Is it just a fluke that all 4 are Jewish, or is that just indicative of the financial sector (like how most engineers are Asian, most farm laborers Mexican, etc)?
@ADismalScience: Every Krugman post should include a reminder that he was paid $50,000 by Enron in 1999 to sit on a do-nothing board and (allegedly) write glowing articles about the magic of their business model for Fortune and others.
His columns make it clear he's one of those guys that thinks he can convince readers by manipulating the numbers - because he believes he's so smart that no one can call him on it.
So, yeah, I've been on the Krugman backlash for a few years already!
@The Tipping Pint: my impression is that he's been predicting a new depression for 15 years - which would be ok except that the predicted cause keeps changing - it's our unwillingness to lower interest rates! it's stagflation! etc.
Just my opinion, he's smart enough to let his tendencies - liberal and doomsday - lead his analysis, and still have his analysis be credible.
@caligulash: You are wrong in interpreting my comments. Bernie deserves a small cell for a long time. I'd never heard of him before this scandal broke.
Rubin has built his own jail. C'mon Rubin, you had the uber career - chairman, Goldman Sachs, Secretary, U.S. Treasury. Then you blow your entire reputation to get an extra $100m? For what?
Men at these levels think about their standing in history. Rubin just became 5' 0".
Well, in fairness, he does have to deal with a daily firestorm of criticism from people that lack even a basic understanding of his company, industry, and self. Having dealt with that on a teeny, tiny, miniscule level as an internet commenter I can totally get why he'd rather be sailing. Given that he has the cash to go do exactly that, I say godspeed.
@ADismalScience: I wonder, Dis, if you're starting to detect anything fishy in the rote recitation of "securitized mortgages destroyed our balance sheet" by corporate machers.
If anything, the securitization of loans effectively diffused mortgage-default risks throughout the economy, didn't it -- even to overseas markets in many cases.
While I realize that even widely-spread risks can have catastrophic effects when the rate of defaults reaches historic levels...I just can't account for all the current trouble in the economy using just this one (rather specialized) market. I'm waiting for some enterprising financial journalist to do an analysis that shows MBS can explain maybe a fourth or a fifth of all the losses that were sustained in 4Q08, and that other types of financial mismanagement are just as rampant but have been obscured by the mortgage-default boogeyman.
While there are losses in other areas, look at your typical investment bank by graphic profitable by business unit. Picture green bars for each profitable division, and red bars for the areas taking losses. In most of them, with a decent advisory/wealth management business? You'd wind up with a bunch of green bars (albeit shrinking 3Q-4Q) dwarfed by the Marianas Trench of the investment banking division. If you looked at divisional profitability in your Citi's, your BofA's etc. as agnostic datapoints in an array you'd discard whichever poor desks were tied to CDO/CDS/MBS performances.
The idea that banking is mostly profitable except for concentrated, horrible risk taking in one asset class is why TARP is justifiable - we'll be fine once we can write off 2002-2007's mortgage securities.
@ADismalScience: I gather you're disagreeing with me and saying that yes, in fact MBS losses can account for most of the current trouble. Because they became so prominent in so many portfolios so quickly after their invention, I guess.
Thus my skepticism retreats a click or two. Still, I think the original model of securitization was that no one was supposed to take a position in the securities large enough to capsize their whole portfolio. Least of all the i-banks, who should have shuffled all that paper right out the door as soon as it was created.
Michael Lewis' recent article, though, suggests that i-banks got so greedy that they started synthesizing the securities when there weren't enough actual mortgages to meet market demand. From there I guess it might have been a small additional step to damning the torpedoes and holding some of the toxic tranches in-house, for the sake of making commissions on sales of the rest. Which is a point for your side, I suppose.
@ADismalScience: A lot of those people who don't understand him, his company or his industry are what they call "shareholders." And he does (or did) have an obligation to make the company's choices make some sense to them. Having sat through a number of earnings calls on the company side and listening to questions from people who are actually supposed to be numbers people at ibanks ask some completely inane questions and continue to press when it's clear they are clearly missing something elementary in their understanding, I am sympathetic to impatience with stupid questions from people who just don't get it. However, when you're public, you're dealing with, well, John Q. Public, and when you contribute to the bringing down of the entire economy, it behooves you to figure out a way to eliminate the "you stupid idiots" tone and boil it down. There's nothing that can't be made fairly understandable, and if he's failed at doing that, it's on him. I've no doubt he is tired if he's not yet figured out a way to lose the ego and do this.
To whoever said statistics ought to be taught in j-school, that's like teaching dolphins to count on their fingers.
@no I said no I won't no: Are there any particularly damning quotes out there from Rubin -- something along the lines of, "I honestly didn't understand what was backing these securities, I just know they made us a pile of money for a while?"
