is this anything more than 2 different audiences turning up their noses at each other? all i see are two millionaires with tired shtick working polar ends of the most obvious and media-friendly political positions to get some sweet sweet cash. bill o'reilly has been the same grumpy turd for a decade and stewart plays to his audience in similar fashion. shit even gawker agrees with me to a certain extent . . .
That was so weak.... what exactly was the point that Bill was trying to make? That Jon Stewart does a great job as a comedian by pointing out the hilarity of Republican nonsense? .. My theory: some people see the Daily Show as a semi-legitimate news show because Jon doesn't have to work that hard to make people laugh - to simply report on right-wing talking points is all he needs to do to elicit a chuckle.
Since when is Barack Obama a liberal? I don't know of any liberal who doesn't support marriage equality, and who doesn't oppose "don't ask don't tell". What kind of a liberal doesn't support tougher gun control laws? And who goes to church regularly?
@Niko Bellic: My conservative mind can't comprehend what you wrote. Are we calling Mosques churches now? He and his liberal gay buddies better stay away from my guns or will have to water the tree of... blah blah blah.
@Niko Bellic: *raises hand* I'm as liberal as it gets when it comes to gay marriage, raising all boats, health, education, etc. I'm also a supporter of the second amendment. That doesn't mean that I don't believe in more education and I certainly don't mind background checks, but I am pretty comfortable with the idea of defending myself and my family if necessary.
So just disregard Jon Stewart as he's just a funny liberal put on earth for our amusement and is to be taken no more seriously than a masturbating monkey or something, okay?
Well, as nutty as I think O'Reilly is - I think there is something to think about in here. Jon Stewart says over and over again: "I'm a comedian, I'm a comedian," so in a sense, why SHOULD I take him any more seriously than a masturbating monkey? And he does skew things to fit his (or rather "a") liberal agenda. Which is fine - I certainly agree with the spirit of that, if not the actual content of the arguments made on the show, which I often find lazy and annoying because it seems like they exist solely to get people to applaud and go "woooooooh!!!!" I just wish he'd walk the walk a little bit more (and more openly, without the safety of being a satirist) - he has on occasion - like he did on Crossfire a few years ago and also during the Jim Cramer roasting. But who knows? If he did that, maybe then he'd risk becoming easy-to-write-off wacko political celebrity fodder like Sean Penn, Susan Sarandon, and others.
@WackoJacko: I hope I don't sound too dismissive of your view, but the reason you should take Jon Stewart more seriously than a monkey is that Jon Stewart is a human and the monkey is a monkey. I hear you on the 'comedian' thing, but generally I take smart, witty humans more seriously than, well, any kind of animal. Or mineral. Or vegetable.
@WackoJacko: The reason I take Jon Stewart seriously (and I'm centrist, not liberal) is that he is the only person out there showing hypocrisy - whether on the Democratic or Republican side. How his guys come up with the clips they do - of politicians, protestors, media people, you name it, contradicting themselves when it so suits them - is what is worth listening to.
In the olden days, people read the newspaper op-ed pages. Now they tune in to Stewart. I do think he has a liberal bias, but I'm willing to take that over the GOD GOD GOD stuff I hear all the time over on Fox (and Beck saying they're going "to come for the Jews first" chilled my soul.)
@ligmasagbatch: Don't get me wrong - I do not mean to imply that Jon Stewart is a monkey or that his POV is not valid or that I even disagree with him - I guess what I'm fed up with is the entertainment factor of it all. It's hard for me to take anything he says seriously (or THAT seriously) when there's a studio audience full of cheering fans. I think that's why I prefer The Colbert Report. Because the satire is much more trenchant, which to me, is funnier, and therefore I hear the political point more. With Jon, the artifice isn't there and so I don't see what's funny and therefore the political points strike out with me more? I don't know, but he frequently makes me roll my eyes, which he shouldn't, because I'm liberal and left-leaning and I like to laugh. Ooh, I love all that alliteration.
@FormerEnglishMajor: I love liberal bias and I also don't want to hear GOD GOD GOD either. I think what I'm responding to is that I feel like Jon often skates dangerously close to strawmanship, which is what Bill O'Reilly and other Fox News folks do and I think Jon is smarter than that.
@WackoJacko: Yeah. As much as I love Stewart, he hides behind that "I can say anything I want and if you get mad you're a bad sport because I'm just a comedian. Also, You suck and your entire belief system sucks" bullshit waaaaay too often.
