• Profile logout login

#printisdead

Gawker

Share Cancel
   
Upload an image | Add an image URL
×

logging in
  • FAQ. Include # before tag:
  • #tips,
  • #stalker,
  • #opencaption,
  • #internalmemos,
  • etc.

New York, 11:49 PM
Sun Nov 22
12 posts in the last 24 hours

Team

Tip Your Editors:
tips@gawker.com
Tipline: 646-214-8138

Editor-in-Chief:
Gabriel Snyder | Email

West Coast Editor:
Richard Rushfield | Email

Contributing Editors:

Valleywag:
Ryan Tate | Email

Media:
Hamilton Nolan | Email

Politics:
Alex Pareene | Email

Investigations:
John Cook | Email

Entertainment:
Brian Moylan | Email

Nights:
Adrian Chen | Email
Azaria Jagger | Email
Ravi Somaiya | Email

Weekends:
Foster Kamer | Email

Video Editor:
Richard Blakeley | Email

SUBSCRIBE TO Gawker RSS

New: Breaking news and daily top stories via email
4260 Subscribers
Gawker
  • posts about #printisdead more →

    Bad News: Newspaper Circulations Going Up!

    The Fallacy Behind Efforts to Save 'Public Service Journalism'

    The Vice Guide to Creating a Successful Publishing Empire

    Condé Nast Is the Latest to Convert in Apple's Secret Tablet Faith

    Tattle-Tale Newspaper Costs Vulgar Commenter His Job

    Reality Check: 80% Won't Pay for Online Content (And the Other 20% Are Probably Lying)

    Moonie Newspaper Editor Shockingly Forced to Attend Moonie Wedding

    Rupert Murdoch: David Paterson Is a Hapless Blind Illiterate

    Newspaper Box Enlivened One Last Time

    Nation's Biggest Publisher of Gay Newspapers Closes
  • Your version of Internet Explorer is not supported. Please upgrade to the most recent version in order to view comments.
    Dsmvwl  Admin  Promote to frontpage Approve user Ban user ×
    Image of raincoaster raincoaster
    11:35 PM

    In reply to Bad News: Newspaper Circulations Going Up!
    Canada perfected this little scheme back when the National Post was founded and trying to inflate its numbers.
     Reply
    raincoaster was starred raincoaster was unstarred
    Image of lobstr lobstr
    08:03 PM

    In reply to Bad News: Newspaper Circulations Going Up!
    I went to UNLV right at the ending cusp of LV's glory days (More classic hotels on the Strip than douchebag attractors, Tarkanian was still coaching, slots still dropped coins etc) and even in 1993, with under a million residents, LV still was a two-newspaper town.

    In fact I still have my mint-condition copies of the LV Sun's farewell to the Dunes Hotel special issue .. though, little did the Sun know they were about to implode themselves :[] .. good times though.
     Reply
    lobstr was starred lobstr was unstarred
    Image of skahammer skahammer
    05:19 PM

    In reply to Bad News: Newspaper Circulations Going Up!
    I would like a paper machete hat, please.

    And then, look the hell out.
     Reply
    Edited by skahammer at 11/22/09 5:26 PM skahammer was starred skahammer was unstarred
    Image of Glib and Bitchy Glib and Bitchy
    05:37 PM

    @skahammer: Ouch. Paper cut!
     Reply
    Edited by Glib and Bitchy at 11/22/09 5:40 PM Glib and Bitchy was starred Glib and Bitchy was unstarred
    Image of Sergio Hernandez Sergio Hernandez
    06:11 PM

    @skahammer: Ha, beat me to it.
     Reply
    Sergio Hernandez was starred Sergio Hernandez was unstarred
    Image of Lysergic Asset Lysergic Asset
    05:01 PM

    In reply to Bad News: Newspaper Circulations Going Up!
    If the internet had been set up originally on a per-fee basis, maybe there wouldn't be resistance to the idea of internet-only news. "Why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free?" comes to mind.

