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    Image of nirreskeya nirreskeya
    11/30/09

    In reply to What Is Lachlan Murdoch Building in There?
    "I heard he was up on the roof last night signaling with a flashlight. And what's that tune he's always whistling..."
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    Image of GlasgowRose GlasgowRose
    12:15 AM

    @nirreskeya: "Papa Don't Preach"? "Daddy Wanted Rolling Stone"? "Daddy's Gone"?
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    Image of Perhaps Not Perhaps Not
    11/30/09

    In reply to What Is Lachlan Murdoch Building in There?
    "Are you boys cooking up there?"
    "No."
    "Are you making an interocetor?"
    "No!"
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    Image of DavidWatts DavidWatts
    11/30/09

    In reply to What Is Lachlan Murdoch Building in There?
    The money for Billboard is in the charts, not the publication, if I understand it correctly. Perhaps he'll quit publishing the mag and turn it into a sales-analysis company directly marketing its services to interested parties (record companies, etc). At least that's what I would do. But then, I'm sitting on my bed in cut-offs in the middle of the day, so what do I know?
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    Image of BadUncle BadUncle
    11/30/09

    In reply to What Is Lachlan Murdoch Building in There?
    The mystery of why he was dumped from running the family business is now solved.
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    Image of MissNormaDesmond MissNormaDesmond
    11/30/09

    @BadUncle: No, don't mess with my fantasy. I want to believe that he really has some genius revenge scheme in mind, and that he'll not only topple his father, but provide me with schadenfreudian delight for years to come in the process.
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    Image of Mike_Hartley Mike_Hartley
    11/24/09

    In reply to The Coming Search Engine Media Wars
    'Wait a minute, the sites aren't making enough money off of online ads, but google is getting rich off of... online ads?'

    This is a good point. I've wondered about this myself. CPMs are generally too low online, unless you are as good as Gawker Media and a few others or you are as big as Google, to support paid content creation. But it also ties in with this:

    'You still have to figure out some sort of successful advertising model to complete the picture.'

    Which will be higher CPMs for ads behind paywalls because someone has paid to see them (and the content). Which means a successful advertising model. I think it will work. I think people like ads, good ones at least, and no matter how results driven Google's adword system is, the response rate is almost as if people click on them by accident. Doesn't that make them bad ads not good ads? I liked this point:

    'IOW: If you punch "Coldwell Banker" into Google, the first thing on the screen is a paid ad and some people will click on it, rather than the first legitimate result that would take you to the same place.'

    And because lots of people will still quote and link to a story in the WSJ, it doesn't need Google.
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    Image of Aatom Aatom
    11/24/09

    In reply to The Coming Search Engine Media Wars
    "if people want to enjoy a fundamental baseline of serious news media in this country, they will have to pay for it, somehow."

    I agree with this, but feel like it misses a larger point. This isn't exactly the full picture of how it worked during the heyday of print journalism, is it? Subscriptions made up a small percentage of revenue, but the rest was comprised mainly of advertising and classifieds. There really is no successful subscription-only media model that has ever worked, as far as I know.

    You still have to figure out some sort of successful advertising model to complete the picture.
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    Image of timwindsor001 timwindsor001
    11/24/09

    In reply to The Coming Search Engine Media Wars
    Also it would be trivial (unless they were blocked) for a meta-search site to ping both Google and Bing for a search query.
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    Image of Magister Magister
    11/24/09

    @timwindsor001: As I understand the proposal, Murdoch just wants to get paid and whether a meta search circumvents Microsoft's income, it'd have no bearing on NewsCorp's bottom line.
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    Image of trlstanc trlstanc
    11/24/09

    In reply to The Coming Search Engine Media Wars
    Wait a minute, the sites aren't making enough money off of online ads, but google is getting rich off of... online ads?

    I think this just says that google is better about running ads then the media companies. Or that people would rather click an ad then click the link to your newspaper...
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    Image of Magister Magister
    11/24/09

    @trlstanc: I'd venture that Google makes a lot, if not most of its money because people don't necessarily feel a compunction against clicking an ad in a search result because it costs them nothing.

    IOW: If you punch "Coldwell Banker" into Google, the first thing on the screen is a paid ad and some people will click on it, rather than the first legitimate result that would take you to the same place.

    Also, news content is a destination, while a search engine is like the road one takes to get there. When I'm driving from Point Reyes to Stinson Beach, I might swing into Bolinas to go to the market. but I'm less likely to go back after I'm there.
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    Image of drunkexpatwriter drunkexpatwriter
    11/24/09

    In reply to The Coming Search Engine Media Wars
    But.... unless I'm missing something, while the original links won't turn up on Google, any story of any real interest will be linked to by a host of of blogs and other sites and the stories will therefore end up on google anyway.

    It just means that if I'm searching for a Wall Street Journal story I'll just have to first click on some business blog that's linked to it.
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    Image of britneyspearstears britneyspearstears
    11/24/09

    @drunkexpatwriter: Of course, Google could always choose to ignore this: [online.wsj.com]
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    Image of The Real JR The Real JR
    11/19/09

    In reply to Rupert Murdoch Is Sorry He Called David Paterson Blind and Illiterate
    It was when Paterson replied back with a simple "Your Mother" that it all became real.
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    Image of BettyCrocker BettyCrocker
    11/19/09

    In reply to Rupert Murdoch Is Sorry He Called David Paterson Blind and Illiterate
    [images.crestock.com]
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    Image of econdave econdave
    11/19/09

    In reply to Rupert Murdoch Is Sorry He Called David Paterson Blind and Illiterate
    And what happened then? Well, in New York they say, that Rupert's small heart grew three sizes that day.
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    Image of econdave econdave
    11/19/09

    @econdave: He even looks like the Grinch in that picture. If only he were green.
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    Image of Iamdoingit Iamdoingit
    11/19/09

    In reply to Rupert Murdoch Is Sorry He Called David Paterson Blind and Illiterate
    You would think that this guy would just shut up about African American political leaders. After the monkey thing someone should have just told him "there are a ton of topics you can discuss, try to avoid anything at all related to minority leaders because you WILL say something stupid and offensive. Guaranteed.
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    Image of Zira Zira
    11/19/09

    @Iamdoingit:

    Rupert Murdoch's daughter is happily married to a guy from West Africa (you can find their wedding announcement in the NYT from a few years ago) so I'm thinking he isn't prejudiced.
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    Image of Xylo Xylo
    11/19/09

    @Zira: How does the daughter's marriage have anything to do with Murdoch's racism, or lack of it? That's like saying "Dad got himself a much, much younger wife two weeks after divorcing Mom. Therefore, we are all THRILLED with her."
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    Image of Zira Zira
    11/19/09

    @Xylo:

    I see your point. But if Murdoch is in fact racist its kind of ironic his son in law is from Ghana (and that his wife is Chinese).
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    Image of Uncle_Billy_Slumming Uncle_Billy_Slumming
    11/19/09

    In reply to Rupert Murdoch Is Sorry He Called David Paterson Blind and Illiterate
    He has a lovely complexion and well-manicured eyebrows.
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    Image of Richard Petty Bourgeoisie Richard Petty Bourgeoisie
    11/19/09

    In reply to Rupert Murdoch Is Sorry He Called David Paterson Blind and Illiterate
    "Sorry, mate. Oy only meant to imply you were stupid 'cause you're Black. Honest mistake."
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