@Bill Zilla: I think he's much better in interviews when he has to interact with his subjects and actually articulate his POV like in his interview with Betsy McCaughey:
@WackoJacko: You can take Stewart "seriously" because he and his staff are using FACTS to create humor based on FACTS. Those weren't made-up clips from Fox, using actors with prosthetic noses to look like O'Reilly, et al. So even if you equate Stewart with a money, the truth of the footage used should override that. They were pointed out to be hypocrites and there were facts to back that claim up, humor or not.
@WackoJacko: I agree with the strawmanship. Fox News will basically ALWAYS have an opinion to ridicule, so why keep doing it? I find JS much more funny when he exposes politicians' hypocrisy (since what they do actually can become law) than media hypocrisy (since even the weatherman does the whole "GRAB THE DOG AND SET OUT FOR HIGH GROUND, THERE'S GONNA BE AT LEAST AN EIGHTH OF AN INCH OF RAIN TONIGHT!")
@Ken Green: Again, I do NOT equate Jon with a monkey - I was just riffing on Cajun's quote. And I don't disagree with the notion that TDS uses facts, but I do think that TDS does frequently distort the other side as much as the other side distorts Jon Stewart or liberals in general, which for me is nothing more than ego-stroking, which is fine, but it doesn't really influence how I think about any of the issues that much. That's why I don't take it/him all that seriously--because he doesn't either--he's a comedian. I wonder if that's why Al Franken eventually left comedy and went into politics? Because at a certain point, making satirical jokes wasn't enough? Can you imagine a Senator Jon Stewart? If he was able to take all that intelligence and passion and liberal fire into actual policy? My penis stiffens at the thought.
@WackoJacko: Absolutely. I love the guy and what he does, I just find his inability to own up to the stuff he says when challenged a little.. beneath him, I guess?
I was going to say something snippy about O'Reilly giving Stewart permission to do his job, along with his wink and nod about Jon being funny, but after reading some of the previous comments, I have to wonder if I've fallen down the rabbit hole into the mirror image of a TVNewser ratings post...
1) I ran a search and was very surprised that Stewart hasn't already been on O'Reilly. I knew that Colbert had done it and I thought maybe Jon had done one around the same time, but it looks like he hasn't done one yet. I don't know why he wouldn't, but we might have to wait until Jon is promoting another book.
2) O'Reilly has already done TDS and he didn't get his "ass handed to him". If you watch the uncut clip [www.thedailyshow.com] the first segment is a couple of old-school entertainers laying-out the parameters of their characters and the second set is like two guys discussing politics over drinks.
@lolgreg: Thanks. I thought maybe there had been an appearance to promote the last book (the same tour which included Crossfire and multiple Nightlines), but I had simply ran a search through FoxNews and given-up after a couple of pages. Thanks.
(Obviously, I watch TDS more than I watch "Factor")
@Magister: Oh me too definitely, I don't think I've ever seen a full episode of the O'Reilly Factor. (Although I'm Canadian so I'm not even too sure if I'd be able to on tv haha). I just remember coming across the video on youtube a while back.
His appearance on Crossfire was hilarious. He was so frustrated with those douchey hosts.
"Additionally, O'Reilly did play two clips from the offending Daily Show segment that appear to have been taken mildly out of context"
Ok let's take an objective look at this statement for a moment. I enjoyed Jon Stewart's video you posted last night as much as the next guy (because taking people out of context not only boosts ratings, but it also is hilarious... which is undeniable); but for you, Cajun Boy, to make the above statement (which is loaded with blatant sarcasm) about this O'Reilly clip and praise Stewart's clip last night is COMPLETELY hypocritical and biased.
Now... I know it is not in your agenda to display any form of journalistic integrity (after all, what you do for Gawker is far from journalism... lets hope liberal smear tanks have a job for you when you have worn out your welcome here), but the least you could do is put things into perspective and display just a teeny bit of objectivity.
Those of you who fail to see the hypocrisy here baffle me. This is just another example of partisan smear campaigns. Fox News is running a smear campaign against Democrats, and Gawker (well more specifically Cajun Boy - Great Army!) is running a smear campaign against Fox News. I guess the old saying never got through to this crowd. "You shouldn't fight fire with fire."
