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    Image of DahlELama DahlELama
    11/29/09

    In reply to Saturday Night Special
    By the way, #SNL has some seriously horrendous hosts lined up for the next few weeks, so I expect lots of liveblogging in #SNS. Next week is Blake Lively, followed by Taylor Lautner(!!), followed by James Franco (who I respect for the whole soap thing, but seriously?), followed by Jay Baruchel, who I'm not sure has ever had more than four lines in any given movie. WTF?
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    Image of fatmonalisa fatmonalisa
    11/29/09

    @DahlELama: One thing to remember about SNL. It's not about the quality but the PR. SNL is the equivalent to an appearance on The Rachel Ray Show now.
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    11/29/09

    @fatmonalisa: I think you're undervaluing it immensely, actually. I've never seen as many articles about Taylor Swift as I did after she hosted SNL, not even after she swept award show after award show. Not to mention how popular and even arguably influential it was during campaign season. People talk about how irrelevant it is, and yet they managed to get Obama, McCain and his wife, Clinton, and Palin all on air. That's a hop, skip, and enormous jump away from Rachael Ray.
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    11/29/09

    @DahlELama: James Franco, heh, his GH stint is surreal. He'll probably be good on SNL. Why Taylor Lautner was even asked to host SNL is embarrassing. Jay Baruchel?
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    Image of JohntheCraptist JohntheCraptist
    11/29/09

    @DahlELama: Since you opened up the topic, can we briefly discuss the fact that the SNL rerun tonight with Gerard Butler (which is definitely from the current season since those two new women are in this episode) contained a sketch about '300', which came out close to three years ago? WTeffingF is going on with this show? Seriously. (I'm also fairly agog about Baruchel. Whoever manages him is either a very intimidating mafioso type, or, like, a warlock. [Oh my God, now there's a sketch on about 'Braveheart'. I CAN'T.])
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    Image of DahlELama DahlELama
    11/29/09

    @JohntheCraptist: Yeah, basically Butler will be living off 300 forever because it's the only remotely memorable thing he's done. And I say this having never even seen it, but assuming it must be because otherwise I can neither justify this SNL appearance nor his cover feature in Esquire. I actually thought his episode was OK, especially in a particularly bad season, but I wouldn't like to see him host again.

    As for Baruchel, I'd put twenty bucks on the warlock. Just the fact that his name looks familiar to me is astonishing and clearly the work of the devil and some potion featuring eye of newt. The truth is, he may have comedic chops and therefore not be so bad at SNL, but I find the show a lot less enjoyable when I'm not familiar with the host's work.
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    11/29/09

    @jasonelias: Have you been watching it? I keep forgetting to check it out but I'm dying to see it. Taylor Lautner is the most embarrassing of all, but yeah, Franco will probably be OK, plus I'm pretty sure he's done it before.
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    Image of croush1211 croush1211
    11/29/09

    @jasonelias: Yeah... I don't want to be "that guy", but I honestly have no idea who Jay Baruchel is, even after looking him up on Wikipedia.
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    Image of fatmonalisa fatmonalisa
    11/29/09

    @DahlELama: See, I think Taylor Swift has been on the PR campaign for a long while now and since the IMMA LET YOU FINISH thing. Also, she was totally set up with Taylor Lautner. Everyone knows that kid is gay like Zac Efron
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    Image of TheBusinessGuy TheBusinessGuy
    11/29/09

    @fatmonalisa: You're right. It's as if SNL has abandoned any attempt to be funny and is now simply about the "gets", as if the mere presence of a novel or high-profile guest host or a cameo by a politico makes the show good. Last night I watched an episode from the second season. In Update, Jane Curtin made a vicious comment about the Tonight Show with Carson being dead after 15 years on the air. Well, SNL has become that Tonight Show.
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    Image of Helio Helio
    11/29/09

    @croush1211: don't feel bad I am pretty anal about knowing who's who in the films i watch, and I usually win games of 6 degrees amongst my friends, but I didn't know who this kid was either. At least he's a comedic actor, maybe he'll have the best show yet.

