Would it have been worse for George Allen politically had he not racially mocked an Indian-American kid but used a racial slur against an African -American person instead? Is it less bad to use racist slurs against non-black minorities? 40% of African-Americans in VA don't care that George Allen called an Indian-American a monkey.
I ask because there are many unspoken tensions between black people and other minorities in the South. Unlike latinos and black people, people of Asian descent, whether South Asian or East Asian do not have strong unified national organizations to advocate for them. While most white liberals despise George Allen, what's going unaddressed is why black Virginians support him. Would they continue to support him if there was footage showing him being racist towards a black person? I understand that these are uncomfortable questions for Gawker's predominantly white liberal audience. But I believe they need to be asked.
@Wrapitup: I don't live in Virginia, I live in Georgia so I can't speak for blacks from there. But here in Georgia there are definitely tensions between non-black minorities and African-Americans. Many African-Americans have resentful and bitter feelings towards them because they were able to immigrate and then better themselves by buying businesses in impoverished predominantly black neighborhoods. The feelings are misplaced and jealousy is probably the root cause.
There are plenty of African-Americans who are intimidated by the ever growing population of non-black minorities, especially the latino community.
Before the whole scandal, back in 2005, a former temp coworker and friend of mine worked at Allen's front desk in DC. She was mixed, part Trinidadian. She didn’t talk about the job very often and within 6 months, she quit.
We found out later that Allen had repeatedly mentioned how it was amazing someone like her went to a good college, etc, that she was surprisingly well spoken, considering. Also, as she fielded calls people would rail against minorities. She realized then that they had hired her as so they could seem multi-cultural. After the whole macaca thing I realized that was her former employer and we all were relieved she left when she did.
As a seventeen-year-old senior, George Allen wore a Confederate flag pin in his yearbook. He just went downhill from there.In fucking California!!From Ryan Lizza's New Republic piece on Allen from 2006 (sorry about the length of this, fellas, but it encompasses all you really need to know about George Allen's character):
"I stared closely at Allen's smirk in his photo, weighing whether his old classmates were just out to destroy him. And then I noticed something on his collar. It's hard to make out, but then it becomes obvious. Seventeen-year-old George Allen is wearing a Confederate flag pin.
Still, I wasn't sure I'd ask him about it. And then he says something that changes my mind. As a child, Allen tells me, before he even moved to California, he learned about the painful history of the South when his dad would take the kids on long drives from Chicago to New Orleans and other Southern cities for football bowl games. There was one searing memory from those trips he shares with me. "I remember," Allen says, "driving through--somehow, my father was on some back road in Mississippi one time--and we had Illinois license plates. And it was a time when some of the freedom riders had been killed, and somehow we're on this road. And you see a cross burning way off in the fields. I was young at the time. I just remember the sense of urgency as we were driving through the night, a carload of people with Illinois license plates--that this is not necessarily a safe place to be."
Now the pin seemed even worse. Why would a young man with such a sensitive understanding of Southern racial conflict and no Southern heritage wear a Confederate flag in his formal yearbook photo?
I finally ask him if he remembers the pin, explaining that another of his classmates had the same one in his photo, a guy named Deke. "No," Allen says with a laugh. "Where is this picture?" He leans forward over his desk and tightens his lip around the plug of Copenhagen in his mouth. "Hmmm." He pauses. He speaks slowly, apparently searching his memory. "Well, it's no doubt I was rebellious," he says, "a rebellious kid. I don't know. Unless we were doing something for the fun of it. Deke was from Texas. He was a good friend. Let me think." He stretches back in the chair, his boots sticking out from underneath his desk. "Yeah, yeah, that's interesting. I'll have to find it myself." Another pause. "I don't know. We would probably do things to upset people from time to time."
@RonMwangaguhunga: Lovely. There are many good people in and from the South (I bang one on a regular basis). Why can't they ever run? Why is it always these knuckle-draggers?
He's certainly a racist, but his whole "good ole boy" schtick is just as real as GW Bush's Texas ranching roots.
Basically he went to UVA (from California originally) and mainlined the frat boy kool aid. I love that he was telling a native Virginian "welcome to the real world of Virginia". Overcompensate much?
@paxcincinnatus: And chewing tobacco. He was big on that, especially on the campaign trail. Jim Webb must have detested this fake-ass preppy good old boy shithead.
Hey, I'm a voting Virginian and I don't want him back! So please amend to "SOME Virginians Want..." or "Moronic Groups of Virginians Fail to Learn From Experience"--kthxbai.
@Novaload Is Just Plain Novaload Again: I agree, and in extra defense of our state, I would like to point out that Virginia wen to Obama in the election.
@Kona: Virginia came through in the clutch, no doubt. Also: when faced with the choice of Jim Webb's appeal to the better angels of Virginia and Allen's Lowest Common Denominator demogoguery, the state showed its mettle.
