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    Image of Helio Helio
    04:49 PM

    In reply to I Have a Dream That One Day Blacks And Whites Will Die Together in Poverty
    first: I'm very good friends with one of the guys quoted in the Black Dudes Still Can't Get A Job No Matter What They Do story. Hopefully, if someone googles him before an interview (do people do this?) it will guilt someone into hiring him! I am googleable by a quote I gave to the Times, but it's a really stupid one about Barack Obama.

    Second: every time I glance in the direction of my diploma, then glance at the stack of loan bills which just replaced the "$0.00 due," with real numbers I get angry at myself for having a really foreign name/not becoming an engineer. Curse you, prestigious university for not living up to your end of the deal!
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    03:53 PM

    In reply to I Have a Dream That One Day Blacks And Whites Will Die Together in Poverty
    This is true. My husband is a white white white man who looks like Senior Middle Management from Central Casting, Circa 1963, and the way he is treated just walking into a room, the respect he is accorded just for looking like that, bugs the living crap out of me. He is smart and worked hard and has lots of degrees, but he is granted authority based on appearance that people who don't look like that won't have for at least another 50 years -- just for showing up.
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    04:18 PM

    @If_I_Had_a_Poodle: This reminds me of the Jon Hamm episode of 30 Rock.
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    08:06 PM

    @Dirty_Terry: Yes
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    03:46 PM

    In reply to I Have a Dream That One Day Blacks And Whites Will Die Together in Poverty
    "Experts say your best strategy is not 'going to college.' Instead, it is 'Being white.'

    The experts did caution, however, that this is poor advice for those wishing to become NBA power forwards and/or gangsta rappers.
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    04:05 PM

    @AzureTexan: Nothings says fresh and topical like "gangsta rappers."

    Very Mad TV.
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    04:54 PM

    @AzureTexan: Honestly, this is what happened to me (it wasn't a strategy). I don't have a degree, but people assume I do, since I look and speak a certain way. I've certainly gone a lot farther than I should have.
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    05:15 PM

    @pollyannacowgirl: Conversely, I have a college degree but still can't figure out the "setup" function of my remote control. Go figure.
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    03:25 PM

    In reply to I Have a Dream That One Day Blacks And Whites Will Die Together in Poverty
    But what if Black people go to a college that teaches them how to be White? BYU or some such thing.
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    04:39 PM

    @Mrs. Beeton: I think they have to go to the college where whites are taught to see black people as if they were white.

    Or some such thing.
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    03:21 PM

    In reply to I Have a Dream That One Day Blacks And Whites Will Die Together in Poverty
    I, too, look forward to when food stamps will be issued with the face of Mr. Drummond because he also had a crackhead daughter who lost her baby to the state, did some porn and held up a dry cleaners cause of course that's where the big money is (ask Mr. Jefferson) and he would have probably been in foreclosure and on gubment Medicare after Maddoff took his money if NBC shows were real-life... just to remind both Blacks & Whites how everything just evens out while you're waiting for your styrofoam plate of steamed crablegs with broccoli bought with a book of WhatchooTalkinBouts. (Food stamps still come in books of bills, right? Man I'm old school.)
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    03:39 PM

    @The Real JR:
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    04:52 PM

    @The Real JR: But Real, what of Florence!!? And what does Dana Plato have to do with this, she was on another show, right?
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    11/30/09

    In reply to The Disconcerting Reality of Food Stamp America
    The original purpose behind establishing a food stamp program, not incidentally administered by the USDA, was to provide another indirect agricultural subsidy.
    The details historically came under various provisions of the Farm Bill of the moment. Not so much to do with welfare.
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    11/30/09

    In reply to The Disconcerting Reality of Food Stamp America
    When I was twenty and working full-time as a copyrunner/perpetual intern to pay for tuition and rent, I found out I could qualify for food stamps.

    So I went down to the office and applied. The look on the woman's face was bad enough, until she said, "Honey, you're white. White girls in college don't go on food stamps. You call your daddy and just have him take you to Albertson's once a week. You'll be fine."

    And then she turned back to her coworker to gossip.