    I was hoping for the death of print media if only to save the forests.
     Reply
    Lysergic Asset was starred Lysergic Asset was unstarred
    Image of Swifter Swifter
    05:36 PM

    @Lysergic Asset: It is necessary to burn the forests in order to save them.
     Reply
    Edited by Swifter at 11/22/09 5:37 PM Swifter was starred Swifter was unstarred
    Image of Tremonius Tremonius
    09:25 PM

    @Lysergic Asset: Compuserve, payable by the minute. Something called The Source offered all sorts of university (East Mississippi Barbers', I think) research opportunity at $7 per minute. Other deep resources offered a cover charge to the Inner Sanctum. This was connectivity in the late 80s, when I started. Even the local "tree board," the BBS which organized chatter so it went on forever like an organization chart, began charging.

    Then somebody said, hey, everybody's still listening to radio and watching teevee. What's their business plan again?
     Reply
    Tremonius was starred Tremonius was unstarred
    Image of Lysergic Asset Lysergic Asset
    09:28 PM

    @Tremonius: Damned if they do, fucked if they don't... I wonder who's turning a profit on web news.

    #tips
     Reply
    Lysergic Asset was starred Lysergic Asset was unstarred
    Image of Joe Mitchell's Secret Joe Mitchell's Secret
    11/20/09

    In reply to The Fallacy Behind Efforts to Save 'Public Service Journalism'
    What amazes me; not one sentence about the writing. Snappy? Ponderous? Meh?
    @Zirinsky
    Congrats, you get the blue-ribbon today.
     Reply
    Joe Mitchell's Secret was starred Joe Mitchell's Secret was unstarred
    Image of MissNormaDesmond MissNormaDesmond
    11/20/09

    In reply to The Fallacy Behind Efforts to Save 'Public Service Journalism'
    So, do you think Gawker is a better website now than it was the day it launched?
     Reply
    MissNormaDesmond was starred MissNormaDesmond was unstarred
    Image of If_I_Had_a_Poodle If_I_Had_a_Poodle
    11/20/09

    In reply to The Fallacy Behind Efforts to Save 'Public Service Journalism'
    Well, in the old days before child labor laws, urchins were their distribution system, so maybe it's 2 steps forward, 3 back
     Reply
    If_I_Had_a_Poodle was starred If_I_Had_a_Poodle was unstarred
    Image of Volsciana Volsciana
    11/20/09

    In reply to The Vice Guide to Creating a Successful Publishing Empire
    How soon until they start producing 'Teen-Vice' complete with interns staring on an MTV reality show
     Reply
    Volsciana was starred Volsciana was unstarred
    Image of lionel-mandrake lionel-mandrake
    11/20/09

    In reply to The Vice Guide to Creating a Successful Publishing Empire
    Here's the problem with tagging your business model to one particular demo, especially a demo with as particular and flighty and as generationally specific an aesthetic as the Gen-Y hipster set. Eventually they get tired your product, or outgrow it, or somehow you start missing the boat on whatever whimsical bullshit the new trend is. Then you can't give your product away.

    Hope those Vice guys are socking the money away, because I figure they have five years left, tops. Why five? Because that's when the main body of hipsters start having to go straight, start getting married, start having kids, start needing real jobs, and when the trust funds start running out.
     Reply
    lionel-mandrake was starred lionel-mandrake was unstarred
    Image of SunanditaSquirrel SunanditaSquirrel
    11/20/09

    @lionel-mandrake: And there are no younger folks to take the places of aging hipsters. Got it.
     Reply
    lionel-mandrake promoted this comment SunanditaSquirrel was starred SunanditaSquirrel was unstarred
    Image of Lowboy Lowboy
    11/20/09

    @lionel-mandrake: If you've been paying any attention at all to what Vice has been doing (VBS, ahem) over the last few years, you'd know the level of "whimsical bullshit" is at an all-time low. The don't-give-a-shit tone is still there but the topics are heavy hitters.
     Reply
    lionel-mandrake promoted this comment Lowboy was starred Lowboy was unstarred
    Image of lionel-mandrake lionel-mandrake
    11/20/09

    @SunanditaSquirrel: Did you read the words "generationally specific" in what I wrote?

