I would just go with - letting critics tell you what to like or not like is pretty pedestrian and lowbrow. Just go do your thing, if it feels good, keep it up, if not, don't bother.
Ryan, I am not understanding something. What Billy Joel song (or songs) was played in your spin class? Uptown Girl? Captain Jack? And did the Joel song help you raise your heart rate faster than a hamster's? I'm serious. Please help me understand.
I had no idea Billy Joel inspired so much vitriol in some circles. I've seen people here with the "I love him and I'm not ashamed line" I usually save for my Spice Girls CDs...is he really that loathed?
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(That's the sound of many clues flying south for the winter over my head, apparently.)
You know, I've never quite understood what the fuck people have against Billy Joel. Now, I can't claim to be remotely unbiased, since he's my favorite musician of all time. Go ahead and shit all over me for my own personal music tastes if you will, but I like--nay, LOVE--his music, and that's my own business.
That "full disclosure" out of the way, Joel has never, ever, at any point in his career, been a darling of the critics. In fact, they've pretty much torn him up throughout the entirety of his time in the industry. Don't you think the guy has earned the right to be pissed when some asshole critic "plays nice" during the interview and then rips him and his music to shreds? Or how about this for being "arrogant": Joel KNOWS he's not the most talented guy on the block. He has never, ever claimed to be. In fact, go see him in concert or read/watch an interview that isn't a total slam piece, and he'll tell you as much. Yes, the self-effacing banter might well be canned bullshit, but the point is he's not out there even remotely pretending that his music has, is, or ever will change the world. If anything, he seems pretty damn humble in televised and print interviews. If you spend your entire career hearing that you're a schlocky piece of shit, you'd probably be pissed too.
Now, the man is not without his faults. He has stolen wives of bandmates, cheated on Christie Brinkely with Elle MacPhereson, is an alcoholic, and kicked Liberty DeVito out of the band for asking for some financial help during a bad time (i.e. taken to cleaners during a divorce). So yeah, he's probably a womanizing bastard, but whatever. There are probably a LOT of other male musicians who are also womanizing bastards too. Is that enough to justify the critics response? Nope.
What pisses me off the most is that there are so many other musicians who deserve to be called out as charlatans, but it always comes back to Joel. Give me a fucking break. Miley Cyrus? Britney Spears anyone? How about we criticize "musicians" who can't sing without heavy engineering, who don't write the own stuff, and who probably couldn't play an instrument if they had a gun to their head. Even Joel's Brit counterpart Elton John deserves some flack. If you want to piss on Joel for being an asshole, isn't Elton a famous piece of work too? And what about songwriting? The man hasn't written one word of any song he's ever put out. Cool...so he's a good piano player. Whatever. Somehow he gets a free pass as a legend, when he's really only contributes half the effort to his success--and the lyrics to his songs sometimes don't even make sense!!!
So yes, I'm a fan. And yes, I take umbrage with people who suggest that liking Joel's music is some major personal character flaw (Ahem: MissLinda, et al.). It just seems to me like this has all been done before, and if critics really want to "impact" the music industry, they should try calling bullshit on about 90% of what passes as "music" these days. Do something original and that doesn't show obvious contempt that Joel can still sell out concert after concert. I guess critics aren't really as influential as they'd like to believe.
@NYGal81: Jesus Christ. No one cares. Why don't you cut it down to 100 words? I mean, nobody will still care, but at least you have a hope that someone might read your writing, unlike your mammoth online novel here.
@NYGal81: Rock on, fanatic, I am all for that...but dissing other artists to make your favorite look better is usually the first sign of a hollow argument. Just sayin'.
I've always felt that Billy Joel should be the first to swing from the rafters come Rock's Bloody Revolution...but only because Elton John is too fat to hang.
The Stranger is a decent album for its time. Anyone born after that album came out (1977) probably cannot have much relevant to say about it. It's like a Williamsburg hipster trying to explain why he dresses like Joey Abs from "Mean Streets" -- painful to listen to and embarrassing to watch.
Billy Joel's music is like the fashions of the same time period. It was really something then but now seems contrived, overwrought, and slightly embarrassing. My question is why would a music critic bother with Billy Joel in the year 2009?