    I left, ashamed. Didn't even try arguing with her. I ended up surviving on a two-pronged method: prodding my mom to take me to Costco, where I would buy bulk-sized boxes of Bisquick, which would keep me fed through the week, until I'd go out on a date over the weekend and chow down on the dude's dime. It was the only way I survived until I moved in with my boyfriend-now-husband.

    Which is what I think about during my monthly donation trips to the pantry. Nobody should have to be that hungry and that desperate.
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    11/29/09

    In reply to The Disconcerting Reality of Food Stamp America
    I think the blame and shame bullshit is a thing that people do to reassure themselves that they'll never be poor enough to need food stamps. If you believe everyone on food stamps is just lazy and unmotivated, then you have complete control over whether or not you become poor.
    It isn't logical and it doesn't reflect the reality of poverty in this country, but I'm sure it makes people feel better on some level. Too bad it also means they feel like they can turn their backs on their fellow human beings (while feeling superior, no less).
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    11/30/09

    @Cicada: I was watching the business channel on TV one day and I said to my moderate republican mother "some asshole just said that if they extend unemployment benefits that the unemployed will just milk it." My mother said "well, you know, a lot of people will." Later that night on the news they showed a very long unemployment line, where the people looked a lot like we do, and they mentioned that for every job opening that was available there were 7 applicants. One woman in a business suit was so heartbreakingly desperate and I saw my mother visibly gulp. It was almost as satisfying as when she lost $500,000 in the Fall of 2008, and I got to say "tell me again how I don't appreciate all the fine things Republicans are doing for me, and how much I'm going to benefit from their lowering of the "death tax" rate. Shit, at this rate there will be nothing to inherit, so paying "death taxes" will be the least of my problems. I asked her at one point "so, was getting your taxes lowered 4% really worth all this suffering?" She said "no" and slunk off angrily.
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    11/30/09

    @Cicada: Excellent point, and I agree. The reality that there are people this genuinely destitute in the good 'ole U.S. of A is not something most people want to think about. They certainly don't want to think "there by the grace of god go I." So they instead mock and blame.

    And the idea that it's some kind of family planning issue...even assuming that is true, the idea that some child should have to starve or otherwise suffer because of his/her parent's own stupidity is ridiculous. No doubt many of the people chiding the parents in that situation are also staunchly pro-life.
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    11/29/09

    In reply to The Disconcerting Reality of Food Stamp America
    There's something really reassuring to read through these comments and see that the same people that gab about Lady Gaga's alleged penis can discuss social ills in an even more intelligent and engrossing manner. This is why I like this place.
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    Image of Foster Kamer Foster Kamer
    11/30/09

    @D2theMatthews: Here here.
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    Image of Lysergic Asset Lysergic Asset
    11/30/09

    @D2theMatthews: Oh, you just nailed it. This happens all the time around here. It's awe-inspiring.
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    11/29/09

    In reply to The Disconcerting Reality of Food Stamp America
    I'll tell you what killed me about reading this saddening article this morning on paper.

    That's the shame the people who spoke to the reporter felt. Some of these parents were only desperate to feed their kids. While both parents were working. And they felt ashamed at this assistance.

    The fact is : the working class has been utterly destroyed, decimated, brought to its knees by thirty years of Reaganism, Republican ideology in the US. And the culture makes the victims feel shame for it. As if it's their own fault.

    The tens of millions of working-class people who've lost their jobs due to outsourcing, factory closings, pay cuts, concessions and disappearing blue-collar work are told it's their own fault. If only you went to the right school, did the right thing, pulled yourself up by your bootstraps. Tens of millions of workers all thinking it's their own personal failure that they lost their good job when the factory closed.

    This is unbelievably cruel. In America, everyone thinks they're middle class. It's impolite to speak of it. But I am appalled and disgusted that our national media scarcely sees fit to look closely at the destruction- the working class, the backbone of American prosperity and industriousness, has been wiped out. Is starved. Is left to blame themselves that they aren't CEO's or highly paid television commentators.

    Instead, let's criticize how Obama gave his polite bow to the Emperor of Japan, whether he should have , and next up we'll have a right wing retard make the reasonable case that Obama should have punched the guy out in revengefor Pearl Harbor, by some inordinately respected right-wing warmonger.

