This is bullshit. The Courage Campaign put out a call to raise funds for a 2010 repeal effort and raised more than $70,000 in 24 hours. Equality California are the same idiots who ran the failed No on 8 campaign last fall. Why the fuck should we listen to them?
@downlow: I'm with Courage Campaign. Seriously, Equality California are the geniuses who felt that ads that actually featured loving gay couples would turn people off. Enough of the internalized homophobia. I don't know, maybe I don't have the right to say this because I'm straight, but I really think this is deeply wrong.
@MissNormaDesmond: Me, too. And you just threw off my whole Gawker commenter theory about feminine sounding monikers being gay guys. Well, like I said in college, the haters need to realize that there are plenty of us heteros who will stand up for gay rights! (And if you call me "gay" for standing up for my friends or family it doesn't scare me or offend me. Think I'm gay, I don't care about that. Just realize that people who aren't gay support the gays!)
As someone who is unable to marry her girlfriend because of California's laws and who would marry her girlfriend if it were legal ... I actually don't think this is so bad.
Look, mid-year election turnout is always quite low. Those that do vote are the same ones who voted yes on Prop. 8 in the first place. The legalization of gay marriage is heavily dependent on getting a population to vote who normally does not vote. It would be a Sisyphean task to try to pass a repeal or a new constitutional amendment in California during a mid-year cycle.
Although I care deeply and personally about this issue, I'm also ok with fighting the good fight in 2012 when we're that much more likely to succeed than to suffer another defeat in 2010. Besides, it's not like the federal government would recognize our marriage...
@BowieCadmium: Equality California, to be clear, were the people who brought us this confusing, bizarre, pointless ad^
I'm sorry, but having seen the results of the best thinking of these people last fall, I'm not prone to trust their judgment. I have the e-mail that tells how they gathered their data, but it sort of blows my mind that they never took one simple step: they never asked their membership what they felt about the effort. I've been getting e-mails from them all year, and not once did they ask, "What do you think? Should we move in 2010 or 2012?" Instead, they make this top-down, authoritarian announcement from on high, and actually promote it to news outlets as if someone had anointed them the decision-makers for all gay people and straight supporters in California.
It's the same paternalistic, "we know best" approach that they took last fall, except they didn't know best, and we got our ass kicked. Instead of learning from that and developing some humility, they seem to have become that much more entrenched in their attitude.
When I watched "Milk", I cried in frustration, not only from my grief at having lost this wonderful man, but because he showed us thirty years ago that we could take on the forces of homophobia and intolerance and win, by running a passionate, well-organized grassroots effort. Courage Campaign has been doing this, and I don't know why Equality California wouldn't want to.
@MissNormaDesmond: I agree with you. I don't think that the decision to wait until 2012 was based in any sort of logic, but rather an inability to get their shit together. Thank you for saying this.
*sigh. The california gays, while great people, couldn't find their way out of a paper bag.
I went to one of the LGBT meetings in Oceanside where a friend of mine was getting honored for some work she did at school promoting tolerance, and the whole thing was a joke. If you ran a business like they run their society, you'd end up broke.
@m4ximusprim3: I am pretty sure that picture is from Gainesville, FL and that I know that guy. He was bragging all over the place that he'd done that and that the pic was all over the internet.
They are constantly approaching me in San Diego parking lots. I thought they wanted signatures, but they want money. A lot. As in hundreds of dollars. I was like, "Serially?" On the other hand, I myself don’t have any great ideas about it.
There are so many things wrong with this article. 1. The ones with the money, the ones who can afford to postpone legal rights that have economic impacts on people's lives, are once again making the decisions NOT to fight. 2. These are paid political consultants, NOT grassroots activists. As such, they must not be alllowed to make decisions that affect our lives. 3. I'm sick of the blatant racism and religious intolerance of blaming African-Americans, the Mormon Church, and any other for this loss. Prop 8 won because the No on 8 campaign waged a shitty, losing campaign. PERIOD. The campaign was run by the same people who are now arguing we should wait. Their failures and lack of leadership on these issues MUST not hinder OUR movement.
Nice pic. Unfortunately, there really are people who believe homosexuality = demon possession. Like my mother. Of course, she also had a horse that she believed was demon possessed. She and her fellow cult members held several exorcisms, laying on of hands, anointing with oil, etc. But the damn thing continued to act all crazy. So they shot it. Not sure why she never shot me. Thanks, Mom!
@RheaPollstry: I don't understand why we can't lock people like this up as a danger to the republic. Sure, it would've made mother's day tense for you, but i'm betting it already was (along with most other days at home).