    [www.imdb.com]
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    11/29/09

    @DahlELama: Yeah I've been catching off and on. Franco's character is insane and bordering on creepy. Most of his scenes are with Maxie and the last I saw they were having sex. Poor Spinelli!
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    11/29/09

    @croush1211: I had to do some surfing on him myself. Still don't know why he was asked to host SNL.
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    Image of DahlELama DahlELama
    11/29/09

    @fatmonalisa: Oh, she's definitely on the PR campaign; my point is that I think SNL is actually a great PR get. Of course, the next few weeks are making me rethink that whole stance...
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    Image of KA_editor KA_editor
    11/29/09

    @DahlELama: Why you hating on my desire to top James Franco while watching 300?
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    Image of DahlELama DahlELama
    11/29/09

    @KA_editor: I assure you, there's no way you'll find me hating on that anywhere in my comments.
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    Image of If_I_Had_a_Poodle If_I_Had_a_Poodle
    11/29/09

    @DahlELama: They could all come to my house. I'd put out the good plates.
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    Image of Nick Denton Nick Denton
    11/04/09


    Nothing on the attack on Rachelle Hruska of Guest of a Guest?

    [twitter.com]

    I asked the party blogger -- who chronicles Manhattan's preppy set --what happened.

    "last night we popped in for the young lions after party.
    On friday night, upon leaving the U2 concert, my friend sarah and I were trying to get a cab on 8th ave and an angry drunk stranger hit me, her friend slapped her.
    def not news - think simko was probably trying to explain why I was in stitches last night."

    #tips #rachellehruska #guestofaguest
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    Edited by Nick Denton at 11/04/09 1:17 PM Nick Denton was starred Nick Denton was unstarred
    Image of EddieTheDane EddieTheDane
    07/14/09

    In reply to Guest of a Guest's Rachelle Hruska's Wild Hamptons Night
    I think it's spelled

    Hrachelle Hruska
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    Image of raincoaster raincoaster
    07/05/09

    In reply to Guest of a Guest's Rachelle Hruska's Wild Hamptons Night
    You know, Hunter S. Thompson used to exaggerate his encounters with the law too. So, um, something. Now his ghost hates me.


    I'll just go...

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    Image of Dally Dally
    06/22/09

    In reply to Slave Labor: The New, New-Media Profit Model
    If the internet kills off traditional journalism by destroying ad revenues and therefore the employers of traditional journalism, then what will the (unpaid) internet re-bloggers use for content?


    I am now picturing the future of internet re-bloggers/news aggregators/gossip sites as a whole lot of puppies spinning around, chasing their own tails, briefly interrupted by the odd publicist wielding a rolled up media release to be used as copy by the dizzy puppies.

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    Image of Trulymadlyme Trulymadlyme
    06/22/09

    @Dally: I am more than sure that there are groups of undergrads at Stanford, MIT and CalTech working on this right now.
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    Image of If_I_Had_a_Poodle If_I_Had_a_Poodle
    06/22/09

    In reply to Slave Labor: The New, New-Media Profit Model
    i am enjoying commenting much more now that commenters are paid
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    Image of Peter Feld Peter Feld
    06/22/09