Exactly. Billy Joel is ironic white loafers worn with black pegged jeans and a skinny tie. However, unlike a geometric print tunic sweater (worn twice and then sent to the Goodwill in 1989), Mr. Joel refuses to accept his place in the past and keeps clumsily attempting to regain his long-lost relevance.
There are some impassioned defenses of Billy Joel going on in the comments section here: [fimoculous.com] Disclosure: I am one of the defenders. I am not, however, one of the people in Ryan Tate's spin class.
Anyone who begins with a descending major tetrachord and proceeds to rhyme "I’ll take my chances / I forgot how nice romance is" over a feint toward the relative minor is OK in my book. Fuck off, stupid critics.
Billy Joel's music is important and necessary. It is a great barometer for determining who is a complete and utter bore and/or tool. On a blind date and not sure if you want to go for drinks after the awkward cup of coffee? Ask your date who their favorite singer is. If they say Billy Joel, it's time to go home.
@misslinda: OH MY GOD! You are so right. Met him online, we're talking, I'm not feeling ANYTHING in common, and ask his favorite music. Billy Joel and Elton John. This was probably 2002, a 30-ish guy. Are you kidding?!?!
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I'm not even sure what I'm allowed to enjoy anymore without being terribly pedestrian and low-brow.
Can someone write me a list?
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I would just go with - letting critics tell you what to like or not like is pretty pedestrian and lowbrow. Just go do your thing, if it feels good, keep it up, if not, don't bother.
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That "full disclosure" out of the way, Joel has never, ever, at any point in his career, been a darling of the critics. In fact, they've pretty much torn him up throughout the entirety of his time in the industry. Don't you think the guy has earned the right to be pissed when some asshole critic "plays nice" during the interview and then rips him and his music to shreds? Or how about this for being "arrogant": Joel KNOWS he's not the most talented guy on the block. He has never, ever claimed to be. In fact, go see him in concert or read/watch an interview that isn't a total slam piece, and he'll tell you as much. Yes, the self-effacing banter might well be canned bullshit, but the point is he's not out there even remotely pretending that his music has, is, or ever will change the world. If anything, he seems pretty damn humble in televised and print interviews. If you spend your entire career hearing that you're a schlocky piece of shit, you'd probably be pissed too.
Now, the man is not without his faults. He has stolen wives of bandmates, cheated on Christie Brinkely with Elle MacPhereson, is an alcoholic, and kicked Liberty DeVito out of the band for asking for some financial help during a bad time (i.e. taken to cleaners during a divorce). So yeah, he's probably a womanizing bastard, but whatever. There are probably a LOT of other male musicians who are also womanizing bastards too. Is that enough to justify the critics response? Nope.
What pisses me off the most is that there are so many other musicians who deserve to be called out as charlatans, but it always comes back to Joel. Give me a fucking break. Miley Cyrus? Britney Spears anyone? How about we criticize "musicians" who can't sing without heavy engineering, who don't write the own stuff, and who probably couldn't play an instrument if they had a gun to their head. Even Joel's Brit counterpart Elton John deserves some flack. If you want to piss on Joel for being an asshole, isn't Elton a famous piece of work too? And what about songwriting? The man hasn't written one word of any song he's ever put out. Cool...so he's a good piano player. Whatever. Somehow he gets a free pass as a legend, when he's really only contributes half the effort to his success--and the lyrics to his songs sometimes don't even make sense!!!
So yes, I'm a fan. And yes, I take umbrage with people who suggest that liking Joel's music is some major personal character flaw (Ahem: MissLinda, et al.). It just seems to me like this has all been done before, and if critics really want to "impact" the music industry, they should try calling bullshit on about 90% of what passes as "music" these days. Do something original and that doesn't show obvious contempt that Joel can still sell out concert after concert. I guess critics aren't really as influential as they'd like to believe.
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Exactly. Billy Joel is ironic white loafers worn with black pegged jeans and a skinny tie. However, unlike a geometric print tunic sweater (worn twice and then sent to the Goodwill in 1989), Mr. Joel refuses to accept his place in the past and keeps clumsily attempting to regain his long-lost relevance.
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