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Novaload
07/23/09

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I saw a post with a school certificate from Indonesia, showing that his mother's second husband actually adopted him, making him Indonesian, since only Indonesians were allowed to go to the schools in question.
I know it's easy to make fun of this point of view, but they attract people because they do present what appear to be documents, and arguments etc.--hopefully the pending court case will settle the issue and make it much harder for them to get a foothold.
They allege both parents had to be US citizens for her child to qualify as a US citizen, for example--in any case, these are factual type assertions that anyone familiar with the law should be able to refute. Just calling them "crazy" doesn't really make it go away.
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PandoraSpocks
07/23/09

@Novaload Misses Murilee: "Andrew Jackson (1829-1837) is the only president born of two immigrants, both Irish. Presidents with one immigrant parent are Thomas Jefferson (1801-1809), whose mother was born in England, James Buchanan (1857-1861) and Chester Arthur (1881-1885), both of whom had Irish fathers, and Woodrow Wilson (1913-1921) and Herbert Hoover (1929-1933), whose mothers were born respectively in England and Canada."

In other words, both parents do NOT have to be US born citizens.
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dirtybee
07/23/09

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If any of these assholes approach me, I'm going to burst into song:
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Tremonius
07/23/09

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There is a gods-given gift to loons everywhere in that they lack by definition the faculties to let them in on how loony they are. Same with stoopids. You can only see at your own level. The Repugnant party is built on this leveling loop.

That said, there is a difference between spouting and believing. I know some rabid paranormals who claim to be in on the secret ancient Indian divine light chakra chinese medicine healing accupuncture aura martinizing who jump to ER every time they have symptoms the least troubling.
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BlinkyMcChuck
07/23/09

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The birther movement is what is left of the freaks who were depending on white privilege, in the aftermath of a black president being legitimately elected to office.
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BlinkyMcChuck
07/23/09

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Yeah. In other words, the Right can't win at the ballot box, so they are getting people to reach for the bullet box.
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a_pink_poodle
07/23/09

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Hawaii wasn't a real American state at the time! Where's Hawaii's State Certificate?!
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Tremonius
07/23/09

@a_pink_poodle:Neither was Panama when their own boy Magoo was born there, or claimed to have been, and way back before it was even a ditch!
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DorothyBarker
07/22/09

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Where do the 'birther' crazies get this alternate history--that they claim is true just because...they...um...want. it. to. be...say what? How is it that Obama can produce documentation that he was born in Hawaii, but they don't have to produce...anything. He was born in Kenya? How do they figure that? Obama and his mother never lived in Kenya. Obama's mom met and married his Dad IN HAWAII. So just because Obama's father was Kenyan Barack MUST have been born in Kenya, but because his mother was American...uh... he must have been born in Kenya?? It's beyond absurd. And sad. And ultimately, just racist. Which is both.
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PriceComfy
07/22/09

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I demand to see George Washington's birth certificate. He wasn't an American. There was no America when he was born. How's that for the facts. I read'em as I see'em!
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olafhumbert
07/22/09

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The problem is not that Obama is the son of a foreign-born parent. The problem, apparently, is that he's the son of a foreign-born parent who's BLACK, and that he was born in a brown-skin-infested tropical island that has the temerity to call itself a state.

Below is a little list of previous presidents with one or more furren parent. (And John McCain was born in the Panama Canal zone!) And yet no qualms about any of THOSE white guys.

(from voa.gov):
Andrew Jackson (1829-1837) is the only president born of two immigrants, both Irish. Presidents with one immigrant parent are Thomas Jefferson (1801-1809), whose mother was born in England, James Buchanan (1857-1861) and Chester Arthur (1881-1885), both of whom had Irish fathers, and Woodrow Wilson (1913-1921) and Herbert Hoover (1929-1933), whose mothers were born respectively in England and Canada.

... If Barry's parents hailed from England and Canada, this would be a NON-ISSUE.
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allyzay
07/22/09

@olafhumbert: Well, if they had hailed from England or Canada and had both been white...
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ChickyOnly
07/22/09

@olafhumbert: Yeah, this is the first I'd heard of birthers arguing that one foreign-born parent makes you ineligible for the presidency. As you point out, that view is both bizarre and xenophobic (if not flat-out racist). Whether or not you're "natural-born" is passed on through the blood of your parents? What the hell?
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mwwhitesf
07/22/09

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Wait, I thought he was born in Panama! Oh, right, that was the other guy.
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meechybee
07/22/09

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At least they have his parents' name on it. I had to get a new one this year from the state of NJ because both my original (1968) and replacement (1985), did NOT have my parents' names on the certificate. So my most official document was pretty useless for most of my life.
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MissNormaDesmond
07/22/09

@meechybee: And you expect us to believe this, right? Just admit you're an Indonesian Muslim right now and save us all a lot of time, trouble, and carpal tunnel syndrome.
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Tremonius
07/23/09

@MissNormaDesmond: I have seen plenty of BCs with only the mother's name included. Sometimes she declines to state. Other times she may not know. Still, the authorities allow the birth to go forward.
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The Marble Faun
07/22/09

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Ahh, this takes me back to the simple days of Branch Davidians and a 'lil town called Waco.
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Tremonius
07/23/09

@The Marble Faun: And now, a kind word for a wingnut. Or, at least, one who sat behind Affirmative Action Pioneer Uncle Thomas during his Extreme Court confirmation. The militia loons figured then they had their guy in the chair for the ultimate most-high final investigation of the Waco conspiracy theories. Go, John C!

He shot them all down decisively and definitely. That's why you don't hear much about Waco from wackos no more.

http://www.rickross.com/reference/waco/waco281.html
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Mediahohoho
07/22/09

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My son has a "Certificate of Birth" from the City of New York, but I will discourage him from seeking any kind of higher office seeing as how this is the ridiculous bullshit voters choose to focus on.
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allyzay
07/22/09

@Mediahohoho: Too bad your son is a terrorist muslin :\
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ChickyOnly
07/22/09

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All I have is a (New York) Certification of Live Birth, just like Obama's. It was good enough to get me a passport, but now I'm launching an investigation of my own. I'm starting to think I may have been born in Kenya and later attended an Islamic madrassa. Crap.
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wiltshire
07/22/09

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Birthers, don't take any guff from these Hawaiian/Indo-Kenyans. John McCain's our Real® president, from the Real America, born in the Great State of... Panama.
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