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    Salon and CNN Share an Awkward Redesign Moment

    UPDATE: Salon Lays Off Six In Pursuit of Becoming a 'True Web Publication'

    Dave Eggers Confident that America's Literature-Devouring Youth Will Save Print

    Recent J-School Grad Cries to Cary Tennis

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    10/26/09

    In reply to Salon and CNN Share an Awkward Redesign Moment
    I abhor BOTH of these hideous redesigns. Though Salon looks better than CNN.

    I wish CNN would just shift all of their video stuff to a centralized video section, or a single piece of homepage real estate that flicks through vital videos. I used to go to CNN to get quick headlines, and now it's all entertainment and lifestyle crap. And now it looks like a hideous media wall.

    In conclusion: go to the BBC news page.

    ...actually, I take it back, I actually quite like Salon. My hatred for CNN's content and over-reliance on video overwhelmed me for a moment.
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    10/26/09

    @limber: What are you talking about? As of 3:34pm central time there's no entertainment or lifestyle links in the lastest headlines. It's redesign DOES move all there video stuff into a centralized video section. And from a graphic design standpoint CNN's redesign is much more organized, stylized, and coherent than Salon's.

    You're letting your bias out on something you don't even know about. #cnn
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    10/26/09

    @ostartero: Center column, as of posting: three personal stories, UGC "photo of the day", celebrity cancer drive, Mad Men article. Right column, an ad and "popular stories" poll. The entirety of breaking news has been relegated to the narrow left column. Out of those bulleted stories, I'd say about five are quasi-news ("Mrs Edwards talks love story"?) or not worthy of breaking-news cover. I'm sticking above the fold here, prime real estate.

    There's a video section, but when I initially looked at this, the front page was larded with videos. I don't think users are as willing to toggle random videos as these designers think they are. As another poster mentioned, many people access CNN at work, where they can't/won't start a video and want the text alternative -- something CNN frequently skimps on.

    Feel free to like the redesign, but you're off base assuming I don't know about the field.
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    Edited by limber at 10/26/09 6:56 PM limber was starred limber was unstarred
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    10/26/09

    In reply to Salon and CNN Share an Awkward Redesign Moment
    Salon switched back to their old layout today (some time around noon I think) #cnn
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    10/26/09

    @Our Lady of the Massacre:
    I wish they would, I still see the new layout. Which I loathe. I can't tell what's new content, it's strewn all over, mixed with older posts . #cnn
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    10/26/09

    @Baroness: Ah- I see there's a link at top- "Go to Present Salon". Whatever that means, but yeah, there's the old layout, good. #cnn
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    10/26/09

    In reply to Salon and CNN Share an Awkward Redesign Moment
    Other than the red banner at the top, how are these site designs similar in the least? Kind of a stretch. #cnn
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    10/26/09

    @Bob Slydell: The header and the casual style of the branding's the real kicker, but the nav's extremely similar, the 3-column layout, the blocked advert in the right-most column... There's enough similarities for it to be funny.

    The content and actual functionality of the sites are certainly different, and this just looks like a case of best practices groupthink, but it does take you aback at first glance. #cnn
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    10/26/09

    In reply to Salon and CNN Share an Awkward Redesign Moment
    The new CNN is AWFUL. That "click to play" thing is the main point of visual interest on the page, totally burying the rest of the content in favor of the video. That may be a savvy decision, but if they want workday hits it's going to have to change. #cnn
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    10/26/09

    @Unsolicited Advice: I think this is becoming a trend; ESPN.com has been doing it as well. #cnn
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    08/18/09

    In reply to UPDATE: Salon Lays Off Six In Pursuit of Becoming a 'True Web Publication'
    Joy Press is pretty great. Maybe wasted as an editor. Always sad when people are downsized though for reasons that have nothing to do with performance. In any industry but esp. journalism at this point.
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    08/18/09

    In reply to UPDATE: Salon Lays Off Six In Pursuit of Becoming a 'True Web Publication'
    But still Carey Tennis survives? THERE IS NO GOD.
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    08/18/09

    @raincoaster: Don't get him started. He'll write 2000 words on how Cary still having his job proves that there is a god.
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    08/17/09

    In reply to UPDATE: Salon Lays Off Six In Pursuit of Becoming a 'True Web Publication'
    They have been developing OpenSalon in the background for awhile and featuring that site's contents on the front page every so often. Clearly by a true Web publication he means something more akin to a social web publishing site - anyone is a contributor for possible front page material, though there are paid staff members who regularly write.
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    08/18/09

    @NeroElephunkey: The Neatorama business model?
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    08/17/09

    In reply to UPDATE: Salon Lays Off Six In Pursuit of Becoming a 'True Web Publication'
    *cough*BULLSHIT*hack*
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    08/17/09

    In reply to UPDATE: Salon Lays Off Six In Pursuit of Becoming a 'True Web Publication'
    I guess they're saying they're trying to become a blog? A "a more direct publishing system" sounds like Wordpress to me.

