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gawkimo
03/01/09

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What's a gastropub? A pub that serves food, aka "a pub"?
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Mediahohoho
03/01/09

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I would be more comforted by this if financial services were the only New York-intensive industry that was biting it. But, like most of the world, there seems to be little acknowledgment that media, both new and especially old, and its twin idiot brother, advertising, are also sucking wind. I'd be interested in know what the cumulative percentage of unemployment is when you combine those fields with finance, then throw in fashion.
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ObtuseIntolerant
02/28/09

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I'm a former Manhattanite/Brooklynite and while I will always love those places, I'll happily keeping fighting the good fight in little Wilmington, Delaware...our hipsters are few and far between but at least our creative class has the benefit of a blank slate and having to play nice with others. Not all of these others are "smart" or "like-minded"...but since when did a community of such false diversity inspire anything but mediocrity? No thanks.
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DoctorNine
02/28/09

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So... Psychiatrist slumlords in Manhattan are going to save NY by doing something to gastropubs, but I'm not sure what exactly. Sounds like another riveting example of omphaloskepsis in Gotham. Wake me up when the plot becomes less gratuitously self-involved.
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frankwolftown
02/28/09

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New York may win but there going to have a hell of a time filling Times Square back up.

[tech.yahoo.com]

So comes the news from the (itself endangered) San Francisco Chronicle: Both the Virgin Megastore in San Francisco and the massive Union Square location in New York City will close in April. (The Times Square store is also slated to shut down in April; that news was announced last month.) Expect liquidation sales to begin next month.
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nycaviation
02/28/09

@frankwolftown: Time to get excited about the prospect of Walmart Times Square.

With the glut of empty big box stores in Manhattan-two Virgin Megastores, three Circuit Citys, two CompUSA's-and a dearth of retailers with any interest in such spaces, it is only a matter of time until the property owners saddled with those millions of empty square feet begin to pressure the city council to ease off the anti-Walmart rhetoric that has so far kept them subjugated to the suburbs.
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VoxPopuli
02/28/09

@nycaviation: That's a really good point. Let's hope Target beats them to it. Target is at least better than Wal-Mart and we don't have one in Manhattan yet.
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tunamelt
02/28/09

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That article about Eagle Rock is completely annoying. It basically encapsulates the worst part of gentrification which is that a neighborhood doesn't matter until white yuppies move in and bring in things like Whole Foods.
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tunamelt
02/28/09

@tunamelt: And the follow through, that a neighborhood doesn't matter when white yuppies stop paying attention.

And no matter what anyone says, hipsters are basically just yuppies with attitude and a general lack of cleanliness.
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jrhys
02/28/09

@tunamelt: Tell me about it. I hate how the fucking hipsters have ruined my formerly friendly hood with their nasty attitudes.
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belltolls
02/28/09

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People in Eagle Rock are not however as annoying as people in Mt. Washington. And no; these are not suburbs in any sense of the word.
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tunamelt
02/28/09

@belltolls: Mt. Washington is Eagle Rock but slightly more expensive. Have you seen those LA Times neighborhood maps?

The comments are great, if you enjoy watching people battle it out over real estate labels.
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belltolls
02/28/09

@tunamelt: Actually the LAT Neighborhood mapping is a kinda cool project. Truth: all my Los Feliz friends thought I lived in a way cooler place when I was in LA. Glendale.
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tunamelt
02/28/09

@belltolls: I love the project, I'm not going to lie.

I just wonder at the insane crazy class/race battle of naming neighborhoods that goes on in the comments. It's like Curbed on crack.
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belltolls
03/01/09

@tunamelt: Heh, heh. Just like real life.
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Strehle
03/01/09

@belltolls: It's pretty great how the arguments get down to the level of corners and sides of streets.
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belltolls
03/01/09

@Strehle: Or as Richard Ford wrote in a short story: "makes us no more or less than animals who meet on the road -- watchful, unforgiving, without patience or desire."

