I talked to someone last night who was complaining about the size of the "insulting" raise they just got -- not mock insulted; actually insulted. I jus laughed an' laughed. #trendwatch
@Vulcan Has No Moon: In which industry, Vulcan? Outside of bankruptcy law, and debt collection (which is probably tanking too) what sort of companies are giving raises??
In Henry, the median income of black families, $56,715 in 2008, approaches that of whites, $69,728 (nationally, the average income gap was $20,000). Blacks in Henry County, many of whom are retirees from the North or professionals who work in Atlanta, are more likely than whites to have a college degree.
and then the very next sentence...
That does not mean that Henry County is a perfect laboratory of equality.
So the Times's OWN CODDAMN REPORTING states outright that blacks make way less money despite having MORE education than whites and they're worried we readers might get the impression that Henry County is "a perfect laboratory of equality." These are like the white people on Mad Men in their obliviousness. #trendwatch
We might do well, at all points in the social spectrum, to think about and maybe even reread The Theory of the Leisure Class ([socserv2.mcmaster.ca]) #thepoors
In 2006, John Cassidy wrote a great article in the New Yorker on how the perception of poverty is relative though not independent of absolute measures of it.*
Initially, he seems to challenge the assumptions of this post:
“Rather than trying to come up with a subsistence-based poverty measure about which everybody can agree, we should accept that there is no definitive way to decide who is impoverished and who isn’t. Every three years, researchers from the federal government conduct surveys about the number of appliances in the homes of American families. In 2001, ninety-one per cent of poor families owned color televisions; seventy-four per cent owned microwave ovens; fifty-five per cent owned VCRs; and forty-seven per cent owned dishwashers. Are these families poverty-stricken?”
But as the article progresses, Cassidy brings together evidence from numerous disciplines to show how “relative privation” hurts people psychologically, socially, and even physically. The basic idea: “It appears that, while money matters to people, their relative ranking matters more. ... Relative deprivation is also bad for your health.”
How to assess relative privation? “Since relative deprivation confers many of the disadvantages of absolute deprivation, it should be reflected in the poverty statistics. A simple way to do this would be to classify a household as impoverished if its pre-tax income was, say, less than half the median income—the income of the household at the center of the income-distribution curve.”
In the current political climate, his thoughts on the redistribution of wealth would inevitably raise the specter of socialism: “The conservative case against a relative-poverty line asserts that since some people will always earn less than others the relative-poverty rate will never go down. Fortunately, this isn”t necessarily true. If incomes were distributed more equally, fewer families would earn less than half the median income. Therefore, the way to reduce relative poverty is to reduce income inequality—perhaps by increasing the minimum wage and raising taxes on the rich.”
*John Cassidy, Annals of Economics, “Relatively Deprived,” The New Yorker, April 3, 2006 (link).
@iplaudius: Shit. I have no job, no TV, no dishwasher, a car on which the book value is $550, no VCR or DVD player. (I do have a microwave oven, tho, and a $300 laptop on which I'm writing this post.)
However, unlike many truly poor people, my poverty is temporary. Once I graduate with my MBA in December from my no-name school, I'll be making the big bucks....right?
@xyzpdq: I sounds as though you are definitely poor by absolute and relative measures described by Cassidy, though, as you suggest, you might be in a position to change your state.
In the current economy, a lot of people who are leaving school have to settle for work that may not be related to or commensurate with their academic qualifications. All I can say is: good luck, and work your connections. #thepoors
"Thank God for food stamps ... We needed them, we were so poor. With food stamps, Divine had a fabulous party, and Mink made a steak. Divine cried. He hadn't seen a steak in so long!" — John Waters, on being a poor back in the day, availing himself of the welfare state.
I will look into this. I haven't been working in a while, and $200 would go a long way at Trader Joe's. Ain't no shame!
My roommate lied to get foodstamps last year (ie, she was still a legal dependent of her parents). And spent several hundred dollars on tattoos during this time. And bragged about manipulating the system.
Also, she's going into social work. Shouldn't she be the person lamenting the abuse of the system?