    Meaning, once the very specific and narrow generation to which Vice pitches itself, outgrows the Vice product, they will no longer consume the Vice product.

    Unless, of course, they can make the transition into staying relevant to next bunch of hipster twats who come along.

    #tips
     Reply
    lionel-mandrake was starred lionel-mandrake was unstarred
    Image of lionel-mandrake lionel-mandrake
    11/20/09

    @Lowboy: Truthfully, no, I haven't paid attention at all. I couldn't be less interested.

    #tips
     Reply
    lionel-mandrake was starred lionel-mandrake was unstarred
    Image of Volsciana Volsciana
    11/20/09

    @lionel-mandrake: Don’t forget – its not just the population of Williamsburg reading it, it has a major global circulation (it’s actually hard to avoid in the UK, you find it stocked just about everywhere).

    I totally disagree with your five year theory - When I was 16/17 I used to read Vice - I haven’t touched it for years now (I’d much rather read about it on Gawker), but now I find my little brother who’s 17 reads it avidly....and so on…
     Reply
    Volsciana was starred Volsciana was unstarred
    Image of Lowboy Lowboy
    11/20/09

    @lionel-mandrake: Hmm... Interesting that you have an opinion worth writing on something that you couldn't be less interested in. I do, however, like your name/icon so I"ll let it slide this time.

    Seriously, though. Perhaps you should give it another go. It's not all tits and cocaine anymore. Just some tits and cocaine.
     Reply
    Lowboy was starred Lowboy was unstarred
    Image of TheWerewolf - Sotto voce TheWerewolf - Sotto voce
    11/19/09

    In reply to Condé Nast Is the Latest to Convert in Apple's Secret Tablet Faith
    "The Apple Tablet has been something of a holy grail for gadget fiends."

    Seriously though - there's lots of reasons to be suspicious of the Apple Tablet - not the least of which is that it's not going to be a tablet Mac... it's going to be a large iPhone.

    Which means - you're getting an ebook reader for $700. :)
     Reply
    Edited by TheWerewolf - Sotto voce at 11/19/09 1:57 AM TheWerewolf - Sotto voce was starred TheWerewolf - Sotto voce was unstarred
    Image of raincoaster raincoaster
    11/18/09

    In reply to Tattle-Tale Newspaper Costs Vulgar Commenter His Job
    Wait...was he Vietnamese?
     Reply
    raincoaster was starred raincoaster was unstarred
    Image of Alfisted Alfisted
    11/18/09

    In reply to Condé Nast Is the Latest to Convert in Apple's Secret Tablet Faith
    If Apple says the Tabelt doesn't exist, who am I to doubt them?

    Not sure why Conde Nast is staring with Wired, though.
     Reply
    Edited by Alfisted at 11/18/09 8:18 PM Alfisted was starred Alfisted was unstarred
    Image of TyTy27 TyTy27
    11/19/09

    @Alfisted: I'm pretty sure the tablet will exist. If Conde is going to make this move then Wired is the obvious choice. Of all Conde's titles, Wired readers are the most likely to buy the tablet as well as use new technologies in general. I'm not sure if it will work for Conde but starting with Wired makes the most sense. It's what I'd do.
     Reply
    TyTy27 was starred TyTy27 was unstarred
    Image of lostarchitect lostarchitect
    11/18/09

    In reply to Condé Nast Is the Latest to Convert in Apple's Secret Tablet Faith
    This is a pet peeve of mine, so please forgive me.

