Let me see if I follow: So the few newspapers left with a pulse are requiring paid staffers to write blogs that few people read, the very same thing that dead newspapers' unemployed staffers are doing for free... Okayyyyy. What's wrong with this picture?
One especially sad fact about the death of the Rocky Mountain News is its place in colorful newspaper history. The old rivalry between the News and its bigger rival, the Denver Post, highlighted a period of dueling papers as detailed most famously in The Front Page, about the Chicago newspaper wars of the 1920s. Gene Fowler, famous as John Barrymore's friend and biographer ("Good Night, Sweet Prince"), in 1933 published "Timber Line," about the bad old days of unscrupulous but amusing Denver newspapermen. From it sprang the character who became "The Unsinkable Molly Brown."
It was a wholly different age. It exists now only as legend.
That is just really sad. I can't imagine what that newsroom was like when word came down. Although I bet most of them had known, deep down, for a while.
Competition is good. It keeps all parties involved on their toes. But I doubt the Post is going to worry much about competition from suburban dailies or weeklies.
Anyone else see the picture of what was ostensibly a RMN employee holding his daughter while the Scripps Co. execs tell them the company is shutting shit down?
Is it me, or is that odd timing for "Bring Your Daughter to Work Day"?
@lil red: 'Tis true, but cities that have competing papers (weeklies do not count) develop an organic sense of competition between them that makes for some albedamned good journalism. This is what is really being lost here.
The RMN was considered the "blue collar" paper in contrast to The Denver Post's "white collar" reputation, which I will take as another sign that We Poors are in for a long succession of kicks to the shins in the coming months of the recession.
@PaisleyPajamas: RMN was what I thought of as an adpaper- they did a few ap stories and a few local interest stories each day. Not much more, except sports. I suppose that could be considered a blue collar paper.
My Gram subscribed to it. When I would visit, I would read it and I always viewed it as a senior citizens easy reading, no hassle "the world feels good," where are the sales this weekend paper.
It took me all of 3 minutes to cover it from front to back, so I always felt bad about the trees sacrificed for the illusion of news.
But the Denver Post wasn't much better, just a little more newsie, not real reporting but at the least, repeating the news. On rare occasions, you might get some local investigative piece.
I think that many of the newspapers in this country are going to have to wake up to the fact that people are pretty sick of repeating and not reporting. Why would we pay to read anything you can read anywhere day after day?
okay- enough of my venting ;-)
But I do agree-competition good. But you need to compete beyond ads to get the readers to pay for anything.
@lil red: It's hard to remember what it was like to actually read a newspaper and be enthralled with what you were reading--as it was the first time you had read it and could be assured that the writer/reporter was relaying things you could only get from the newsprint smudgy pages. Now, even CNN seems to be a regurge of what I've read online already and doesn't add anything to my knowledge.
Agree with you: What was lost, was lost a loooong time ago.
@westward ho: Actually- Westword was more my speed when I lived there- I grew up there---many moons ago.
As far as their pulitzers go, they were for feature writing and photography. Good photography can be enjoyed-but I was talking about the news lacking.
Their feature pulitzer was not something hard hitting-it propped up the military's theater of good intentions.
It was titled..."Final Salute" special report, the story of a Marine major assigned to casualty notification and how he helps families with fallen relatives in Iraq cope with their loss.
I think by 2006, I was pretty tired of news agencies failing to report on the Walter Reed Army Medical Center, and similar stories. I didn't really need to feel good about how many families were being taken care of, when I was hearing different stories.
I could be a little more compassionate in the demise of jobs, and I have a relative who was hit by layoffs at RMN last year (ads), but- they are no different than many who have tried to go it on their own because they were sick of the newspapers not giving them room to investigate/report and wanted to get their teeth into their work.
Many people are out of work, many have to think about what they can't afford now. I feel bad for them as people, but I would like to see a higher standard replace mediocrity. And- I think the Post is crap too, if that makes you feel any better.
As far as your insult to my Gram, I visited from out of town and we both would read the paper in the morning.
She particularly enjoyed the comics -so we would giggle together. They are sweet memories I will always enjoy. If you read the comments on the RMN site, you will find that the comics is what several stated they will miss.
If you are concerned about the writers- here's a little good news.
@lil red: I'm gonna say, as someone who grew up with RMN, The Post and Westword that Westword was good because it existed in a very competitive journalism town. The reporting they did despite it's potential effect on tourism (serial rapists in ski towns) was head and shoulders above what the other 2 were doing--BUT they were doing it because the sense of friendly competition was there and everyone was trying to measure up.
@lil red: There is a model. The Bonham Daily Shopper was just as you described; they ran old news reports off the wires they had already used in their daily amidst myriad ads. I think it was pretty common. The advantage was, in that town, it was the major source of news and ads.
@lil red: no insult to your grandmother. i read the paper at my grandma's house, too, but i don't think that makes me qualified to shit on her hometown newspaper of choice. especially since i never lived where she did.
i am a denverite. i am a writer. this is a sad day for all of us. and reading hateful comments like yours above IS PISSING ME OFF.
thanks for your sympathy for all the hard-working people that are out of their jobs at "the crappiest paper in the world." thanks so much for that.