    In reply to Slave Labor: The New, New-Media Profit Model
    Let's be clear about HuffPo: they are right not to pay their bloggers. Why? The bloggers, collectively, bring no traffic to the site. Not surprising, considering they are not featured anywhere, certainly not on the home page and barely on the landing pages. Therefore, blogging for HuffPo is purely a vanity exercise, the thrill of seeing your words beneath their logo. Dumenco is right about the real business model of HuffPo, though I would be both more and less generous to them. More, because I don't think all their traffic comes from the exploitation stuff, Rihanna etc. (The fallacy is in thinking that because something is the "top post" it therefore accounts for a large share of the traffic. A post can be a "top post" and account for 2% of the traffic or under.) Their traffic seems to come from taking a story from the NYT or WaPo, giving it a catchier, liberal-friendly headline (here's where they're a liberal Drudge), linking to a 3-paragraph interstitial synopsis stolen from said news organization (here's where I'm less generous than Dumenco), and serving as a platform for comments -- their stories quickly accumulate hundreds. So it's a news aggregation and community play (which the commment-free Drudge would be smart to emulate). You can aptly fault her for stealing content from the Times, Post, etc., but she certainly shouldn't be paying her bloggers -- she's doing them a favor by making their content look like it has had some sort of editorial vetting and lending them her brand.
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    06/22/09

    @Peter Feld: I'm not referring to the few celeb bloggers you do see on the HuffPo home page, but the vast bulk of earnest writers who have a perch there.
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    Image of Sheila Sheila
    06/22/09

    In reply to Slave Labor: The New, New-Media Profit Model
    Hey--ASSME certainly doesn't pay me! I'll cop to being an occasional free-blogger.
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    Image of Foster Kamer Foster Kamer
    06/22/09

    @Sheila: My bad! I heard you guys were paid! I heard wrong. Motherfuck! Apolgies, Sheila. I'll pay you a drink for that comment.
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    Image of Anthony De Rosa Anthony De Rosa
    06/21/09

    In reply to Slave Labor: The New, New-Media Profit Model
    How are Gawker interns any different than people who snap pictures at parties? We're not exactly talking labor intensive work here.
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    Image of Dave_Seaman Dave_Seaman
    06/22/09

    @Soup: For what it's worth, being an elder-greeter at Wal-Mart or a data entry slave are not particularly labor intensive either, but both of those jobs pay.


    I think when we label writing and journalism (even sad 'party journalism') as useless and not labor intensive, well, that's exactly the kind of product we are eventually going to get.


    You always need to pay for quality work. I don't go to a doctor who does it just for the "exposure" or the "experience" of being a physician, and I don't want to read publications staffed by people there for the free food or the guest list.

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    Image of Anthony De Rosa Anthony De Rosa
    06/22/09

    @Dave_Seaman:


    Dave,


    I agree completely, I think honest work deserves honest pay. My point is about accuracy. Gawker doesn't pay their video interns and they're explicated told not to have editorial aspirations. So Gawker, like GofaG has a staff that is "largely unpaid." as well. Are they both running businesses based upon slave labor? It would be difficult for Gawker to exist without the help of unpaid or underpaid workers.


    Gawker pays their writers, but how much, and is it enough to not be considered slave labor?


    The devil is all in the details. The details, which when left out can allow you to spin a story in any direction you wish.

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    Image of Sheila Sheila
    06/22/09

    @Soup: Good points, all. I actually did start out on this site as an intern, and I DID get paid---a small amount, but, still.
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    Image of Anthony De Rosa Anthony De Rosa
    06/22/09

    @Sheila:


    My original post in this thread was meant to be sarcastic. I actually think the video interns do important and difficult work. Having to sort through tons of video to find things worth posting is as valuable as actually curating posts for Gawker, in fact it is almost the same thing. Granted you don't need to have the writing skills to write a narrative around it but it is still valuable work that is, as I understand it, unpaid.

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    Image of Sheila Sheila
    06/22/09

    @Soup: It's true! The video interns are awesome.
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    Image of Anthony De Rosa Anthony De Rosa
    06/21/09

    In reply to Slave Labor: The New, New-Media Profit Model
    This is an excellent piece but people make a lot of assumptions about compensation. For example, I assume that Foster doesn't get paid for this, and he's basically auditioning for the weekend gig. I could be wrong but someone who wants to do a proper job at writing one of these pieces should ask questions or at least attempt to get the answers.


    Foster, did you actually bother to interview Rachelle? I'm sure she's not very hard to reach.

