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    Image of HurtsSoGood HurtsSoGood
    11/25/09

    In reply to Outrage-Off: Ann Coulter vs. Dana Perino
    Dana Perino is more outrageous than that c***ed c*** Ann Coulter? Since when?
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    11/25/09

    In reply to Outrage-Off: Ann Coulter vs. Dana Perino
    Whoever wins, they are both losers, as are anyone who listens to them.
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    11/25/09

    In reply to Outrage-Off: Ann Coulter vs. Dana Perino
    This should be decided by a cat-fight. Coulter would decapitate Dana in the time it takes Glenn Beck to shed a single tear.
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    11/25/09

    In reply to Outrage-Off: Ann Coulter vs. Dana Perino
    I'd call it a draw.
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    11/25/09

    In reply to Outrage-Off: Ann Coulter vs. Dana Perino
    Can't affirmative action apply for advancing either race or sex? So, by argument couldn't Ann Coulter's comments about requiring affirmative action to get a "paper hat" job apply to herself, but I guess she is too smart to see that one coming.

    Also, as a proud paper hat jobber, I take offense at Ann's comments . I cannot wear any other material than paper because I am allergic to felt or cloth when I wear my hat for work.
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    Mediahohoho promoted this comment Edited by watson2001 at 11/25/09 4:42 PM watson2001 was starred watson2001 was unstarred
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    11/26/09

    @watson2001: I've read what Ann Coulter calls her "writing." If it weren't for the time-honored affirmative action of hot chicks that put out getting whatever they want in life, Ann Coulter couldn't get a job writing up the yard sales column for the local weekly gazette.
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    11/25/09

    In reply to Outrage-Off: Ann Coulter vs. Dana Perino
    I think their respective stupidity cancels the other out and makes them Sarah Palin.
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    11/25/09

    In reply to Outrage-Off: Ann Coulter vs. Dana Perino
    As for Ms. Perino, her comment is taken somewhat out of context. "There were no terrorist attacks on our country during President Bush's term."***

    ***= Unless you count September 11, 2001, which we in the Republican party no longer acknowledge as a date on the calendar. In fact, when we in the Republican party need emergency help via telephone, we don't even use the numbers 9-1-1.

    We have the hired help dial it up.
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    11/25/09

    In reply to Outrage-Off: Ann Coulter vs. Dana Perino
    "A racist bone in my body..." Food for thought, Ms. Coulter, delicious food for thought...
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    11/25/09

    In reply to Outrage-Off: Ann Coulter vs. Dana Perino
    This is tough, on one hand, Perino outrageously ignores the largest terror attack on U.S. soild in American history, thereby dishonoring all the dead from that day, plus the thousands who have died since in the name of that day, just to score imaginary points for her culpable boss. Then again, she's gotten a huge assist from the media --all of the media -- who have never treated 9/11 as the scandalous lapse in American security that it was, the blame for which rest squarely at the feet of her bosses.

    On the other hand, Coulter's comment would just be par of the course on any given Tuesday in that gal's life if she hadn't fallen back on the, "of course, I wouldn't have made my racially charged comment were I an actual racist" defense, which is the surest sign I know of that the person in question is, actually, a big fat racist.

    By the way, it's Ann Coulter, 48.
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    11/25/09

    @Mediahohoho: Not only is she 48, but she has never denied helping Glenn Beck bury that girl he killed in the 90's.
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    11/25/09

    @Mediahohoho: IN DOG YEARS.
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    11/25/09

    @valet_of_the_dolls: And yet she looks almost not like a cadaver.
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    11/25/09

    In reply to Outrage-Off: Ann Coulter vs. Dana Perino
    Dana Perino for the win as she has apparently forgotten the past 8 years of US History or is still working for Bush (Obama, if you are reading this, DO NOT GIVE HER A JOB).
    Ann is just racists. But since she knows that she is racist, she is not being racist by expelling her racist remarks.
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    11/25/09

    @kathotdog006: The outrage-off goes to Obama for nominating Perino to the Broadcasting Board of Governors. Don't worry he'll find a place for Ann!
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    Image of Atilla the Bun Atilla the Bun
    11/25/09

    @La Mareada: He had to appoint some Repubs because it has to be bipartisan as a matter of law. And it's basically in charge of broadcasting pro-U.S. propaganda, which doesn't exactly require a strong inclination for the truth. Seems like a good fit for her.
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    11/25/09

    In reply to Outrage-Off: Ann Coulter vs. Dana Perino
    In the spirit of charity, I award my vote to Coulter. Once Sarah Palin appeared on the scene, Ann had to hand over her crown as Queen of the Mean Girls. The right wing can adore just one nasty pretty lady at a time. (Not that I ever thought Ann was pretty, but apparently some benighted souls do, or did.)
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    11/25/09

    In reply to Outrage-Off: Ann Coulter vs. Dana Perino
    Ann Coulter is a racist, but I live in LA and often see Maxine Waters on the local news or read about her in the press and she is quite stupid. One of her more impressively stupid comments, if you recall, was when she said that the LA Riots weren't riots, but a rebellion, stating: "If you call it a riot it sounds like it was just a bunch of crazy people who went out and did bad things for no reason."