My other roommate and I used to plot ways to report her to the feds when she pissed us off. Handy note: Once you get over $100 of fraudulent food stamps it's a felony. #jschool
It makes me sad that this is probably more practical advice on how to survive in the field of journalism than any career counseling the graduate program offered. #jschool
I joined Americorps after college. During the orientation session we all had to attend at the beginning, the facilitators encouraged us to apply for food stamps. There was a session that involved them walking us through the application process and giving us tips on how to apply to live in low income housing.
Now that I think about it, I'm pretty sure that my volunteer stipend was more than $450 a month. #jschool
@morninggloria: How shocking! An organization encourages its volunteers to take advantage of the very programs the public has set up as a last-resort safety net for the very same less fortunate people who said organization seeks to benefit, possibly under less-than-honest auspices?
It's almost enough for one to despair of the entire welfare system. Almost. #jschool
@TheHonJudgeSmails: It struck me as especially fucked up because most of us were at the point in our lives where we could call mom and dad and have them dump an emergency $100 into our bank accounts, or had grandparents who would send us checks for no reason. I was uncomfortable accepting that sort of aid because I always viewed it as something for use by people who don't have that sort of family support. #jschool
@morninggloria: That may be true, but some of us receiving food stamp assistance may be past the age of asking our parents for cash. Our parents may not HAVE the cash, or they may be deceased.
Further, apparently it's okay for taxpayers to provide government assistance to thousands of Walmart employees who are so poorly paid that they're eligible for a plethora of government programs, hence the reason why I see nothing wrong with AmeriCorps personnel accepting government assistance, especially given the pittance they're paid. #jschool
Note that unemployment assistance for most white collar folks is $1620 a month - just a wee bit too much to qualify.
Note also that the program is based on income per household, not on how much your degree cost or what it might be worth someday. Frankly, I'd rather see qualified people using this resource than starving to death in the streets, but then, I'm not a Republitard.
For every so-called "welfare queen" milking the system, there's a gay kid who got thrown out of his house, or a single mom, or a laid off blue collar guy with a kid to feed. Their survival choices are strictly limited to either public assistance or crime. (Yes, some choose both. Not the point.)
Those who object may pick up some Charles Dickens to remind them of what the good ol' days were like. #jschool
@BettyCrocker: But couldn't the point be made, here, that... rather than go $100,000 in debt in order to pursue a degree that probably doesn't improve your odds at obtaining gainful employment... one could maybe stop pursuing that degree and eat without relying on public assistance?
@TheHonJudgeSmails: It can. But the debt is one's own and can't be discharged by any method other than payment or other public service by the debtor (military, etc.).
One can't know in advance if there will be a glut of lawyers, doctors, librarians or research assistants when one happens to graduate, and one shouldn't have to speculate on that when pursuing an education in a field where one has proficiency and interest.
By your logic - and you know I love ya - students who aspire to certain fields should make their educational pursuits a strictly economic exercise.
Based on the number of self-entitled, moronic, wealthy jackasses who went to law school with me solely because Mommy and Daddy wanted to be able to say "My son, the lawyah...", I think that all professions are ill-served by that exercise. #jschool
@TheHonJudgeSmails: Even if you disregard the massive debt, the guy's income as a writer is still low enough to qualify for the stamps. At any rate, you can't run society based on the idea that humans will make the correct life choices 100% of the time, and requiring proof of 100% correct life choices in order to qualify for food stamps probably defeats the purpose: to help people whose choices have not worked out for the best. #jschool
Students at the seminary I graduated from would do this while in school. You could also get subsidized health insurance, including vision, through the city of NY. It drove the admissions director crazy. Note to students trying this at home: time your application process so that it doesn't hit at loan disbursement day. A few folks lost their benefits because they happened to have $5,000 of the school's money sitting in their accounts temporarily. #jschool
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In Henry, the median income of black families, $56,715 in 2008, approaches that of whites, $69,728 (nationally, the average income gap was $20,000). Blacks in Henry County, many of whom are retirees from the North or professionals who work in Atlanta, are more likely than whites to have a college degree.
and then the very next sentence...
That does not mean that Henry County is a perfect laboratory of equality.