    In the meantime, the Republican party's long war on the good people of America continues. We have no money for health care but we'll spend ten times that on foreign wars. Sign your son up! We've eradicated your jobs and lives, it's cheaper to enslave overseas. But stop your whining. Not our fault you didn't go to Harvard. Your kids are hungry? Here's your foodstamps, loser. Til we get rid of that too.
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    Image of BookishLookish BookishLookish
    11/29/09

    @Baroness: Thank you, 'Ness.
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    11/29/09

    @Baroness: I could never say this better.

    Call what I ask next some form of stupid optimism: how do we de-Reaganize the country?
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    11/29/09

    @BookishLookish: One does go on when the wine is flowing, Miss Lookish. And Foster's a tolerant host, the weekends are for Op-Eds I'd never dare during the week. Much love to you, dashing lady. Elsewhere tonight you introduced "tug shop" into my tiny brain, and I must go hit my diary with that, as well as the bedtime injections that I'm not sure are necessary, but are court-ordered.
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    11/29/09

    @Baroness: Darling, I stole "tug shop" from our beloved Son of Spam. Enjoy your mariani wine, clink clink!
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    11/29/09

    @saralovesyou: as small as it may seem (check out bookish, below) volunteer. even if it's 4 hours every three months.

    if it's policy you're interested in - (again, as small as it may seem) send your congressmen a letter/call them/fax them. even once. (six times works too, btw) :D

    optimism is never stupid. non-action when you feel an emotional reaction to a problem is, perhaps, defeatism.
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    Image of ScottRaphael ScottRaphael
    11/29/09

    @Baroness: The country is in a blind madness. The people at the very top, who have pretty much all the money, could easily help heal things by taking the marginal profit cuts that would come from bringing outsourced jobs back to America - they wouldn't even need to raise prices at all, just stop passing the rolled up bundles of money between each other like a basketball, and start spreading it around to their loyal employees. Somehow this idea gets portrayed as anti-American, but I don't know how. I think being rewarded for being a hard, loyal worker is the ultimate expression of the American ideal and this Regan-esque idea of the guys at the top profiting off the work of their employees, giving them but the bare minimum in return is the opposite of that ideal.

    The trickle-down economy is the biggest scam in American history. It's completely nuts that people even bought into it. Considering that wealthy people tend to SAVE far more money, percentage wise, than they spend compared to the middle and lower class (who need to spend that larger percentage of money on food and shelter), it makes no sense just from a numerical standpoint. But even further, it's not like these wealthy people are waltzing into a mom and pop shop to buy their stuff - they buy their consumer goods from huge chains just like everyone else, putting their money into the pockets of other wealthy people, with only 7-10 dollars an hour "trickling down" to the average worker. Then, all these people with their infinite wealth get policy power by either befriending politicians (lobbying) or becoming politicians (Bloomberg, Bush, et al billionaire politicians). Also, the wonders of globalization have made loyalty of American company's to American interests pretty much non-existent, so no company or executive will stick their necks out to help everyone if it even marginally affects their own bottom line, and instead uses tax-deductible charity donations to make it seem like they're helping the people, when they're just cutting back their government expenses. Oh, and let's not forget the wonders of high-priced accounting practices, which cut down the taxes paid by the wealthy and huge corporations back to a tiny percent, whereas the average joe has no access to this and has to pay a monstrous chunk of his income each year.

    Shit, that's pretty much a manifesto I just wrote - long and unfocused. I'll probably have the FBI at my house in ten minutes.
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    Baroness promoted this comment Edited by ScottRaphael at 11/29/09 10:03 PM ScottRaphael was starred ScottRaphael was unstarred
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    11/29/09

    @ScottRaphael: I'll probably have the FBI at my house in ten minutes. You mean they weren't behind you as you were typing?

    All jesting aside, and with sincere apologies to Dylan Thomas, I think it's essential that you continue to "rage, rage against the lying of the right."