@Kyle Houston: Yikes. Also, woof. Thirdly, ugh. Did Cajun Boy steal your lunch money? To watch that clip and not comprehend the utter ridiculousness of O'Reilly's stand speaks to a dearth of understanding so vast that I cannot begin to address it here. However:
The discrepancy Jon Stewart is trying to point out is: When liberals engage in any form of protest against the government, it is a treasonous and despicable act, whereas when conservatives engage in the same acts, no matter how deranged, they are patriots. Mr. O'Reilly's point about the so-called "loons" being "arrested" protestors is weak, at best.
Fox News consistently attempts to portray any and all anger at the current administration as righteous, no matter how unhinged the form that support may take.
The main issue here is one of reason. Obama is not a savior, but he is not a devil, and thus far in his administration, has done far less than Bush 43 to damage the rule of law or besmirch the reputation of the U.S. abroad.
The fact that conservatives and Republicans sat back and watched our nation be waltzed into a war which has cost billions of dollars, while simultaneously losing their minds at the prospect of the government extending health care to the millions of citizens who die each year for lack of medical care (upwards of 15,000 a year), is staggering, and a grosser example of hypocrisy than any which you seek to point out.
anyway, I would like to see more takedowns of Fox. I would also like to see more takedowns of MSNBC or CNN or any other news show that verges away from real news. TDS is a comedy show. on comedy central. big difference. While I think Fox is the worst offender when it comes to manipulating content, MSNBC really isn't that far behind and if this is really a media news, gossip, etc site, the other stations should be given the same treatment regardless of how one feels about the content personally.
@thisisnotradio: I'm afraid you missed my point friend. My point was not that Fox News was not biased, because they most definitely are. The constant attacks on O'Reilly though are unwarranted to say the least.
I would estimate only about 20% (thats being generous) of the consistent readers of Cajun Boy's misrepresented articles watch the O'Reilly Factor consistently. Personally I watch maybe twice a week if I have time, and I watch the full show. Now many of you would be quite impressed with O'Reilly if you actually did this.
For example: It was only a few nights ago that O'Reilly found himself "filling in" for Alan Colmes. Now for those of you who don't recognize that name, he is a liberal radio host who used to co-host a show with Sean Hannity. O'Reilly has Colmes on his program every week, once a week, along with a conservative pH.D, to grade Obama on the week and sum up his Presidency thus far. Colmes was out this week (or last week, I forget) and so O'Reilly (being fair and balanced) filled in for Colmes, defending Obama every step of the way.
Now again, I have no problem with people who have a problem with the biased Fox News. I have a problem with people who justify their anger with sound clips pulled out of context by an irrelevant comedy program and pass it on as legit.
@Dickens_Ghost: It depends on what your definition of stupid is. If it is someone who doesn't attack people based on ideology and instead tries to be objective when such attacks are made...then yes, I am stupid.
Apparently, by that definition, that also makes you a genius. So congrats!
Oh my. A guy on the network that airs Glenn Beck is questioning whether Jon Stewart is doing an honest job - and accusing him of deceiving people about the direction this country is headed? Too much. Just... too much.
You know, just because TDS is going on a 3-week breather doesn't mean Jon is going to some far-off Caribbean island ... he might come up from the Jersey shore for a one-off appearance.
I just hope when he does, they give him the full show instead of just a segment.
When you have nothing of substance to say, just tear down the critic and slap him with tired, tired old labels.
Of course, Bill, if Stewart is so irrelevant, why are you reacting? Oh yeah, because somewhere in your black and dead soul, you know you were taken DOWN.
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Well, as nutty as I think O'Reilly is - I think there is something to think about in here. Jon Stewart says over and over again: "I'm a comedian, I'm a comedian," so in a sense, why SHOULD I take him any more seriously than a masturbating monkey? And he does skew things to fit his (or rather "a") liberal agenda. Which is fine - I certainly agree with the spirit of that, if not the actual content of the arguments made on the show, which I often find lazy and annoying because it seems like they exist solely to get people to applaud and go "woooooooh!!!!" I just wish he'd walk the walk a little bit more (and more openly, without the safety of being a satirist) - he has on occasion - like he did on Crossfire a few years ago and also during the Jim Cramer roasting. But who knows? If he did that, maybe then he'd risk becoming easy-to-write-off wacko political celebrity fodder like Sean Penn, Susan Sarandon, and others.
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In the olden days, people read the newspaper op-ed pages. Now they tune in to Stewart. I do think he has a liberal bias, but I'm willing to take that over the GOD GOD GOD stuff I hear all the time over on Fox (and Beck saying they're going "to come for the Jews first" chilled my soul.)