    It's TOE the line, not "tow". It does not refer to hauling a rope, it refers to a bunch of guys standing next to each other with their toes on a line. It's probably got a military origin.
     Reply
    lostarchitect was starred lostarchitect was unstarred
    Image of TipsyVonDrinklestein TipsyVonDrinklestein
    11/18/09

    @lostarchitect: Glad I'm not the only one. Also, it's "champing" at the bit, not "chomping".
     Reply
    lostarchitect promoted this comment TipsyVonDrinklestein was starred TipsyVonDrinklestein was unstarred
    Image of mark.hunter.ca mark.hunter.ca
    11/18/09

    @lostarchitect: Before I even checked the comments I was going to write, "Cue long debate about 'tow' vs. 'toe' the line."

    For what it's worth I think your pet peeve is entirely unfounded. Having spent a fair amount of time looking - including consulting with a linguist, there doesn't appear to be a consensus either on the proper form of "tow/toe" or, even, the appropriate metaphor given either form.

    I take the fact that your reply didn't even attempt to forward any support for your position (nor, really, does this) as yet more evidence.
     Reply
    lostarchitect approved this comment mark.hunter.ca was starred mark.hunter.ca was unstarred
    Image of Lizard_King Lizard_King
    11/18/09

    @lostarchitect: Not a big deal, I could care less.
     Reply
    Lizard_King was starred Lizard_King was unstarred
    Image of seriously, saycarramrod seriously, saycarramrod
    11/18/09

    @Lizard_King: /sarcasm please?
     Reply
    Lizard_King promoted this comment seriously, saycarramrod was starred seriously, saycarramrod was unstarred
    Image of TipsyVonDrinklestein TipsyVonDrinklestein
    11/18/09

    @Lizard_King: I don't understand, can you flush out this idea for me?
     Reply
    lostarchitect promoted this comment TipsyVonDrinklestein was starred TipsyVonDrinklestein was unstarred
    Image of skierpage skierpage
    11/18/09

    @Lizard_King: Huh? You don't mind appearing stupid in public? You don't care that the web sites you visit are badly written? You're not offended that Ryan Tate, someone who is paid to write, can't use language correctly?

    By the way, by the way you pair it with "Not a big deal", you should probably have used the outright "I couldn't care less" rather than the sarcastic "I could care less."
     Reply
    skierpage was starred skierpage was unstarred
    Image of justincandescence001 justincandescence001
    11/18/09

    @skierpage: That is one of my pet peeves actually. "Couldn't care less" should be the correct use because if you could care less, it stands to reason that you really do care.

    Although from what I've heard, the two are becoming colloquially synonymous.
     Reply
    Lizard_King approved this comment justincandescence001 was starred justincandescence001 was unstarred
    Image of lostarchitect lostarchitect
    11/18/09

    @mark.hunter.ca: Hi Mark. Thanks for your comment. I don't really need support for my position because it is the correct one, and it is almost universally accepted as such. Your linguist is wrong if he says there is no consensus; there is. Google is your friend here, and since you need support:

    [lmgtfy.com]

    [en.wikipedia.org]

    (note that if you search wikipedia for "tow the line" it redirects to "toe")
     Reply
    lostarchitect was starred lostarchitect was unstarred
    Image of lostarchitect lostarchitect
    11/18/09

    @Lizard_King: Don't start with that one!
     Reply
    lostarchitect was starred lostarchitect was unstarred
    Image of lostarchitect lostarchitect
    11/18/09

    @TipsyVonDrinklestein: Yes, and a point is "moot", not "mute".
     Reply
    lostarchitect was starred lostarchitect was unstarred
    Image of bfarver001 bfarver001
    11/18/09

    @Lizard_King: Ugh, it is a big deal. If your not good at english, especially when your reader's depend on your use of language to communicate ideas, you risk appearing to be an idiot in there eyes.
     Reply
    Lizard_King approved this comment bfarver001 was starred bfarver001 was unstarred
    Image of Lizard_King Lizard_King
    11/18/09

    @bfarver001: "your not good at English"....

    Where do I even start?

    It was sarcasm - it was another misquoted, mixed up cliche.