So the Times's OWN CODDAMN REPORTING states outright that blacks make way less money despite having MORE education than whites and they're worried we readers might get the impression that Henry County is "a perfect laboratory of equality." These are like the white people on Mad Men in their obliviousness. #trendwatch
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Initially, he seems to challenge the assumptions of this post:
“Rather than trying to come up with a subsistence-based poverty measure about which everybody can agree, we should accept that there is no definitive way to decide who is impoverished and who isn’t. Every three years, researchers from the federal government conduct surveys about the number of appliances in the homes of American families. In 2001, ninety-one per cent of poor families owned color televisions; seventy-four per cent owned microwave ovens; fifty-five per cent owned VCRs; and forty-seven per cent owned dishwashers. Are these families poverty-stricken?”
But as the article progresses, Cassidy brings together evidence from numerous disciplines to show how “relative privation” hurts people psychologically, socially, and even physically. The basic idea: “It appears that, while money matters to people, their relative ranking matters more. ... Relative deprivation is also bad for your health.”
How to assess relative privation? “Since relative deprivation confers many of the disadvantages of absolute deprivation, it should be reflected in the poverty statistics. A simple way to do this would be to classify a household as impoverished if its pre-tax income was, say, less than half the median income—the income of the household at the center of the income-distribution curve.”
In the current political climate, his thoughts on the redistribution of wealth would inevitably raise the specter of socialism: “The conservative case against a relative-poverty line asserts that since some people will always earn less than others the relative-poverty rate will never go down. Fortunately, this isn”t necessarily true. If incomes were distributed more equally, fewer families would earn less than half the median income. Therefore, the way to reduce relative poverty is to reduce income inequality—perhaps by increasing the minimum wage and raising taxes on the rich.”
*John Cassidy, Annals of Economics, “Relatively Deprived,” The New Yorker, April 3, 2006 (link).
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However, unlike many truly poor people, my poverty is temporary. Once I graduate with my MBA in December from my no-name school, I'll be making the big bucks....right?
*crickets* #thepoors
10/20/09
In the current economy, a lot of people who are leaving school have to settle for work that may not be related to or commensurate with their academic qualifications. All I can say is: good luck, and work your connections. #thepoors
10/20/09
But...
"we have far more honest priests than thieving priests"
Qualify that. Go ahead, punk. Make my day. #thepoors
10/20/09
I will look into this. I haven't been working in a while, and $200 would go a long way at Trader Joe's. Ain't no shame!
10/19/09
Also, she's going into social work. Shouldn't she be the person lamenting the abuse of the system?
My other roommate and I used to plot ways to report her to the feds when she pissed us off. Handy note: Once you get over $100 of fraudulent food stamps it's a felony. #jschool
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Now that I think about it, I'm pretty sure that my volunteer stipend was more than $450 a month. #jschool
10/19/09
It's almost enough for one to despair of the entire welfare system. Almost. #jschool
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Further, apparently it's okay for taxpayers to provide government assistance to thousands of Walmart employees who are so poorly paid that they're eligible for a plethora of government programs, hence the reason why I see nothing wrong with AmeriCorps personnel accepting government assistance, especially given the pittance they're paid. #jschool
10/19/09
Note also that the program is based on income per household, not on how much your degree cost or what it might be worth someday. Frankly, I'd rather see qualified people using this resource than starving to death in the streets, but then, I'm not a Republitard.
For every so-called "welfare queen" milking the system, there's a gay kid who got thrown out of his house, or a single mom, or a laid off blue collar guy with a kid to feed. Their survival choices are strictly limited to either public assistance or crime. (Yes, some choose both. Not the point.)
Those who object may pick up some Charles Dickens to remind them of what the good ol' days were like. #jschool
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One can't know in advance if there will be a glut of lawyers, doctors, librarians or research assistants when one happens to graduate, and one shouldn't have to speculate on that when pursuing an education in a field where one has proficiency and interest.
By your logic - and you know I love ya - students who aspire to certain fields should make their educational pursuits a strictly economic exercise.
Based on the number of self-entitled, moronic, wealthy jackasses who went to law school with me solely because Mommy and Daddy wanted to be able to say "My son, the lawyah...", I think that all professions are ill-served by that exercise. #jschool
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