This was the right decision for two primary reasons. There is a limited amount of funds that can be raised from the LGBT and allies community. In the next 2 years, as the budget in CA is slashed there will be far fewer dollars for direct services and if the community doesn't make it up, there will be massive cutbacks in the services available to LGBT people in CA (including HIV treatment and prevention as well as mental health services). While I hate being a second class citizen, having my marriage unrecognized by the state is not the same as being infected with HIV because testing and prevention services were cut. My brother is HIV+ and if it were the choice between having prevented that never being allowed to marry the choice would be simple.
The second reason is that politically our time and effort is best placed on ensuring that whatever shape national healthcare takes it will be LGBT friendly. We will get exactly one chance to do this right as a community and if we screw it up, it will take a SCOTUS decision or an act of congress to change it.
Picking ones battles wisely isn't being chicken and its not being inactive. Its being smart.
The constituency won't be available in 2010 and the limited resources of the LGBT groups do not compare with the opposition's. Target available voters when there is interest and don't waste your time/money tilting at windmills. The grassroots should be moving polls and donating right now, top-down efforts are doomed.
So how long before members of the LGBT community decides to blame THIS on black folks? Memo to my gay brothers and sisters: When you're fighting for your rights, it's a good idea to get off your asses and actually FIGHT. The numbers weren't in favour of Dr. King back in the day. The numbers are NEVER going to be in favour but the only way to change hearts and minds is to get out there.
But really, the underlying reason could be sublime. It's the sunshine beating down on those West Coast brain pans, producing a sort of political torpor. Why bother with politics right now when there's an excellent outside set coming in?
No, they're right. In midterm years, the electorate contracts; turnout is much higher in presidential years - especially among younger voters who came out for Obama last year, and those who are politically indifferent. The diehards vote during midterm years (e.g. 2010), and while there's no way to say this early, history suggests midterm elections are tough for the party in power. Further, if a gay marriage initiative energizes the right, it could tip a close governor or senate race (CA has both next year) toward the Republicans. They screwed up in 2008 but time is on their side.
Yeah, but it drives the anti-gay turnout more effectively. The fact is that national opinion hasn't shifted enough for a 2010 push to be anything but another demoralizing, wasted effort. Bottom line: the issue needs more public support.
@Peter Feld: I think what's missing is what the activists are doing in the meantime. Are they getting a whisper campaign going that will grow into a huge tidal wave in 2012? Or are they biding their time till they get something rolling in 2011?
@Dürer's Rhino: There's also the possibility that marijuana legalization will be on the 2010 ballot, which would have an interesting impact on turnout.
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Look, mid-year election turnout is always quite low. Those that do vote are the same ones who voted yes on Prop. 8 in the first place. The legalization of gay marriage is heavily dependent on getting a population to vote who normally does not vote. It would be a Sisyphean task to try to pass a repeal or a new constitutional amendment in California during a mid-year cycle.
Although I care deeply and personally about this issue, I'm also ok with fighting the good fight in 2012 when we're that much more likely to succeed than to suffer another defeat in 2010. Besides, it's not like the federal government would recognize our marriage...
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I'm sorry, but having seen the results of the best thinking of these people last fall, I'm not prone to trust their judgment. I have the e-mail that tells how they gathered their data, but it sort of blows my mind that they never took one simple step: they never asked their membership what they felt about the effort. I've been getting e-mails from them all year, and not once did they ask, "What do you think? Should we move in 2010 or 2012?" Instead, they make this top-down, authoritarian announcement from on high, and actually promote it to news outlets as if someone had anointed them the decision-makers for all gay people and straight supporters in California.
It's the same paternalistic, "we know best" approach that they took last fall, except they didn't know best, and we got our ass kicked. Instead of learning from that and developing some humility, they seem to have become that much more entrenched in their attitude.
When I watched "Milk", I cried in frustration, not only from my grief at having lost this wonderful man, but because he showed us thirty years ago that we could take on the forces of homophobia and intolerance and win, by running a passionate, well-organized grassroots effort. Courage Campaign has been doing this, and I don't know why Equality California wouldn't want to.
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I went to one of the LGBT meetings in Oceanside where a friend of mine was getting honored for some work she did at school promoting tolerance, and the whole thing was a joke. If you ran a business like they run their society, you'd end up broke.
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http://socialistworker.org/2009/07/23/we-wont-wait-for-equality
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The second reason is that politically our time and effort is best placed on ensuring that whatever shape national healthcare takes it will be LGBT friendly. We will get exactly one chance to do this right as a community and if we screw it up, it will take a SCOTUS decision or an act of congress to change it.
Picking ones battles wisely isn't being chicken and its not being inactive. Its being smart.
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But really, the underlying reason could be sublime. It's the sunshine beating down on those West Coast brain pans, producing a sort of political torpor. Why bother with politics right now when there's an excellent outside set coming in?
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Yeah, but it drives the anti-gay turnout more effectively. The fact is that national opinion hasn't shifted enough for a 2010 push to be anything but another demoralizing, wasted effort. Bottom line: the issue needs more public support.
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