    God help me for agreeing with Ann Coulter.
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    11/25/09

    @quiestin: But how is Rep. Waters' quote any different from the Reupblicans' ridiculous and incessant use of euphemisms?

    Also: if affirmative action promotes stupid people and white privilege promotes stupid people, aren't we really living in a post-racial society?
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    11/25/09

    I just figured out how to edit myself. Nevermind.
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    11/25/09

    @quiestin: i agree with Lysergic. I think you need to choose a better quote than that to portray her "stupidity." And while I'm not making a judgment call on the LA Riots specifically, one person's riot usually is another person's rebellion.
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    11/25/09

    @quiestin: Actually, that's an argument that quite a few people make, and it has some merit. Do you really think the riots occurred "for no reason"? Were you living in L.A. at the time? The Police Dept. at that point was by nearly everyone's admission almost absurdly racist and oppressive toward minority people, particularly African Americans. There's a reason there were investigations in the wake of the Rodney King beating, that the Christopher Commission issued a scathing report, and that L.A.P.D Police Chief Darryl Gates resigned. You can argue that the riots were a bad way to deal with the tremendous amount of pent-up rage felt by working-class black people in Los Angeles at the time, but I don't see how anyone can say the riots happened for no reason.
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    11/25/09

    @Helio: Sure, one person's terrorist act is another's fighting the powers-that-be.
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    11/25/09

    @momof3wildkids: And one person's terrorist campaign is another person's police force.
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    11/25/09

    @quiestin: aside from the rodney king verdict, paying 4.50 for a gallon of milk dated november 23rd on november 25th at the corner deli (when it was 2.99 in pasadena ca. 1992) was "reason" enough for me.

    call me a crazy liberal.
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    11/25/09

    @MissNormaDesmond: Too true.

    #tips
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    11/25/09

    @MissNormaDesmond: I'm sure that the riots did happen for a reason, but that doesn't justify the violence, looting, etc..

    It is no different than making an excuse for a parent that abuses a child... 'but they were driving me nuts, so I had a reason to whack them.'

    I don't think that we can 'argue' that the riots were a bad way to deal with the 'pent up rage'-- I think we can just make that a declarative statement.

    #tips
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    11/25/09

    @MissNormaDesmond: @momof3wildkids: well i'm glad we are seeing eye to eye on this one. I think. Ok probably not.

    Mom, you are right that we can all agree that violence is never the answer. But when confronted with violence, is it not easy to see that ones first reaction would be violence?

    Furthermore, I don't see how you can believe that after invading countries without cause, and killing countless human beings, and not think someone's gonna want to bomb the shit out of us. Sometimes the "powers-that-be" are being fucking assholes.

    Do you consider the Boston Tea Party to be a rebellion or riot? I'm pretty sure the British called it the latter and they had every right to. But to us, the colonists were fighting for their freedoms and all that jazz, and in the mean time other people's shit got ruined.

    It's all about perspective.

    #tips
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    11/25/09

    @Helio: No, we completely agree. Perspective is key. For instance, you claim that the we invaded countries without cause. I promise you that there are some who feel there was a cause attached to us going to Iraq and Afghanistan. Perspective.

    I also agree with you that one's initial reaction to violence is violence. Doesn't make it right or excusable. I think whether or not it is "Newtonian" in nature (an equal response to an action) or whether you go postal makes a difference here.

    All that said, I recognize that I am a white, educated and upper middle class gal. What do I really know about racism or really even sexism? Not much.
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    11/25/09

    @momof3wildkids: Pulling out half a sentence in such a way as to distort what was meant by it is kind of bad form. The point is that however you feel about the riot/uprising/rebellion/wienie roast, you can't say it occurred for no reason. The rest of what I'd say has been very ably stated by Helio.
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    11/25/09

    @MissNormaDesmond: I take issue with the bad form comment. I think I get and agree with what Helio says here . Perspective is key to understanding why something happens, but it doesn't necessarily excuse what happens.