I actually don't find that line as much of a downer as it looks sitting there on the page.
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MincnglyWhrdL'mer
02/28/09

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this is crazy. I was JUST in eagle rock, because I was scouting neighborhoods in LA. yeah - hipster paradise, it's not (note to the residents of eagle rock: what's UP with that bombed out dairy queen on the main drag, with all the homeless people? I felt like I was in diamond bar), but what it does have? a beautiful range of hills just on the edge of town, easy access to silverlake and pasadena (hey, don't laugh - pasedena is really lovely), and good rents just up the 2 from downtown - I'd still consider it.

eagle rock is a neighborhood tho, not a suburb - you want to talk about forclosure blighted suburbs of LA, try riverside to lake elsinore - that's foreclosure alley.
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Strehle
02/28/09

@The Boulevard of Broken Queens: Agreed on all counts (with the perspective of a Pasadena resident). And add vast swathes of San Bernardino County to foreclosure alley, though it already had plenty of blight before that.
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MincnglyWhrdL'mer
02/28/09

@Strehle: are you anywhere near the norton simon? I was kinda blown away just how NICE pasadena is - I expected it to be like, I dunno, northridge or any of those other blighted strip mauled towns near LA, but then I went to the artscenter open house and DAMN what a nice looking town !!! must be kinda hellish when the 210 is backed up, tho?

eagle rock seems nice enough tho - I mean, 400 sq ft w/ a garage for $900 on a nice residential street, 15 min. from downtown w/o traffic? quiet too.
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MincnglyWhrdL'mer
02/28/09

(btw: where else in LA is cheapish and convenient now? eagle rock, mt. washington, maybe parts of culver city? kinda liking culver city, for the arts thing. give me the insidery scoop, peeps)
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Strehle
02/28/09

@The Boulevard of Broken Queens: Ugh, on cheapish but still "really" in the LA area (and not, say, Covina) I don't know at the moment. My partner and I moved into our current home in Summer 2004, and the downward movement in prices has decided for us that we're not going anywhere soon. So our real estate porn viewing has been limited to seeing what's happening in our local neighborhoods.

We live in NE Pasadena, <10 minutes from the museum - nice area. I was just in Old Town this afternoon because it was so sunny today.
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tunamelt
02/28/09

@Strehle: Don't hate on Covina. That shit is where I grew up.

Also, I moved.

So maybe I can't talk.
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tunamelt
02/28/09

@The Boulevard of Broken Queens: It depends on what kind of thing you're looking for. I live in Koreatown and I love my apartment and my nearness to Metro Rail and all sorts of sweet stuff.

But I'm also 23 and single.
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Tart of Darkness
03/01/09

@The Boulevard of Broken Queens:

"Old Town" Pasadena was lovely before it became a mall. Now it's just like anyplace else with its Crate & Barrel and Williams Sonoma and Gap. Feh. I hate the suburbanization of city centers.
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Uncle_Billy_Slumming
02/28/09

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Hehe, someone fooled the NYT reporter into thinking Eagle Rock was a anything but Eagle Rock. It's a lovely town, but cutting edge hipster 'burb? Nonononono...

Mentone, though... Mentone is on fire, and has actually become the epicenter of the neo-expressionist movement. Coffee houses, salons, lofts -- it's got it all.
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aurora*raby
02/28/09

@Uncle_Billy_Slumming: Oh, good. Now I know where to go for a cut and blow-dry and an ugly painting.
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jrhys
02/28/09

@aurora*raby: And twee housewares.
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CumaeanSibyl
02/28/09

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Florida? Oh, you mean the genius who figured out that the Midwest is fucked? Yeah, he's a real prophet for our times.
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aurora*raby
02/28/09

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I'm not worried. After all, how low can the Bronx go?
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SarahHeartburn
02/28/09

@aurora*raby: Were you an adult in the 70's? It ain't half bad now.
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aurora*raby
02/28/09

@SarahHeartburn: I arrived a when Mayor Koch was covering the windows of burned-out buildings with decals, so that the neighborhoods wouldn't look gloomy from the expressways.
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cdmunch
02/28/09

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Yeah, but what New York City will win the depression? UES old money wasps or their Tribeca-dwelling trust fund offspring ? Todt Hill mobsters or Long Island racketeers? The gays of Chelsea or the gays of Park Slope? The prudes of Williamsburg or the sluts of the Meatpacking? Coke addicts or the drunks? Let me know so I can decide to open my cupcake shoppe.
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jrhys
02/28/09

@cdmunch: Slutty gay racketeers FTW.
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bess marvin, girl detective
02/28/09

@cdmunch: your comment reminded me why i LOVE and MISS new york. mmmm
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Understater
02/28/09

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Er...since when was Amsterdam part of the global trifecta of "financial centers"? I'm not economist, but doesn't it rank well below Hong Kong, Tokyo, and even Toronto?
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Baroness
02/28/09

@Understater: See: "since the 17th century" part. Not simultaneous centers, Ryan means the succession of the top financial cities as dominant over the past 300 years.
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VoxPopuli
02/28/09

@Understater: Clogs, tulips and windmills are a much better investment than stocks these days.
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