@oneinsixbillion: Then why must he dedicate an entire hour twisting the meaning of an out of context quote? Face it. his thrust is to instill fear and panic in the more gullible amongst us.
@onebadclam: I guess that logic explains why President Obama must dedicate hours upon hours trying to explain what he plans to do with healthcare. It all makes perfect sense now! If you need to go on TV to explain anything at all, then it must be only to instill fear and panic into the gullible TV viewers...
That is obviously sarcasm. The point: how about keeping an eye on comments that can act as a double edged sword. Glenn Beck does not ask you to watch his program, then take his word for it and go to sleep. He tells you to investigate, read, ask questions, then ask more questions...and if you take his word alone then you are a lazy fool.
The irony of this particular situation is...you, onebadclam, are the lazy fool. I hate to be so direct but it is a point that must be made...mainly because insults encourage others to sharpen their swords and prepare themselves for battle...which you, sir, are not prepared for...even though you have already thrust yourself into the battle.
The beauty of the situation is; you can read Gawker everyday and watch as the very thing you complained about in your above post takes place, then use those same tactics you claim Beck uses, and apply them back onto him AND his viewers. Yet you will go on, mindlessly denying the hypocrisy of your own statements... and little by little, help build up the hatred between people that tears us all apart.
You need to take a step back,and observe the comments Beck and his opponents make from an objective point of view. Pareene sure as hell isn't going to offer you an objective perspective here. I'm sure that if you are competent enough to post a comment on these useless articles written by incompetent bloggers, then you can complete my above "challenge."
@Kyle Houston: Sure, I am a lazy fool. The beauty of debunking Beck for the lazy fools like me is it doesn't take much research or effort. Let's take Beck's hysteria over Obama's "civilian national security force" that I referenced above. Beck spent an entire hour on Thursday demanding President Obama explain the need for his own personal army.
Throughout the program Beck kept replaying just that one sentence from Obama's speech. You know, the scary one. What Beck conveniently ignored, and what lazy fools such as I could find on youtube in just a few minutes, was the full broadcast of that speech. In particular, lazy fools such as I could hear the three minutes preceding that scary statement, and realize Obama was not calling for a new domestic Praetorian Guard. Lazy fools such as I could also post a link to that speech in an earlier thread right here on Gawker.
Now, one wonders why, if lazy fools such as I could find that speech so easily, could Beck and his staff of researchers not find the truth? Or is it more likely that he simply lied to his audience because the truth did not fit his Obama/New Hitler paradigm.
If Beck was so ignorant of, or lied about, a matter as easily verified as Obama's civilian national security force just how much ignorance and dishonesty are inherent in Beck's other proclamations of the imminent collapse of America as we know it?
Does anyone have an idea of exactly which demographs most of his viewers fall under? I've browsed through sites from all sides and outside of the lovers/haters, a lot of people think he makes some good points but is a loose cannon who might not be trustworthy.
Also, I'm getting flashbacks of Private Parts.
Researcher: The average radio listener listens for eighteen minutes. The average Howard Stern fan listens for - are you ready for this? - an hour and twenty minutes.
Pig Vomit: How can that be?
Researcher: Answer most commonly given? "I want to see what he'll say next."
Pig Vomit: Okay, fine. But what about the people who hate Stern?
Researcher: Good point. The average Stern hater listens for two and a half hours a day.
Pig Vomit: But... if they hate him, why do they listen?
Researcher: Most common answer? "I want to see what he'll say next."
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I ask because there are many unspoken tensions between black people and other minorities in the South. Unlike latinos and black people, people of Asian descent, whether South Asian or East Asian do not have strong unified national organizations to advocate for them. While most white liberals despise George Allen, what's going unaddressed is why black Virginians support him. Would they continue to support him if there was footage showing him being racist towards a black person? I understand that these are uncomfortable questions for Gawker's predominantly white liberal audience. But I believe they need to be asked.
09/02/09
There are plenty of African-Americans who are intimidated by the ever growing population of non-black minorities, especially the latino community.
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We found out later that Allen had repeatedly mentioned how it was amazing someone like her went to a good college, etc, that she was surprisingly well spoken, considering. Also, as she fielded calls people would rail against minorities. She realized then that they had hired her as so they could seem multi-cultural. After the whole macaca thing I realized that was her former employer and we all were relieved she left when she did.
09/02/09
As a seventeen-year-old senior, George Allen wore a Confederate flag pin in his yearbook. He just went downhill from there.In fucking California!!From Ryan Lizza's New Republic piece on Allen from 2006 (sorry about the length of this, fellas, but it encompasses all you really need to know about George Allen's character):
"I stared closely at Allen's smirk in his photo, weighing whether his old classmates were just out to destroy him. And then I noticed something on his collar. It's hard to make out, but then it becomes obvious. Seventeen-year-old George Allen is wearing a Confederate flag pin.
