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Apparently Prostitution Wasn't Already Legal in San Francisco

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ADismalScience
11/01/08

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All laws are poorly written at first, but decriminalization is key. That way cops can't just yank these poor girls off the street and have instant leverage when they want questions answered about the local drug, sex, and violence addicts.
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Ogiri W Surie
11/01/08

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The homeless problem in SF was always something that creeped me out. The beggars are smart though. The last time I was there, I heard some guy asking for a buck from everyone except when he detected foreign tourists. Then it became, "Can you spare $10?"
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forwardmotion
11/01/08

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California is its own country. (I'm not saying this is bad or good, just a fact.) It has been a trip living here...
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Fry_Bread_Power
11/01/08

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My favorite memory on a recent trip to SF was watching a homeless man harass a young couple for money. He followed them for a block and a half and yelled at them the whole way.

I left my heart in SF.
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forwardmotion
11/01/08

@Fry_Bread_Power: The junkies screeching at you gets old really fast. Trust me.
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Tammany_Fall
11/01/08

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On the shallow side, it occurs to me that if K passes and 8 doesn't, San Francisco is going to be home of the most awesomest Gay and Lesbian Bachelor/ette parties EVER.
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ADismalScience
11/01/08

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Why isn't this legal yet? The alternative is leaving prostitutes to be the unwilling tools of the justice system - identified, frequently arrested, and left out there to be unwitting informants at incredible personal risk. Please Nevada-ize prostitution nationwide.
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Niko Bellic
11/01/08

it would put a welcome mat out for pimps and prostitutes to come on into San Francisco

It would actually establish a clear legal difference where the moral one already exists: between the evil pimps and the honorable prostitutes.
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aurora*raby
11/01/08

@ADismalScience: I love you, Dis.
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92BuickLeSabre
11/01/08

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There is a book's worth of information in the Prop. K campaign.

Is it progressive or regressive? Is the narrative Amsterdam or Human Trafficking? Is it health or Hustle and Flow? Or all of the above? Is it more intriguing that the issue largely transcends race and age or that it does not transcend gender? Or the stark gap between white men (most support) and black women (least)?

And that's before one even gets to the point of the post's headline, that prostitution is already more open in SF than anywhere I've ever lived, including (Giuliani-Bloomberg-era) NYC.

So let me know when one of you all write it. I'm looking forward to the read.
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kidnextdoor
11/01/08

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srsly...did the WordPerfect guy only give one dollar?
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Alex Carnevale
11/01/08

@kidnextdoor:

A million just isn't what it was. Fixed!
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BookishLookish
11/01/08

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None of this is good, but really, the Tenderloin is like Hooker Disneyland. Newsom needs to get his ass over to Hunts Point and see the real deal.
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Alex Carnevale
11/01/08

@BookishLookish:

What's it like there? I haven't been to SF in a while.
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BookishLookish
11/01/08

@Alex Carnevale: I'd say SF is still pretty kosher. It's not gentrifying as rapidly as New York. The Mission is still funky as hell and the western part of town is still affordable. Lots of homeless, but that is not new. Love that city.
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Weegee's bored
11/01/08

@BookishLookish: I was there twice last year, for the first time in 30 years. I thought it looked really good. The obvious build up of the business district was done without ruining the feel of the place. North Beach isn't appreciably gaudier than in the 70s, and all that appears to have happened to the Haight is that there are fewer people on the street. The Embarcadero is the Embarcadero. The seagulls still try to snatch your fish and chips right off the table. I expected to be horrified by wholesale destruction of a priceless city, and I found none of that.

They're still selling the goddam same shit in Chinatown they were selling in 1975, too.
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NapQuest
11/01/08

@BookishLookish:

crack and rainbow grocery!

last time i went there it reminded me of when downtown ny had a little more soul.
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Baroness
11/01/08

@BookishLookish: I will always love that city. Lived there for five years until recently. The people, the diversity, the history, the weather, the fantastic public library system.. it's just a beautiful city where the social and civic fabric still holds, it is strong, actually.

I love hearing people sneer at "San Francisco values" on FOX or wherever. San Francisco's "values" are deeply humane and geared towards fairness and equality. The rights of renters, working people, are strongly defended. Seeing kids playing everywhere, crime is negligible except in some areas. SF works as a city for everyone, not just for the rich, as in NYC, alas.

San Francisco is a jewel. Not perfect- the homeless situation is still Dinkinsian, and the women still commit fashion crimes, like dresses over jeans. Ultimately a small city, but a marvellous place that I do love.
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BookishLookish
11/01/08

@ocd soundsystem: Yes, I know that place. And the Roosevelt Tamale Parlor. Sigh. You people on the West Side have the best Mexican north of the Rio Grande.
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BookishLookish
11/01/08

@Weegees bored: I agree, I have spent time in SF in the 80s, the 90s and then again not long ago. It has improved, if anything. It still has a lot of grit, a lot of style. And they have sea lions in the bay. Wish we had those in New York.
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themediatrix
11/01/08

@BookishLookish: @Baroness: @Alex Carnevale: @squeakel: @ocd soundsystem:

Awww, you guys! You're making me love my city. :)

I was just at Rainbow last night! Promise me you'll listen to my show about SF when it launchs. Actually -- HEY!

Go vote for my show on the Knight News Challenge! Please-pleasepleasepleaseplease? Do it right now! Here's the link to my entry: [tinyurl.com] (You have to register, but it only takes a minute.)

SonicSF needs your vote! The show is public radio with a new, smart, engaging style best described as NPR meets Curb Your Enthusiasm, Arrested Development and the Colbert Report.

(Plus, people are being really competitive and voiting down stuff that gets rated highly. They aren't leaving comments when they give it one star, so I know they aren't voting it down because it isn't good. I mean, What's not to love?)

C'mon, help a fellow commenter out...! :)
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Pinekatz
11/01/08

@themediatrix: Done. I love San Francisco and try to get over there as often as possible. I'd gladly support your work. Thanks for the link.
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