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@FormerEnglishMajor: I love liberal bias and I also don't want to hear GOD GOD GOD either. I think what I'm responding to is that I feel like Jon often skates dangerously close to strawmanship, which is what Bill O'Reilly and other Fox News folks do and I think Jon is smarter than that.
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Apparently, both Stewart and O'Reilly get an equal number of moderates with 24%.
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1) I ran a search and was very surprised that Stewart hasn't already been on O'Reilly. I knew that Colbert had done it and I thought maybe Jon had done one around the same time, but it looks like he hasn't done one yet. I don't know why he wouldn't, but we might have to wait until Jon is promoting another book.
2) O'Reilly has already done TDS and he didn't get his "ass handed to him". If you watch the uncut clip [www.thedailyshow.com] the first segment is a couple of old-school entertainers laying-out the parameters of their characters and the second set is like two guys discussing politics over drinks.
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(Obviously, I watch TDS more than I watch "Factor")
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His appearance on Crossfire was hilarious. He was so frustrated with those douchey hosts.
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Ok let's take an objective look at this statement for a moment. I enjoyed Jon Stewart's video you posted last night as much as the next guy (because taking people out of context not only boosts ratings, but it also is hilarious... which is undeniable); but for you, Cajun Boy, to make the above statement (which is loaded with blatant sarcasm) about this O'Reilly clip and praise Stewart's clip last night is COMPLETELY hypocritical and biased.
Now... I know it is not in your agenda to display any form of journalistic integrity (after all, what you do for Gawker is far from journalism... lets hope liberal smear tanks have a job for you when you have worn out your welcome here), but the least you could do is put things into perspective and display just a teeny bit of objectivity.
Those of you who fail to see the hypocrisy here baffle me. This is just another example of partisan smear campaigns. Fox News is running a smear campaign against Democrats, and Gawker (well more specifically Cajun Boy - Great Army!) is running a smear campaign against Fox News. I guess the old saying never got through to this crowd. "You shouldn't fight fire with fire."
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The discrepancy Jon Stewart is trying to point out is: When liberals engage in any form of protest against the government, it is a treasonous and despicable act, whereas when conservatives engage in the same acts, no matter how deranged, they are patriots. Mr. O'Reilly's point about the so-called "loons" being "arrested" protestors is weak, at best.
Fox News consistently attempts to portray any and all anger at the current administration as righteous, no matter how unhinged the form that support may take.
The main issue here is one of reason. Obama is not a savior, but he is not a devil, and thus far in his administration, has done far less than Bush 43 to damage the rule of law or besmirch the reputation of the U.S. abroad.
The fact that conservatives and Republicans sat back and watched our nation be waltzed into a war which has cost billions of dollars, while simultaneously losing their minds at the prospect of the government extending health care to the millions of citizens who die each year for lack of medical care (upwards of 15,000 a year), is staggering, and a grosser example of hypocrisy than any which you seek to point out.
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anyway, I would like to see more takedowns of Fox. I would also like to see more takedowns of MSNBC or CNN or any other news show that verges away from real news. TDS is a comedy show. on comedy central. big difference. While I think Fox is the worst offender when it comes to manipulating content, MSNBC really isn't that far behind and if this is really a media news, gossip, etc site, the other stations should be given the same treatment regardless of how one feels about the content personally.
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I would estimate only about 20% (thats being generous) of the consistent readers of Cajun Boy's misrepresented articles watch the O'Reilly Factor consistently. Personally I watch maybe twice a week if I have time, and I watch the full show. Now many of you would be quite impressed with O'Reilly if you actually did this.
For example: It was only a few nights ago that O'Reilly found himself "filling in" for Alan Colmes. Now for those of you who don't recognize that name, he is a liberal radio host who used to co-host a show with Sean Hannity. O'Reilly has Colmes on his program every week, once a week, along with a conservative pH.D, to grade Obama on the week and sum up his Presidency thus far. Colmes was out this week (or last week, I forget) and so O'Reilly (being fair and balanced) filled in for Colmes, defending Obama every step of the way.
Now again, I have no problem with people who have a problem with the biased Fox News. I have a problem with people who justify their anger with sound clips pulled out of context by an irrelevant comedy program and pass it on as legit.
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Apparently, by that definition, that also makes you a genius. So congrats!
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I just hope when he does, they give him the full show instead of just a segment.
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Of course, Bill, if Stewart is so irrelevant, why are you reacting? Oh yeah, because somewhere in your black and dead soul, you know you were taken DOWN.