    Moving forward...
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    08/17/09

    In reply to UPDATE: Salon Lays Off Six In Pursuit of Becoming a 'True Web Publication'
    "Let me point out that all those effected" -- this is what happens when you fire editors.
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    08/17/09

    In reply to UPDATE: Salon Lays Off Six In Pursuit of Becoming a 'True Web Publication'
    I read it. I like Glenn G, Joe Conason, Ask the Pilot and Heather Hav. Garrison Keillor even wins me over, often.

    I would like to see Camille Paglia fired permanently.
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    08/17/09

    @Banjo-Sea Kitten: I have always loved Joe C., because he is so smart and I just find his graying hair sexy. Twisted...

    Also love Joan Walsh on any MSNBC show..she brings facts and authority with a touch of serenity (?) not seen among most screaming pundits.
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    08/17/09

    @Banjo-Sea Kitten: Conason is great, Greenwald, Walsh, Havrilesky. Garrison, too. I like Salon a lot. I actually read Slate first every day, and there's always something deeply annoying, then I hit Salon to cool down.

    Camille is a fucking tragedy. I still admire her art scholarship, long in the past. Every article is, "As a registered Democrat, I think they are ALL shockingly amateurish knaves and thieves and I am against everything they stand for. Rush Limbaugh, on the other hand, understands the real America, with his jocular, soothing.. oh shut the fuck up Camille, get back to your batty belfry, okay?
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    08/17/09

    @Baroness: I even like Paglia's writing craft and her pop culture musings are rather fun and insightful. She is not trying so bloody hard to be the contrarian there.

    Calling Hillary a feminazi is nothing but reckless, sexist nastiness and the lady-boners she has for Rush and Palin and their ilk makes me angry. Rush will be Rush, but Paglia is just looking for some kind of catch-me-if-you-can niche. Fascinating. I'm on the edge of my seat, wondering what will be next from the Rodeo Clown of Words.

    STFU is correct. Please Joan, get on that.
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    08/17/09

    @Heywoodjablome: Joe C. is just straight-up old school who will throw down if you piss him off hard enough.
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    08/18/09

    @Banjo-Sea Kitten: You're right, in that Camille has a splashy style she knows will push buttons. I actually learned a lot from her punchy style, it affected how i wrote on internet forums over the last decade (not here), a style of polemic. First, grab their attention with a bold or provocative statement. Get their attention. And then, persuade. And at her best, Camille is persuasive- or, she used to be.

    See, I wouldn't be as annoyed with her as I am if I weren't so profoundly impressed and inspired by her ways of relating high art, culture and psychology so very astutely to the eruptions and manifestations of pop culture. She influenced my way of thinking about art in a lot of positive ways in the 90's. I'm disappointed at her recent Salon output because she sounds like she's grovelling to get her own right-leaning radio show, or something. She's left the classics behind. She sees nothing worthy in pop culture anymore to write about anymore. Sad for her, she must simply be getting old. And nothing wrong with that, but if you write about the recurrence of ancient themes in pop culture, how is that suddenly over?

    She's more interested in dreary talk-radio politics and her lifetime resentment of Hillary, her contemporary. It's a shame, in a way. But she's just out of it- out of the loop, talking about trivia. Our whole media consumption is packed with trivia. "Sexual Personae" still stands though, but what happened to the scholar who wrote that? She's writing mash notes to Rush. Ah, pity.
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    08/18/09

    @Banjo-Sea Kitten: Fired from a cannon.
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    08/17/09

    In reply to UPDATE: Salon Lays Off Six In Pursuit of Becoming a 'True Web Publication'
    Any chance slate.com will catch some sort of layoff ricochet and let go of Dear Prudence?
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    08/17/09

    In reply to UPDATE: Salon Lays Off Six In Pursuit of Becoming a 'True Web Publication'
    *crosses fingers*

    cary tennis, cary tennis. c'MON, cary tennis!
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    08/17/09

    @Pope John Peeps II: Ah! I hope they give him a pink slip as long an unintelligible as his columns.

    Exec: Cary, as you know the road of life has many twists and turns and there are pot holes and sometimes you need a unicorn to go through the more difficult terrain. But a unicorn unlike a Jeep Cherokee can only fit so many. Cary, the internet is the unicorn and you are a hitchhiker we had to pass on the road. But whose face will stay with us on our voyage.
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    valet_of_the_dolls promoted this comment Edited by Cheruth at 08/17/09 4:18 PM Cheruth was starred Cheruth was unstarred
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    08/17/09

    In reply to UPDATE: Salon Lays Off Six In Pursuit of Becoming a 'True Web Publication'
    Ask the Pilot is my "must read."
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    08/18/09

    @itsalwaysthequietones: One of the best things on Salon.
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    08/17/09

    In reply to UPDATE: Salon Lays Off Six In Pursuit of Becoming a 'True Web Publication'
    Do people still read Salon?
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    08/17/09

    @Cynner:
    For Heather Havrilesky. She's a national treasure.
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    08/17/09

    @Smitros: Agreed.
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    08/17/09

    @Smitros: I believe the existence of HH actually justifies television.
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