    I'd like to believe, as Dr. King did, that the arc of history will eventually bend towards justice.
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    11/29/09

    @Baroness: That was truly wonderful. Great work.
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    11/29/09

    @BookishLookish: Clink! m'love. And thank you, Foster.
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    Edited by Baroness at 11/29/09 10:55 PM Baroness was starred Baroness was unstarred
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    11/29/09

    @Lysergic Asset: The rage of the unemployed college graduate above the poverty line is as impotent as Bob Dole without his ED meds, but just for you, I'll keep it up <3
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    11/29/09

    @Baroness: Simply beautiful. Unfortunately, everyword of it is true.
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    11/29/09

    @Baroness: It is exactly this. There is no shortage of shame in the food lines. We don't need to shame them more.
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    11/30/09

    @ScottRaphael: "Men can starve from a lack of self-realization as much as they can from a lack of bread." - Richard Wright

    That's definitely not something you need to work on.

    Keep shining!
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    11/30/09

    @Baroness: Every time you speak, I wish I could heart you again.
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    11/30/09

    @Baroness: +10^100. God, you are a gem.
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    Image of PaisleyPajamas PaisleyPajamas
    11/30/09

    @Baroness: Woooooot! Let the shame lie where it should--with those that have caused this awful mess, not with those who seek help as we reach rock effing bottom.
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    11/29/09

    In reply to The Disconcerting Reality of Food Stamp America
    Eisenhower was probably the last Repbulican with a heart or a pulse

    [www.informationclearinghouse.info]

    Cross of Iron Speech

    Address by President Dwight D. Eisenhower "The Chance for Peace" delivered before the American Society of Newspaper Editors, April 16,1953.

    Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed.

    This world in arms in not spending money alone.

    It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children.

    The cost of one modern heavy bomber is this: a modern brick school in more than 30 cities.

    It is two electric power plants, each serving a town of 60,000 population.

    It is two fine, fully equipped hospitals.

    It is some 50 miles of concrete highway.

    We pay for a single fighter with a half million bushels of wheat.

    We pay for a single destroyer with new homes that could have housed more than 8,000 people.

    This, I repeat, is the best way of life to be found on the road the world has been taking.

    This is not a way of life at all, in any true sense. Under the cloud of threatening war, it is humanity hanging from a cross of iron.

    ...

    If we strive but fail and the world remains armed against itself, it at least need be divided no longer in its clear knowledge of who has condemned humankind to this fate
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    11/29/09

    @If_I_Had_a_Poodle: Reading that gave me chills. Thank you so much for posting this on this thread.

    I imagine Eisenhower would be hanging out with Dennis Kucinich on the 'believes in fairies, tree gnomes, social justice and world peace' modern political scale.

    Didn't his granddaughter work for Obama's campaign?
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    11/29/09

    @Lysergic Asset: Didn't know about his grand-daughter.

    Ike would be tried for treason by Beck, Limbaugh and Palin -- the idiot three musketeers that are leading the red state, hate blinded, low IQ masses down the garden path. The smarter richer people who support that agenda are at least working in their own short term interests. The misled masses are just ignorant and hateful. Of course it won't be good for the riches when things here become like in Latin America, where it's all walled compounds and armed bodyguards because the poors have been so completely dispossessed of everything that they really don't give a shit anymore.
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    11/29/09

    @If_I_Had_a_Poodle: I live in Mexico. Yo entiendo perfectamente.

    Julie Nixon Eisenhower actually married Ike's son and supported Obama:

    [thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com]
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    11/29/09

    @Lysergic Asset: Rock on, rock on
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    11/29/09

    In reply to The Disconcerting Reality of Food Stamp America
    My synagogue contributes to two local shelters and we donate time and resources to a food bank, where I also volunteer. The shame and outright agony in the eyes of people coming in for food for their children will break your heart in two. We always have a play area for the little ones, so they are distracted from the pain in their parents' faces. Open your eyes, neocons. In the richest nation in the world, more children are still going hungry. "Food stamps is [sic] quasi money"? Fuck you, shitbag, why don't you live on crackers and water for a few days and see how you like it.
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    11/29/09

    @BookishLookish: What are you, a liberal commie Jew, giving a shit about people who have less than you? <3 <3 <3
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    11/29/09

    @BookishLookish: Okay, so now I'm crying. Again, what is wrong with this world?
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    11/29/09

    @If_I_Had_a_Poodle: I'm actually a registered Democrat, but thank you, my grandmother was a Communist. Comes the revolution, I am hoping my pretty well-dressed head will be spared.
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    11/29/09