    #tips
     Reply
    Lizard_King was starred Lizard_King was unstarred
    Image of Lizard_King Lizard_King
    11/18/09

    @lostarchitect: :)

    #tips
     Reply
    Lizard_King was starred Lizard_King was unstarred
    Image of Lizard_King Lizard_King
    11/18/09

    @seriously, saycarramrod: c'mon, that is so overused. I'd rather bait the hook and sit back and watch.
     Reply
    Lizard_King was starred Lizard_King was unstarred
    Image of Lizard_King Lizard_King
    11/18/09

    @justincandescence001: kinda like regardless and irregardless (which isn't even a f'ing word!)
     Reply
    Edited by Lizard_King at 11/18/09 10:04 PM Lizard_King was starred Lizard_King was unstarred
    Image of SkonOfVulcan SkonOfVulcan
    11/18/09

    @TipsyVonDrinklestein: As a horse owner I happen to know it's "Chomping" at the bit not "champing". Look in a dictionary.
     Reply
    lostarchitect promoted this comment SkonOfVulcan was starred SkonOfVulcan was unstarred
    Image of lostarchitect lostarchitect
    11/18/09

    @SkonOfVulcan: In terms of the original phrase you are technically incorrect, but functionally you are *sort of* correct. The original usage is "champing" (perhaps *you* should look in a dictionary?). "Chomp" is a modern variant on "champ", so it also makes sense, but the original is, in fact, "champing".
    [www.word-detective.com]
     Reply
    Edited by lostarchitect at 11/18/09 10:54 PM lostarchitect was starred lostarchitect was unstarred
    Image of Baroness Baroness
    11/18/09

    In reply to Condé Nast Is the Latest to Convert in Apple's Secret Tablet Faith
    Why should Jobs be flattered? The Apple tablet sounds perfect for the affluent audience Condè Nast cultivates. It's a good match for both of them.
     Reply
    Baroness was starred Baroness was unstarred
    Image of i'm a bottle i'm a bottle
    11/18/09

    In reply to Tattle-Tale Newspaper Costs Vulgar Commenter His Job
    Okay. I looked at their privacy policy. Greenbaum provided an IP address to the school. But the privacy policy states that the IP address shall only be used "to deliver our web pages to you upon request, to tailor our sites to the interests of our users, and to measure traffic within our sites." Notice that "Forwarding it to your employer because someone personally insulted our editor" is not included.

    Also, what a gloating headline Greenbaum penned, "Post a vulgar comment while you’re at work, lose your job." This guy is off the rails.
     Reply
    Edited by i'm a bottle at 11/18/09 3:28 PM i'm a bottle was starred i'm a bottle was unstarred
    Image of i'm a bottle i'm a bottle
    11/18/09

    @i'm a bottle: Greenbaum needs to have his head examined.
     Reply
    i'm a bottle was starred i'm a bottle was unstarred
    Earlier discussions Other discussions Show all discussions Show featured discussions only Start a new discussion

Login

Enter your username and password.

Please enter a username.
Please enter your password.
logging in
Login via Facebook | Sign Up | Forgot Password?

Reset Password

Please enter your email address to have your password reset.

Please enter your email address.
Please enter a valid email address.
requesting password reset

Register

Registering will give you a user profile and the ability to add other users as friends. To become a commenter, however, you need to audition.

Want to know more? Consult the Comment FAQ and legal terms.

Please enter a username.
Please enter a password.
Please confirm your password.
Passwords are not identical.
Please enter a valid email address.
registration sent, waiting for reply

Submit Your Comment

You don't need to login to comment. Just enter your email address below.

See how your address will be displayed in the Comment FAQ.

Please enter a valid email address.
Please enter a valid email address.
logging in

Login with your Facebook or Gawker account.

Sign up here.



  • Archives
  • About
  • Advertising
  • Legal
  • Help
  • Report a Bug
  • FAQ
Original material is licensed under a Creative Commons License permitting non-commercial sharing with attribution.