialist. That line was taken out of context... as are so many things.
@Lux Alptraum: for those of you who've looked at Sasha's IMDB listings and can't find "art" there, ever heard the line about not judging a book by its cover? You might actually want to see the films before you deride her as just another damaged pornstar.
I was the one who said there's not much art in her titles, going by the imdb list ([www.imdb.com]). I never called her damaged, let alone expressed "hate," and in fact I wished her well wherever her future lies.
I HAVE sought out some of her scenes: specifically, ones she has won awards for, in Babysitters and Fuck Slaves. Sorry, I don't find them artful. Maybe you find art in Gang Bang My Face, Slam It! In a Slut, or Cum Fart Cocktails 5 -- none of which, admittedly, have I seen. But you're being disingenuous to suggest that it's impossible to judge a porn by its title, director, and box. And it's a bit hysterical to call that assumption "horrific," don't you think?
Also, it's your job to support the industry, so before you call people with critical opinions "haters," you might consider your own bias and resultant defensiveness.
I do agree with you that TAN's questions were disrespectful. I'm sure he lost her from the start with the stupid "seduced via email" line.
a. wasn't that the context i placed your comment in? you finding her delightful, and anything i've said in the interview don't have to be mutually exclusive.
b. such as which questions?
d. yeah, that's debunked in a previous interview. but isn't it a semantic nit?
you're a fan, ok, but how often do the same problems/criticism with her interviews occur before it's not "the media".
@LvV: "Also, it's your job to support the industry, so before you call people with critical opinions "haters," you might consider your own bias and resultant defensiveness."
Actually, it's not. My job is to write about things that are sexy. I can be--and have been--critical of the adult industry when I see fit.
@T.A.N.: a. Yes, but I wanted to clarify for those who might not be aware.
b. I think Sasha addressed that concern in her answers.
I actually don't usually criticize her interviews, most of them are well done, if a bit too gee whiz for my taste. And it's not a problem with "the media," it's a problem with a culture that sees being involved with the adult industry--or any sex-related field--as problematic or a sign of some illness.
@Lux Alptraum: You ought to really take a step back and think about what you're saying. Are you really saying that Sasha Grey is creating art? Do you believe every press release?
You come along with a humorless statement that contains some vaguely contrarian-for-the-sake-of-being-contrarian position and then expect us to treat it as fact because you frame your argument in terms of tolerance, coolness and sexiness. Then you get testy when others come and try to say where they think you've gone wrong.
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If we're going to trot out Cosmo pinup men then here's the Holy Grail!
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Please don't make me look at this photo TWICE when you aren't adding anything to this story! C'mon, man.
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When a woman is attractive and contemptuous it is read as "smart". Doubtful Ms. Grey has the coyly-hidden intelligence for which she is given so much credit. People who are immature think snide/caustic responses make them look all kinds of smart. Think: 10th grade.
Nor is she the first porn actress to attempt a mainstream crossover via "smart" films. There is also the "belittling" and soul-killing nature of doing press for movies to consider. Nothing new to see here, move along.
I call bullshit on her big brain. Also, believing you are smarter than everyone else and that you can read other people and manipulate them with your incredible insight is a symptom of mental illness. F.Y.I.
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Seriously, Sasha is someone I would want to be friends with for reals, regardless of her career.
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a) My comment about the uninterestingness of Sasha Grey profiles was intended to find fault in the media, not Ms. Grey, who, for the record, I find absolutely delightful. Frankly, the "OMG a pornstar who's not retarded and has aspirations to do many things in addition to porn!" angle is tiresome.
b) I find this interview incredibly disrespectful, and I do agree that questions like this would not have been directed at anyone outside of the adult industry.
c) The assumptions being made in these comments are pretty horrific--for those of you who've looked at Sasha's IMDB listings and can't find "art" there, ever heard the line about not judging a book by its cover? You might actually want to see the films before you deride her as just another damaged pornstar.
d) For once and for all: Sasha never called herself an existentialist. That line was taken out of context... as are so many things.
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I was the one who said there's not much art in her titles, going by the imdb list ([www.imdb.com]). I never called her damaged, let alone expressed "hate," and in fact I wished her well wherever her future lies.
I HAVE sought out some of her scenes: specifically, ones she has won awards for, in Babysitters and Fuck Slaves. Sorry, I don't find them artful. Maybe you find art in Gang Bang My Face, Slam It! In a Slut, or Cum Fart Cocktails 5 -- none of which, admittedly, have I seen. But you're being disingenuous to suggest that it's impossible to judge a porn by its title, director, and box. And it's a bit hysterical to call that assumption "horrific," don't you think?
Also, it's your job to support the industry, so before you call people with critical opinions "haters," you might consider your own bias and resultant defensiveness.
I do agree with you that TAN's questions were disrespectful. I'm sure he lost her from the start with the stupid "seduced via email" line.
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a. wasn't that the context i placed your comment in? you finding her delightful, and anything i've said in the interview don't have to be mutually exclusive.
b. such as which questions?
d. yeah, that's debunked in a previous interview. but isn't it a semantic nit?
you're a fan, ok, but how often do the same problems/criticism with her interviews occur before it's not "the media".
05/24/09
Actually, it's not. My job is to write about things that are sexy. I can be--and have been--critical of the adult industry when I see fit.
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b. I think Sasha addressed that concern in her answers.
I actually don't usually criticize her interviews, most of them are well done, if a bit too gee whiz for my taste. And it's not a problem with "the media," it's a problem with a culture that sees being involved with the adult industry--or any sex-related field--as problematic or a sign of some illness.
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You come along with a humorless statement that contains some vaguely contrarian-for-the-sake-of-being-contrarian position and then expect us to treat it as fact because you frame your argument in terms of tolerance, coolness and sexiness. Then you get testy when others come and try to say where they think you've gone wrong.
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