This post makes it sound as if this conclusion is obvious. Why would it be? What about football is really any "rougher" on your brain than any other sport? Even in tennis, your brain's being jostled around all over the place as you run back and forth, with every step you take and every foot plant a huge shock to your entire body, not to mention the pretty common act of throwing yourself after passing balls and hitting the (usually hard) ground. People get injured in other sports just as often as in football.
Blows to the head have been illegal in football for many years, and it's one of the few sports that requires a helmet. Basketball, which is no less physical of a sport and is played on hard wood rather than grass, has no such requirement.
Unless you just assume that all exercise of any kind must invariably lead to mental decline - in which case, fine, go ahead and lead your sedentary life, fatty.
@badasscat: Your post kind of makes me think that not only have you never played football, but have not actually watched a professional football game before. What other sport do you have 350 pound men who benchpress 400 lbs running full tilt into eachother. Hockey comes close, but no where near the size of individuals involved. And, yes, hockey also has a problem with concussions as well. I am still trying to wrap my head around the fact that you compared the physicality of of basketball(where hand checking is illegal) to football. Did you see what happened to Tim Tebow this weekend? That was a totally standard play too. I do take one thing back, maybe you have played football before, without a helmet?
@badasscat: uh, have you ever played sports? sure, someone in another sport might occasionally hurt their head in some fluke. But I can promise you as a former lineman there are only a couple other sports in the world that require two people to bash each other over and over again for two hours like football does. Have you ever heard a basketball player say "oh, its just a stinger, I'll walk it off." A 'stinger' as in the whole side of my body has just gone numb because I've f*cked up my nerves somehow. But don't worry coach I'll be back in a minute!
@Mo MoDo: I'm pretty sure dementia strikes the brilliant and stupid alike when they've had multiple severe concussions along the way. Could be wrong, though.
On a more serious note, I'd wager if blown knees, cracked vertebra and paralysis isn't enough to scare off tomorrow's talent pool, dementia won't either.
All the middle school kids not only think they'll be the ones winning the NFL lottery ten years hence, but also that they'll be among the few retirees with no ill effects a decade past that.
Anyone earning the type of loot these guys make will have to sacrifice something personal along the way. That's just natural law. If they don't want to get fucked up, they don't have to step on the field.
@FaceMelter: That’s a fairly cavalier attitude to take when the article is talking about 4,000 retirees over the age of 50 who undoubtedly had no clue about Alzheimer’s and senile dementia and their possible relationship to repeated concussions. Are you just against employers providing sufficient PPE in general, or just when it comes to professional athletes? I know, it’s cool to hate on rich professional athletes…
@a dog called ego: Anyone who doesn't realize that the abuse taken during the course of a professional football career can lead to mental and physical impairment is a fool. It's evolution baby.
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I am writing a book called The Modern Jewish Girl's Guide to Gilt. It is all about getting jewelry from unsuspecting men. I am publishing it under the nom "Lorelei Leestein." Look for it soon!
@BookishLookish: I'd read that! Seriously, have these eggheads never heard of "Portnoy's Complaint" or just about any Philip Roth book? *Snort* Yeah, sure, if your childhood is one big guilt trip you're gonna be sooooo happy and well-adjusted as an adult.
True. Society establishes appropriate social boundaries as a way to mitigate human behavior, otherwise, the more extreme among us would be allowed to act out at the rest of us unchecked. This is a detriment to the greater good.
Or as my Dad always says "Guilt. It's the gift that keeps on giving."
But, in the end, self-control does matter, because it can compensate for a lack of guilt. If you have neither? Well, you're probably just a lost cause.
Nah, in that case you are most likely "The Shape" or Hannibal Lecter or a housecat.
Recently I had the worst case of the guilts that it actually drove me to an early morning mass at St. Patrick's WITH a session in the confessional. I hadn't gone to confession in 22 years.
Father said that since it's been decades since my last Confession, any sins I may have committed during that time would also be forgiven, I don't even have to list them.
"But, in the end, self-control does matter, because it can compensate for a lack of guilt. If you have neither? Well, you're probably just a lost cause."
Look at you, with your fancy Gawker column, posting it so early in the morning. Must be nice, to be so young and healthy that you can wake up and work so early in the morning. Me, ah - I can't do that any more what with the arthritis. No, no don't worry about me. I'd think if you woke up so early you'd have some time to call, say hello, but you're busy, I know. I'm so glad you don't think you have to call me or visit me all the time like Mrs. Smith's columnist across the hall. All day long, her columnist calls her to see how she is doing, inviting her out to dinner, talking about maybe having a few grand-columnists. But me? No, I'm fine here on my own. Alone. In the dark. You're young. You go live your life.
Great advice for becoming a successful seven year old, but not really relevant to my experience, thanks.
In trying to sell a memoir and shorter works though, I will admit that stories of guilt (going to rehab, making a change "for the better") will be more likely published than "living without shame". It's just a huge cultural buy-in that has created the stagnancy in which we now live.