Still, I wasn't sure I'd ask him about it. And then he says something that changes my mind. As a child, Allen tells me, before he even moved to California, he learned about the painful history of the South when his dad would take the kids on long drives from Chicago to New Orleans and other Southern cities for football bowl games. There was one searing memory from those trips he shares with me. "I remember," Allen says, "driving through--somehow, my father was on some back road in Mississippi one time--and we had Illinois license plates. And it was a time when some of the freedom riders had been killed, and somehow we're on this road. And you see a cross burning way off in the fields. I was young at the time. I just remember the sense of urgency as we were driving through the night, a carload of people with Illinois license plates--that this is not necessarily a safe place to be."
Now the pin seemed even worse. Why would a young man with such a sensitive understanding of Southern racial conflict and no Southern heritage wear a Confederate flag in his formal yearbook photo?
I finally ask him if he remembers the pin, explaining that another of his classmates had the same one in his photo, a guy named Deke. "No," Allen says with a laugh. "Where is this picture?" He leans forward over his desk and tightens his lip around the plug of Copenhagen in his mouth. "Hmmm." He pauses. He speaks slowly, apparently searching his memory. "Well, it's no doubt I was rebellious," he says, "a rebellious kid. I don't know. Unless we were doing something for the fun of it. Deke was from Texas. He was a good friend. Let me think." He stretches back in the chair, his boots sticking out from underneath his desk. "Yeah, yeah, that's interesting. I'll have to find it myself." Another pause. "I don't know. We would probably do things to upset people from time to time."
Charmed, I'm sure.
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Basically he went to UVA (from California originally) and mainlined the frat boy kool aid. I love that he was telling a native Virginian "welcome to the real world of Virginia". Overcompensate much?
09/02/09
He's upgraded from football to fire-hose as his go-to prop. This will be great - don't let me down Virginians!
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That is obviously sarcasm. The point: how about keeping an eye on comments that can act as a double edged sword. Glenn Beck does not ask you to watch his program, then take his word for it and go to sleep. He tells you to investigate, read, ask questions, then ask more questions...and if you take his word alone then you are a lazy fool.
The irony of this particular situation is...you, onebadclam, are the lazy fool. I hate to be so direct but it is a point that must be made...mainly because insults encourage others to sharpen their swords and prepare themselves for battle...which you, sir, are not prepared for...even though you have already thrust yourself into the battle.
The beauty of the situation is; you can read Gawker everyday and watch as the very thing you complained about in your above post takes place, then use those same tactics you claim Beck uses, and apply them back onto him AND his viewers. Yet you will go on, mindlessly denying the hypocrisy of your own statements... and little by little, help build up the hatred between people that tears us all apart.
You need to take a step back,and observe the comments Beck and his opponents make from an objective point of view. Pareene sure as hell isn't going to offer you an objective perspective here. I'm sure that if you are competent enough to post a comment on these useless articles written by incompetent bloggers, then you can complete my above "challenge."
08/29/09
Throughout the program Beck kept replaying just that one sentence from Obama's speech. You know, the scary one. What Beck conveniently ignored, and what lazy fools such as I could find on youtube in just a few minutes, was the full broadcast of that speech. In particular, lazy fools such as I could hear the three minutes preceding that scary statement, and realize Obama was not calling for a new domestic Praetorian Guard. Lazy fools such as I could also post a link to that speech in an earlier thread right here on Gawker.
Now, one wonders why, if lazy fools such as I could find that speech so easily, could Beck and his staff of researchers not find the truth? Or is it more likely that he simply lied to his audience because the truth did not fit his Obama/New Hitler paradigm.
If Beck was so ignorant of, or lied about, a matter as easily verified as Obama's civilian national security force just how much ignorance and dishonesty are inherent in Beck's other proclamations of the imminent collapse of America as we know it?
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A paranoid-schitzophrenic? A bat-winged crime fighter? A dining room table? A jelly doughnut?
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I had to refer back to yesterday's Beck clip, but...
I'm not suggesting anything. I'm asking questions.
I don't know what this means.
08/28/09
excellent. that should be the blurb on the back of the DVD box.
08/28/09
Also, I'm getting flashbacks of Private Parts.
Researcher: The average radio listener listens for eighteen minutes. The average Howard Stern fan listens for - are you ready for this? - an hour and twenty minutes.
Pig Vomit: How can that be?
Researcher: Answer most commonly given? "I want to see what he'll say next."
Pig Vomit: Okay, fine. But what about the people who hate Stern?
Researcher: Good point. The average Stern hater listens for two and a half hours a day.
Pig Vomit: But... if they hate him, why do they listen?
Researcher: Most common answer? "I want to see what he'll say next."