    @BookishLookish: Amen and pass the borscht.
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    11/29/09

    @BookishLookish: If only we could make poverty less glamourous. Surely if we can put a man on the moon we can find a way to make ghetto-fabulous much less fabulous. I say we make it ghetto-mediocre-at-best. That way we can at least eliminate the wannabes and the poseurs who are just trying this whole funemployment thing out for kicks.
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    11/30/09

    @ParahSalin: Ha, good idea! But you know, I once saw a woman come in to the food bank and turn her wedding ring around. After I had been chatting with her for a while, I asked her why she did that, and she said she felt bad that she still had her ring while she needed help to feed her family. It was a paltry thing, maybe worth three hundred dollars. I told her to NEVER sell her wedding ring, that it is a loving gift from her husband and that love is part of what keeps her family together. She busted out crying.

    These rich, pontificating assholes and their policy think tanks and all their grandiose words? They have no idea at all.
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    11/30/09

    @BookishLookish: I really kind of understand rich assholes. No amount of money is ever enough for them. What puzzles me is the poor people and the middle class people who vote Republican. Do they really believe that cutting taxes on the wealthy is a) going to raise tax revenues, and b) that lowering taxes on the wealthy in lieu of health care is a smart choice? They're too dumb to realize they are ultimately going to be stuck with the bill, and then they're going to complain that Democrats raise their taxes. Republicans have created this bizarre fantasy world where nobody ever has to pay for anything. I wish it were true.
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    11/29/09

    In reply to The Disconcerting Reality of Food Stamp America
    The right's positions on just about everything are endlessly counter-intuitive. We can't teach kids about safe sex in school because we need to shame them into abstinence. If and when they do get pregnant because they weren't ashamed of sex enough and weren't educated properly (they'll say "because they were stupid"), they shouldn't be allowed to get abortions, and if they do they should be shamed by protests and fear clinic bombings. So, now that they can't get these abortions, none of these people should be able to get food stamps or welfare to help them out when they find they can't afford to pay for food for their accidental children. Then when they can't pay their debts they should lose their homes and never be able to get loans again, and we should jack their current interest rates through the roof. If they get involved in drugs after the succumb to the crippling shame and depression of all this, they should be shamed and jailed even more with no regard to drug education or recovery help.

    This fucking country.
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    11/29/09

    @ScottRaphael: While I totally disagree with the sentiment of your very last sentence, I think you summed up the right's shame-based approach to influencing behavior really well.
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    11/29/09

    @ScottRaphael: I think it may be more like "this fucking world." Take a look at Maslow's hierarchy of needs and you'll see that by keeping people tethered to the base of the triangle (struggling for subsistence), those in power - read: the wealthy - distract them from any higher aims, which obviously include banding together to rectify the profound, egregious and never-ending injustices which propel the human condition.
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    11/29/09

    @Wrapitup: The bitter aftertaste of the ooze (oo's) is still lingering in my mouth. I do still love America, it's just hard to not get a little jaded.
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    11/29/09

    @ScottRaphael: Far be it from me to accuse someone of not being patriotic enough. Jade away, bro. I just have a somewhat different POV is all.
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    11/29/09

    @Wrapitup: Why do you hate freedom?
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    11/29/09

    @ScottRaphael: And that too when we're fighting a war on turr.
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    11/29/09

    In reply to The Disconcerting Reality of Food Stamp America
    You have no idea what it's like until you've been a name on a paper mitten. Humbling doesn't begin to cover it. I wish all these recipients a better 2010.
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    11/29/09

    In reply to The Disconcerting Reality of Food Stamp America
    "..the majority of food stamp recipients reside in red states."

    Uh, make that the Old Dixie. I live in Utah and, along with Nevada and Idaho, we yield to NO ONE in our redness, but are among the lowest food stamp recipients.

    Fortunately, we have lots of roadkill.
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    11/29/09

    @atlasspanked: Yeah, but Vegas is up, what was it 80%? It's ugly here.
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    11/30/09

    @Foster Kamer: Yes, but Vegas is where Dixie vacations. And currently slot machines and craps tables do not take food stamps, although I expect that may change soon. Feel the trickle!
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