@PaisleyPajamas: I must've missed that section. I cannot remember ever being "enthralled" by a newspaper in plenty of years. It was written dry as dust and they had that irritating frontloading where they told you the essence in four paragraphs and then repeated the points in detail later on. This was so the guy holding onto a strap on the train could skim the major items during a ten minute ride.
@lil red: As someone who worked her ass of there for 10 years, I wish I'd known we only ran AP stories and ads. I would have taken far longer lunches. For that matter, I would have taken lunch.
@westward ho: Thank you. Sincerely. And to Lil Red: I hope I see you shortly at the unemployment office, and that you too get to know the special feeling of having your career swept under the rug and then listening to ignorant assholes trashing it.
As for career changes, been there- done that (and I didn't have the luxury of unemployment- I cashed out my savings). Had to change careers after 10 years because of the changing times of 9/11. That's life.
I am sorry you took the criticism of the quality of their journalism personally. I did apologize to those that may have, but I will not apologize for having an opinion of the paper that you disagree with. I think the sad story here is that Scripps didn't grow with the times, and clung to old tried but not necessarily true methods of business. It is a shame it cost so many so much.
@lil red: I couldn't agree more with your last two sentences. But I think I read this pretty clearly: "RMN was what I thought of as an adpaper- they did a few ap stories and a few local interest stories each day. Not much more, except sports. I suppose that could be considered a blue collar paper."
I won a four-state award for arts criticism last night. So someone liked thought we did more than ads, AP and sports. Of course, I'll have to make sure I pick it up before someone locks the door behind me and asks me turn in my building pass.
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And, good on them. On the surface, there's an elegiac tone to the whole venture, but here's hoping something good comes of it.
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It was a wholly different age. It exists now only as legend.
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Competition is good. It keeps all parties involved on their toes. But I doubt the Post is going to worry much about competition from suburban dailies or weeklies.
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Is it me, or is that odd timing for "Bring Your Daughter to Work Day"?
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The RMN was considered the "blue collar" paper in contrast to The Denver Post's "white collar" reputation, which I will take as another sign that We Poors are in for a long succession of kicks to the shins in the coming months of the recession.
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My Gram subscribed to it. When I would visit, I would read it and I always viewed it as a senior citizens easy reading, no hassle "the world feels good," where are the sales this weekend paper.
It took me all of 3 minutes to cover it from front to back, so I always felt bad about the trees sacrificed for the illusion of news.
But the Denver Post wasn't much better, just a little more newsie, not real reporting but at the least, repeating the news. On rare occasions, you might get some local investigative piece.
I think that many of the newspapers in this country are going to have to wake up to the fact that people are pretty sick of repeating and not reporting. Why would we pay to read anything you can read anywhere day after day?
okay- enough of my venting ;-)
But I do agree-competition good. But you need to compete beyond ads to get the readers to pay for anything.
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Agree with you: What was lost, was lost a loooong time ago.
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i guess all those pulitzers the rocky won were just flukes, huh?
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As far as their pulitzers go, they were for feature writing and photography. Good photography can be enjoyed-but I was talking about the news lacking.
Their feature pulitzer was not something hard hitting-it propped up the military's theater of good intentions.
It was titled..."Final Salute" special report, the story of a Marine major assigned to casualty notification and how he helps families with fallen relatives in Iraq cope with their loss.
I think by 2006, I was pretty tired of news agencies failing to report on the Walter Reed Army Medical Center, and similar stories. I didn't really need to feel good about how many families were being taken care of, when I was hearing different stories.
I could be a little more compassionate in the demise of jobs, and I have a relative who was hit by layoffs at RMN last year (ads), but- they are no different than many who have tried to go it on their own because they were sick of the newspapers not giving them room to investigate/report and wanted to get their teeth into their work.
Many people are out of work, many have to think about what they can't afford now. I feel bad for them as people, but I would like to see a higher standard replace mediocrity. And- I think the Post is crap too, if that makes you feel any better.
As far as your insult to my Gram, I visited from out of town and we both would read the paper in the morning.
She particularly enjoyed the comics -so we would giggle together. They are sweet memories I will always enjoy. If you read the comments on the RMN site, you will find that the comics is what several stated they will miss.
If you are concerned about the writers- here's a little good news.
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I don't think it exists in any form today.
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i am a denverite. i am a writer. this is a sad day for all of us. and reading hateful comments like yours above IS PISSING ME OFF.
thanks for your sympathy for all the hard-working people that are out of their jobs at "the crappiest paper in the world." thanks so much for that.
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As for career changes, been there- done that (and I didn't have the luxury of unemployment- I cashed out my savings). Had to change careers after 10 years because of the changing times of 9/11. That's life.
I am sorry you took the criticism of the quality of their journalism personally. I did apologize to those that may have, but I will not apologize for having an opinion of the paper that you disagree with. I think the sad story here is that Scripps didn't grow with the times, and clung to old tried but not necessarily true methods of business. It is a shame it cost so many so much.
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I won a four-state award for arts criticism last night. So someone liked thought we did more than ads, AP and sports. Of course, I'll have to make sure I pick it up before someone locks the door behind me and asks me turn in my building pass.