That PR aspect of life is why the toughest, most knowledgeable bankers retire en-masse in the bad times. The ostentatious analysts you read about and caricature are nothing like the guys who run these banks - they lead private lives, quiet lives, until the turmoil of a down market calls them uncomfortably into the light. It's why you have a thousand Gawker stalker entries regarding the medium-wealthy bankers, socialites, and media personalities of New York City and approximately none of its billionaire architects. I knew the crisis had reached its apex when people sent in an entry about Hank Paulson, stalking him days after TARP had been announced.
It may seem hard to understand, but these people are stuffy academics and technocrats for the most part. They don't like the spotlight, and they're pretty awful performers in it. The worst part is, there's no easy way to explain most of this, and the shouting starts long before the patient complication of a banker's explanation has run its course. We're too reviled to be trusted or taken seriously - and no amount of PR can change that. Rubin is just finally recognizing his odds in lights and bowing out.
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Go here [gawker.com] and see PierreHapjo
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Here you go, Moustache. It's much better than a star.
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His columns make it clear he's one of those guys that thinks he can convince readers by manipulating the numbers - because he believes he's so smart that no one can call him on it.
So, yeah, I've been on the Krugman backlash for a few years already!
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Just my opinion, he's smart enough to let his tendencies - liberal and doomsday - lead his analysis, and still have his analysis be credible.
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There, fixed that for ya.
I've been building a dossier on this guy to show anyone who expressed dismay that he wasn't picked by Obama along with all the other Clinton retreads.
Not that those picked won't do any damage of their own.
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You are right. The Ponzi Rubin created dwarfs many times over the Madoff's. Hence, Rubin should be in a much smaller cell for much longer.
01/10/09
Rubin has built his own jail. C'mon Rubin, you had the uber career - chairman, Goldman Sachs, Secretary, U.S. Treasury. Then you blow your entire reputation to get an extra $100m? For what?
Men at these levels think about their standing in history. Rubin just became 5' 0".
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If anything, the securitization of loans effectively diffused mortgage-default risks throughout the economy, didn't it -- even to overseas markets in many cases.
While I realize that even widely-spread risks can have catastrophic effects when the rate of defaults reaches historic levels...I just can't account for all the current trouble in the economy using just this one (rather specialized) market. I'm waiting for some enterprising financial journalist to do an analysis that shows MBS can explain maybe a fourth or a fifth of all the losses that were sustained in 4Q08, and that other types of financial mismanagement are just as rampant but have been obscured by the mortgage-default boogeyman.
01/09/09
While there are losses in other areas, look at your typical investment bank by graphic profitable by business unit. Picture green bars for each profitable division, and red bars for the areas taking losses. In most of them, with a decent advisory/wealth management business? You'd wind up with a bunch of green bars (albeit shrinking 3Q-4Q) dwarfed by the Marianas Trench of the investment banking division. If you looked at divisional profitability in your Citi's, your BofA's etc. as agnostic datapoints in an array you'd discard whichever poor desks were tied to CDO/CDS/MBS performances.
The idea that banking is mostly profitable except for concentrated, horrible risk taking in one asset class is why TARP is justifiable - we'll be fine once we can write off 2002-2007's mortgage securities.
01/09/09
Thus my skepticism retreats a click or two. Still, I think the original model of securitization was that no one was supposed to take a position in the securities large enough to capsize their whole portfolio. Least of all the i-banks, who should have shuffled all that paper right out the door as soon as it was created.
Michael Lewis' recent article, though, suggests that i-banks got so greedy that they started synthesizing the securities when there weren't enough actual mortgages to meet market demand. From there I guess it might have been a small additional step to damning the torpedoes and holding some of the toxic tranches in-house, for the sake of making commissions on sales of the rest. Which is a point for your side, I suppose.
01/09/09
Well, I would have laughed.
Or chuckled, anyway.
01/10/09
I thought he did the right thing by Mexico when the peso blew up at the end of 1994.
He had my highest admiration.
It's down the tubes.
Why does someone who has accomplished everything ruin a life of accomplishment? He really did not need the extra $100m.
Maybe to stay relevant?
Sad. He's too old and it's too late to rescue his reputation. His obit will read something like. Rubin, disputed.
01/10/09
To whoever said statistics ought to be taught in j-school, that's like teaching dolphins to count on their fingers.
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That PR aspect of life is why the toughest, most knowledgeable bankers retire en-masse in the bad times. The ostentatious analysts you read about and caricature are nothing like the guys who run these banks - they lead private lives, quiet lives, until the turmoil of a down market calls them uncomfortably into the light. It's why you have a thousand Gawker stalker entries regarding the medium-wealthy bankers, socialites, and media personalities of New York City and approximately none of its billionaire architects. I knew the crisis had reached its apex when people sent in an entry about Hank Paulson, stalking him days after TARP had been announced.
It may seem hard to understand, but these people are stuffy academics and technocrats for the most part. They don't like the spotlight, and they're pretty awful performers in it. The worst part is, there's no easy way to explain most of this, and the shouting starts long before the patient complication of a banker's explanation has run its course. We're too reviled to be trusted or taken seriously - and no amount of PR can change that. Rubin is just finally recognizing his odds in lights and bowing out.
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