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    Image of BrianVan BrianVan
    06/21/09

    @Soup: In which the questioner of facts presents an assumption that is completely incorrect. Not that your assumption is misguided... it's just that... Soup, did you actually bother to interview Foster? I'm sure he's not very hard to reach.


    #boomroasted


    I kid, I kid.


    I can confirm independently that GofaG is both largely built on free labor AND does arrange paid freelance gigs for some of their contributors on particular occasions.


    Now if you'll excuse me, I have to go line up for some free bread before it's all gone.

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    Image of mmstk101 mmstk101
    06/21/09

    @Soup: I hope Foster's getting paid . . .


    Either way, though, good post!

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    Image of MisterHippity MisterHippity
    06/21/09

    @Soup: So what you're saying is: 1) It's an excellent piece, and 2) Foster didn't do proper job of writing it.


    ...?

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    Image of Foster Kamer Foster Kamer
    06/22/09

    @Soup: If I didn't get paid for this shit, I would be writing this post about what an asshole I was. I HAVEN'T HAD A DAY OFF IN SIX WEEKS. DOES IT SHOW YET?
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    Image of Foster Kamer Foster Kamer
    06/22/09

    @Soup: Also, why would I need to quote Rachelle on this? The only question I have about her NYT piece is who's house she's at in the Hamptons, which the NYT totally glazed over. Everything else was pretty much there. Am I missing anything? Serious question. I'm not looking for quotes or for them to defend themselves, this was strictly a: here's what I have, here's what I'm writing. You know who I should've gone to quote for this weekend, though? Sklar.
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    Image of Anthony De Rosa Anthony De Rosa
    06/22/09

    @Foster Kamer:


    Because you're making assumptions about how and why Rachelle runs her business rather than asking her yourself. Also, because you've got questions for her, which you could easily ask. Like why can't she pay her people, and if she can, why won't she?


    As for getting paid, I hope they are paying you and paying you well. I enjoy your posts here, even if I wished you had contacted the subjects for a quote.

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    Image of narnio narnio
    06/22/09

    @Soup: Vanity Project. Vanity Project. Vanity Project.
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    Image of BrianVan BrianVan
    06/21/09

    In reply to Slave Labor: The New, New-Media Profit Model
    It maintains that everyone is responsible for their own finances.


    But an entrepreneur should be embarrassed to have to beg around for free work. It's like bouncing paychecks.


    And a worker should be embarrassed to accept an ongoing arrangement, un-negotiated, where their work has zero value. Even more embarrassing if you're someone who's parents built a fortune, and you repay the kindness of their financing your education by continuing to live off their teat while you are a professional unpaid scenester.


    But then again, we are all embarrassing!

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    Image of Foster Kamer Foster Kamer
    06/21/09

    In reply to Slave Labor: The New, New-Media Profit Model
    *As in, it was sent to me by no less than twelve people to cover this weekend. Since I know only four people, that, to me, is ballyhooed.
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    Image of Perhaps Not Perhaps Not
    05/19/09

    In reply to Smiling Through the Mediaocalypse
    I can't even imagine spending an evening with these ridiculous people as they try to impress each other with opinions on politics and the "news business" and whatever awful shit they're reading or listening to.
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    Image of Peter Feld Peter Feld
    05/18/09

    In reply to Smiling Through the Mediaocalypse
    Hey haters, we have feelings too!
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    Image of BookishLookish BookishLookish
    05/18/09

    @Peter Feld: Aw, you look cute in that photo up there. Cojalo suave, baybee, no te freaques!
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    Image of RachelSklar RachelSklar
    05/19/09

    @Peter Feld: Hey Peter, I like feeling you.
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    Image of Paul Boutin Paul Boutin
    05/18/09

    In reply to Smiling Through the Mediaocalypse
    Melissa, you got Skyboxed on your first post! Taurus and Fondue are all jumpy excited about it out here.
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