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    Image of alboy2 alboy2
    11/16/09

    In reply to Indian Kids Work Cheap for Google
    And the cost(s) of living in India are exactly the same as they are in the US? Gimme a break; this seems like a very sensible response to a very different economy. We similarly pay people different salaries if they live in New York or Washington vs. the "market" in Indianapolis, for example. Methinks I smell a whiff of political correctness here. #google
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    11/16/09

    @alboy2: Allow me to eviscerate your argument, good sir.

    a)Yes, you pay different salaries for people living within the same country using the same currency. People living in Indianapolis pay lower rents than people living in NYC. That much is true. But. You cannotapply that principle in such a facile manner across nations due to a simple matter called the exchange rate. And that is what has deceived you. The dollar-rupee exchange rate makes it ridiculously cheap for American companies to hire Indian workers because the companies pay the Indians less dollars than they would if those workers were American.

    b) The people living in countries like India do not get to apply the exchange rate because they're living in India. A cost of living that seems ridiculously low in America like $300.00 per month amounts to roughly 15,000 rupees. In a country like India where over 40% of the population earns less than $1.25 a day or roughly 60 rupees, earning 15,000 rupees a month is difficult and painful.

    c) Notice that I applied that pesky exchange rate principle consistently here. You talked about cost of living in dollars and ignored thinking about the income in dollars. While the Indian cost of living in dollars is indeed low, the average Indian income in dollars is way, way lower. The ratio of cost of living to average income in the same currency is sky-high in Third World, oops, developing countries like India where most people earn shit pay.

    Methinks I smell a whiff of jerk here. Both from Google and from you. And stuff that nineties-era relic of whining about political correctness. Once you use PC hysteria to justify ripping off a bunch of kids from a poverty-stricken foreign country, you've officially jumped the shark. #google
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    11/16/09

    @Wrapitup: Please forgive me, it's difficult to write with any subtlety in this format. I didn't mean to justify Google's ripping off little third-world children, but merely trying to point out that there is not an exact correlation between economic opportunities/condition between our two countries. BTW, I will not STFU about "political correctness" because it is poor thinking at any time. Like many other ideas, this one has far overshot its usefulness; I am not, however, a cold-hearted Republican. What I do decry is the constant urge to sympathize with others based on their poor(er) condition. Equality of opportunity is far different from equality of condition. Were Google or any other company to base their pay scale on US earnings, we would be paying a lot more for our tchtchkes. Want to pay $10 for a t-shirt in Wal art? Fine, let's raise everyone's salary so they can reach the US standard of living. Google is functioning like a business, like it or not. Pay the prevailing wage at the time and in the place where you are functioning. It may not be fair, but it does represent the way the capitalist system works. #google
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    Image of petgorillahamster006 petgorillahamster006
    11/16/09

    In reply to Indian Kids Work Cheap for Google
    1/20th goes a long way in India. And you don't want to be offering people outlandish wads of cash, relative to the per capita GDP. That creates corrosion of social norms, and corruption.
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    11/16/09

    @petgorillahamster006: Great! Any other ridiculous things you'd like to justify? Maybe you could explain to me why women shouldn't vote? Or why coffee farmers in South America should be paid poverty wages for their product? Why don't you just kick a puppy and tell me how it's to toughen him up, to maintain the dog social norms. #google
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    11/16/09

    @petgorillahamster006: You're right. The poor should stay poor. Thank goodness for all the starving millions across Asia and Africa. I hear in North Korea, people starve so much that they look through the excreta of animals hoping to find undigested food. Oh also right here in the US, thousands of people starve and go homeless, including small children. Without this wondrous bounty of poverty and starvation, there would be terrible corrosion of social norms and corruption. Er, relative to the per capita GDP of course. #google
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    Image of Brad Brown Brad Brown
    11/16/09

    In reply to Indian Kids Work Cheap for Google
    That'l teech em' not too steel are jobs!
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    Edited by Brad Brown at 11/16/09 11:27 AM Brad Brown was starred Brad Brown was unstarred
    Image of homoviper homoviper
    11/16/09

    In reply to Indian Kids Work Cheap for Google
    The End of Poverty? #google
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    Image of PontiusPirate PontiusPirate
    10/09/09

    In reply to Bus Seat Fistfight: More Transit Mayhem Policed By YouTube
    They're just excited for Fleet Week.
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    Image of FriendlyFloyd FriendlyFloyd
    10/08/09

    In reply to Bus Seat Fistfight: More Transit Mayhem Policed By YouTube
    It's like Chun Li vs. Balrog...

    Chun Li would win because Balrog was a charge character with no legit air defense.
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    Image of Magister Magister
    10/08/09

    In reply to Bus Seat Fistfight: More Transit Mayhem Policed By YouTube
    Sometimes I long for the old days, when these kinds of altercations were often just diversions to cover pickpockets or train robbers and whenever they'd occur, everyone would avert their eyes, get off at the next stop and wait for another bus.