But, in the end, self-control does matter, because it can compensate for a lack of guilt. If you have neither? Well, you're probably just a lost cause. Thank you so much Ann Landers.
@momo: Are you implying that all guilt is bad? I think we should judge guilt on a case-to-case basis. I'm definitely sick of religious and sexual guilt (often these are intertwined), but I think we could do with a lot more of the socio-cultural variety.
@momo: I'm with you on this one -- I'd love to see which of those kids are more likely to enter therapy as adults in order to get rid of that nagging feeling at the back of their heads that they've done something wrong. Also, in my experience, guilt is kind of useless -- either someone changes what their doing wrong, in which case picking at old scabs doesn't add anything useful, or they hold out their guilt as a way of disguising the fact that they're damned well going to keep doing what they have been doing, but somehow the fact that they feel guilty about it is supposed to make it better. And then there's all that random guilt about things that people have no business feeling guilty about in the first place...
@momo: Good point. Until, say, Lloyd Blankfein cries at a press conference for ruining the U.S. economy and checks himself into a monastic retreat (heavy on the penance), I'll take my guilt on the side.
@ShanghaiLil: Guilt over breaking a stupid crappy plastic toy is meaningless, yes. I think the study is flawed, in a way, because it could just as well be gauging fear of punishment.
I think guilt only does its best work when the fear of feeling guilty actually prevents people from doing things that they should not do (and by this I mean things that are clearly criminal, like murder or assault or robbery, or clearly socially deleterious, like treating the elderly like shit, driving like an asshole, things like that). In other words, when guilt is working properly as a form of social cohesion, people will rarely experience the feelings associated with it.
One can probably judge the pointlessness of a form of guilt by how often it is experienced by people. The more it's experienced, the less effective, and probably the less socially beneficial it is. So basically, all the religious and sexual guilt in Western society is pointless.
@momo: A lot about the validity of this "study" might be learned, if we knew how they defined "behavior problems" for the next five years, how they were recorded and whether it actually continues beyond elementary school.
But first, for 60 seconds after the toy broke, the psychologists recorded every reaction as the toddlers squirmed, avoided the experimenter’s gaze, hunched their shoulders, hugged themselves and covered their faces with their hands.
These all sound like behaviors that would be exhibited, if the kid was expecting or anticipating parental punishment and not just some internal thing, they might do to themselves.
@skt.smth: I think in graph #2 you're sort of mooshing guilt and shame into one concept. They're different--guilt is an internal dialogue (you vs. God, or some abstract moral authority) while shame is an external dialogue between the individual and the others. It's shame that's the social liant, actually--it prevents people from doing a-hole things because it colors their perception by the others negatively.
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Blows to the head have been illegal in football for many years, and it's one of the few sports that requires a helmet. Basketball, which is no less physical of a sport and is played on hard wood rather than grass, has no such requirement.
Unless you just assume that all exercise of any kind must invariably lead to mental decline - in which case, fine, go ahead and lead your sedentary life, fatty.
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All the middle school kids not only think they'll be the ones winning the NFL lottery ten years hence, but also that they'll be among the few retirees with no ill effects a decade past that.
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" I can see that the respondents believe they have been diagnosed. " What a prick.
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Or as my Dad always says "Guilt. It's the gift that keeps on giving."
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Nah, in that case you are most likely "The Shape" or Hannibal Lecter or a housecat.
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Father said that since it's been decades since my last Confession, any sins I may have committed during that time would also be forgiven, I don't even have to list them.
That was cool.
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That, or making a mint in finance.
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In trying to sell a memoir and shorter works though, I will admit that stories of guilt (going to rehab, making a change "for the better") will be more likely published than "living without shame". It's just a huge cultural buy-in that has created the stagnancy in which we now live.
But, in the end, self-control does matter, because it can compensate for a lack of guilt. If you have neither? Well, you're probably just a lost cause. Thank you so much Ann Landers.
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I think guilt only does its best work when the fear of feeling guilty actually prevents people from doing things that they should not do (and by this I mean things that are clearly criminal, like murder or assault or robbery, or clearly socially deleterious, like treating the elderly like shit, driving like an asshole, things like that). In other words, when guilt is working properly as a form of social cohesion, people will rarely experience the feelings associated with it.
One can probably judge the pointlessness of a form of guilt by how often it is experienced by people. The more it's experienced, the less effective, and probably the less socially beneficial it is. So basically, all the religious and sexual guilt in Western society is pointless.
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@skt.smth: Seriously.
But first, for 60 seconds after the toy broke, the psychologists recorded every reaction as the toddlers squirmed, avoided the experimenter’s gaze, hunched their shoulders, hugged themselves and covered their faces with their hands.
These all sound like behaviors that would be exhibited, if the kid was expecting or anticipating parental punishment and not just some internal thing, they might do to themselves.
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