    To give an example from my fine Irish history, my mother was an alcoholic as was her father and the disease probably went several (many?) generations back. Does that excuse her alcoholism? No, but it does explain it. Still, we can easily claim that it was a bad response to a shitty situation.
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    11/26/09

    @momof3wildkids: Quoting from the first clause of the sentence I wrote while ignoring the second one made it seem that I was saying something other than what I did. I'm willing to believe you didn't do this on purpose, but that was the result.

    Again, what I was saying was that whatever anyone's position on the rightness or wrongness of what took place in L.A. in April of '92 is, they can't possibly argue that it happened for no reason. Please don't make me paraphrase myself again, and please stop thinking I was in any way justifying the riots. I was simply taking issue with the idea that it was entirely random and without cause.
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    11/26/09

    @MissNormaDesmond: I apologize if you think I was accusing you of believing the riots happened without reason. I don't believe that. I don't believe that the reasons justified the violence, but it wasn't out of the blue either.
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    11/26/09

    @momof3wildkids: We were attacked by 19 Saudis and that gave us a reason to attack Iraq? Uhhhh...what exactly was the reason again? I always thought it a bit strange when the army had Bin Laden in its sights that they weren't given the OK to go ahead and kill him. Then I realized the Bush clan has quite a cozy relationship with the Saudis and the Bin Ladens. I guess the 100,000 Iraqis we killed made up for not actually killing the guy who financed the attack. At least John McCain was right in that the Iraqis greeted us as liberators. Oh, wait, that didn't happen either. That spineless Obama was one of the few cowards who thought it was a bad idea to attack Iraq. Damn that muslin.
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    11/27/09

    @ParahSalin: The situation isn't nearly as simplistic as you claim. Bin Laden was also in the crosshairs during Clinton's years and the go ahead wasn't given either.

    As for Iraq, while I did not back this war, I haven't lost a wink of sleep that Saddam is no longer in power. He was a genocidal maniac, just ask the Kurds. He was also stupid enough to claim that he had weapons of mass destruction in a big dick swinging move. He thought this would give him an edge and he made an error in judgment. The US intelligence community failed miserably here, but I do think Saddam was harboring terrorists or at the very least giving them safe haven.

    I have no problem with Obama standing up for what he believes in -- he was correct in this case. I've never called him a coward, just foolish with regard to some current policies he has proposed.
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    11/27/09

    @momof3wildkids: Saddam wasn't swinging his dick, in actuality he was saying that he had nuclear weapons to keep the Iranians off his ass. The man who was supplying Bush with information about WMD was actually a double agent from Iran, and hence we did Iran's dirty work for them. Iraq kept Iran (which is a far greater danger to the Mideast and the world) in check, but mission accomplished for the Iranians, we got rid of him for them, at no cost to them, and trillions of dollars for us. Well played on their part. Saddam was way too much of an egomaniac to let Al Qaeda into his country. To quote the Israeli Mossad "you attacked the wrong country." In addition, Bush and company knew that Saddam hadn't purchased any yellow cake uranium from Niger, Joe Wilson told them that, but they preferred to out his wife as a US spy, rather than listen to him. They also had one of their fellow travelers, Colin Powell, telling them it would be foolish to invade Iraq. I don't know which of Obama's policies you're complaining about, but on his worst day, Barack Obama is about 1000 times better than Bush was on a good day. Let's compare and contrast: Bush handed budget surpluses as far as the eye could see, plus a memo warning him in August of 2001 that an attack on US soil was imminent. On the former he decided it was crucial to start spending like a drunken sailor immediately, on the latter he chose to ignore the warning and let us be attacked. Obama handed massive deficits, a collapsing economy and two wars that have no end in sight that we can't afford. I rest my case.
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    11/27/09

    @ParahSalin: When your claim to fame is being better than GWB, you have achieved a very hollow victory.

    Getting back to the point of this thread.... I reiterate perspective is key. Additionally, just because you don't understand someone's perspective doesn't make it any less valid -- thus the Ca riots happening for a reason.
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    11/28/09

    @momof3wildkids: I understand your perspective, I just think you're wrong. George Bush was an idiot to invade Iraq, and if you think otherwise that's your opinion, which is totally not fact based. If it was wise to fight every dictator in the world, we'd be at war constantly against multiple states. We invaded Iraq because a bunch of idiot neocons (all of whom were too cowardly to fight in Vietnam) thought it would be a good idea, and thought it would pay for itself. Wrong and wrong again. It hasn't paid for itself in any way, and it never will, exclusive of Halliburton share price. Furthermore, I'd take Maxine Waters over Anne Coulter any day of the week.
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    11/25/09

    In reply to Outrage-Off: Ann Coulter vs. Dana Perino
    Why can't there be a tie?
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    11/25/09

    In reply to Outrage-Off: Ann Coulter vs. Dana Perino
    I just noticed something: Ann Coulter is NOT wearing a black cocktail dress. Is something wrong? Is she okay? What happened?