    Nowadays and maybe it's just the parent in me, but if I were to witness such a fight, I don't know that I could film while keeping an eye out for a gun.
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    Image of RedLineRage RedLineRage
    10/08/09

    In reply to Bus Seat Fistfight: More Transit Mayhem Policed By YouTube
    I am totally in LOVE with the hipster who makes them stop. She was awesome.
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    Image of Uncle_Billy_Slumming Uncle_Billy_Slumming
    10/08/09

    In reply to Bus Seat Fistfight: More Transit Mayhem Policed By YouTube
    I'm reminded of recent conversation about how women should be running the financial world because they're much more conservative and socialated (big deal, I made up a word).
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    Image of Baroness Baroness
    10/08/09

    In reply to Bus Seat Fistfight: More Transit Mayhem Policed By YouTube
    Unclear what really started this- we only have one side- but having lived in SF for many years, some Chinese-born women, especially older ones, are as aggressive as linebackers, they will plow you out of the way on a crowded bus. This woman was younger, but native Chinese have no problem jostling strangers on transit, and that may not have sat well with the African-American girl , if she were bumped without apology when the other lady went for the free seat. Don't know the story of course, but Chinese-born people in Sf sometimes have different ideas about "personal space" on mass transit. Seen it a lot, and wonder if that's part of this incident.
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    Image of Conchie Birdie Conchie Birdie
    10/08/09

    @Baroness: "Personal space" doesn't exist on the 30.
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    Image of Cynical Media Bitch Cynical Media Bitch
    10/08/09

    @Baroness: If you think the Chinese-born of SF have aggressive ideas about personal space, try the Hong Kong subway: more contact than most rugby scrums.
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    Image of Baroness Baroness
    10/08/09

    @Cynical Media Bitch: Hate to sound like I'm going on with stereotypes here but: on a crowded SF Chinatown streetcorner once, a guy tripped over the protruding leg of a woman's old-fashioned metal shopping cart, and you could hear his knee crack as it hit the sidewalk.

    As I was helping the poor man up, the woman started screaming at him in Chinese- like, how dare you trip over my cart, idiot! was what I got as they argued in Chinese. It seems like they can be quite rough with each other in the public thrum sometimes.
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    Image of Cynical Media Bitch Cynical Media Bitch
    10/08/09

    @Baroness: Dare I say "Forget it, Jake" ?
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    Image of OneViewHere OneViewHere
    10/08/09

    In reply to Bus Seat Fistfight: More Transit Mayhem Policed By YouTube
    This is what people mean when they say "I will take you down....I will take you down to Chinatown!". -It means you will get your ass beat by a tough old Chinese lady.
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    Image of Dave J. Dave J.
    10/08/09

    In reply to Bus Seat Fistfight: More Transit Mayhem Policed By YouTube
    Ha, this is the best part (from the translation over @ youtube):

    Old Man#2(1:26): Hit that bitch.
    Old Man#3(1:33): Beat that bitch ass.
    Old Lady#2(1:37): Don't fight no more.
    Old Man#2((1:59): Beat the fuck out of her till she is scared.
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    10/08/09

    In reply to Bus Seat Fistfight: More Transit Mayhem Policed By YouTube
    I kept hoping this was a John Woo Hong Kong-era movie, and that the quiet lady sitting in the orange jacket was going to jump up, pull dual handguns (and a dove) out of her backpack, and cap somebody.
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    Image of mr_mr mr_mr
    10/08/09

    In reply to Bus Seat Fistfight: More Transit Mayhem Policed By YouTube
    Things I realized from this video:

    - I will never understand Chinese/Mandarin
    - Not all black people can lay a beatdown
    - I still never, ever want to ride public transit in SF
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    Maxichamp promoted this comment mr_mr was starred mr_mr was unstarred
    Image of Maxichamp Maxichamp
    10/08/09

    @mr_mr: That's because they're speaking Cantonese, not Mandarin.
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    Image of mr_mr mr_mr
    10/08/09

    @Maxichamp: touché
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    Image of breadpudding breadpudding
    10/08/09

    In reply to Bus Seat Fistfight: More Transit Mayhem Policed By YouTube
    I would be lying if I said I did not get a kick out of this.

    That black woman was so typical with the finger in the face, trying to push the other person so they will react first all the while talking all kinds of trash. Of course, she lands up throwing the first punch. What a surprise.

    Well - she messed with the wrong woman. That Chinese lady was scrappy.

    You know, I read an article a few years back in the New York Times about Chinese immigrant high school students in Queens who routinely are beat up on the subway by black and Latino punks. It made me so sad. (Of course if it happened the other way even once we would never hear the end of it).

    I wish they had this woman to help them out.
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    10/08/09

    @breadpudding: Jesus, are you an awful person. I long for the days when commenters had to be approved in advance by Gawker.
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    Image of secretagentman secretagentman
    10/08/09

    @breadpudding: Human fail. Now as a 'typical' homo I will put my Judy Live at the Paladium record on and lipsynch while being sarcastic and witty, before my big march tomorrow trying to take away the sanctity of your marriage.
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