    I'd say what Dana Perino said is pretty effing awful, but I doubt she said it thinking "9/11 didn't happen on Bush's watch." I'm pretty sure she knows it did. Forgetting is just sloppy, but Ann Coulter is just blatantly racist and awful and should have her human card revoked.
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    11/25/09

    @mimigoliath: Yeah, Coulter is outrageous while I think Perino is just stupid.

    I've heard wingnuts (many of whom I will be seeing in the next 24 hours; hi Mom & Dad!) say many a time about how Bush "kept us safe" for 8 years or some similar platitude. No Bushy, you didn't.
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    11/25/09

    @mimigoliath: I don't know. Considering that Perino was the spokesperson for the administration who arguably made Sept. 11th their single, sole talking point for virtually every policy decision of almost seven years, that's pretty unforgivably stupid. Like, single-celled organism stupid.
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    11/25/09

    @Atilla the Bun: In fact, he failed pretty much right away, didn't he? Maybe that's why people think Obama should have gotten more done in less than a year because look at how quickly Bush screwed up! Surely something could have happened by now!
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    11/25/09

    @Atilla the Bun: I've seen Maxine Waters speak in person. Hate to break it to you, but she doesn't have two brain cells to click together. Perino was quite stupid in this video (assuming it wasn't edited in some way that deleted some context).

    So both white and black women can be stupid. Guess it really isn't racist but sexism.
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    11/25/09

    @momof3wildkids: I don't care if Waters has the I.Q. of a soap dish, that doesn't mean she got where she is because of affirmative action, e.g., her race. It is Coulter's knee-jerk assumption about that issue that makes her statement outrageous.

    And frankly, I think Coulter would be offended if people DIDN'T find her statement outrageous. She could have easily just said that she found Water dumb; she brought the racial angle in for the controversy it would cause. Now I just got off of work and have to deal with wingnuts all day tomorrow, so where is the damn booze....
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    11/25/09

    @Atilla the Bun: Getting where she is because of her race isn't the same as as affirmative action. She was duly elected by her constituents.

    But yea, Coulter added the whole piece about affirmative action so we'd be talking about her now. Doesn't make Waters any less of a tool though.
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    11/25/09

    @mimigoliath: The black cocktail dress may have finally disintegrated in the wash. On the same note, Dana Perino seems to be less cute and perky than her days in the WH Press Office. I guess the worry of having a Kenyan muslin in the Oval Office is wearing on her.
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    11/26/09

    @onebadclam: And the fact that she was appointed to her current job by said Kenyan Muslim has to weigh on her a little, too.
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    11/25/09

    In reply to Outrage-Off: Ann Coulter vs. Dana Perino
    I remember when Dana Perino was a guest on the Daily Show and it was so painful to watch her. She had to be one of the worst guest in the history of the Daily Show. Her appearances on Fox News aren't any better. Why do they keep letting her on air? Is it because she is a pretty blond lady?
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    11/25/09

    @heywhat: What was even worse than her performance in this 'interview' was that the usually-acerbic Jon Stewart was reduced to someone closely resembling a fawning sycophant in her presence.
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    11/26/09

    @Lysergic Asset: I, too, hate it when Stewart forgets to bring his spine and brain to work.
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    11/26/09

    @anchower: I still cringe with disgust when I think of that interview. It sure explains why so many bubble-headed beauty queens are fronting the right side of the political spectrum.

    In his interview with Lou Dobbs, Jon Stewart managed to say to his face that he finds his beliefs "wrong and abhorrent", yet he couldn't once ask Dana Perino a substantive question, let alone any question without giggling or fluttering his eyelashes?
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    @Lysergic Asset: An even worse interview was the one discussed here:

    [www.democracynow.org]

    Stewart can come off real douchey when he gets on his high horse about shit he doesn't know enough about, or when he rags on some Democrat or other liberal just for the sake of not always only ragging on Republicans. But he was at his best vis-a-vis Lou Dobbs.
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    08:58 AM

    @anchower: That's a great link/ point of reference for this discussion. I admire and appreciate Jon Stewart because, while he's aware that he's smarter than many, he's always willing to reveal himself as human, warts and all (which includes the flustered flirtation with the likes of Dana Perino).

    You're so right that Stewart's liberal digs often fall flat. My favorite was when he said something like, "On his visit to Jerusalem, Barack Obama also took some time to visit the manger where he was born."
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