CNBC could be a distributor of dispassionate business news. Information only. Instead, its like watching Wall Street fellate journalism and worse, watching the return. Ugliness. It makes perfect sense that porn scores on that network. Everyone just screwing someone else. Life goes on. Where's my bonus? Where's my 401k?
the porn industry has regular cycles of expanding and contracting, and regular bursts of creativity, and it swells and billows and ... i have to go now
The problem is that this is were Darwinism normally kicks in. Another financial news network is supposed to come in and beat the living crap out of CNBC because we don't need a business network covering porn. We have plenty of alternate avenues for that.
However, for some reason the other networks haven't been successful. I have no idea why, unless they are being propped up by the parent network. I still can glean some good information from the money peacock, but I am getting less bang for my buck.
@ChillbearLatrigue: They hire personalities. There are those we love and always will, those we want to cut, some we wish would stop being so shrill but still admire and those, like Larry Kudlow, we believe should be fired for not seeing what was so obvious late in 2008 and has now lost all credibility forever.
Chill, I really think its the great casting (because that's all it is) and maybe its the great music played by their on-line advertisers' commercials...
In any event, I would loathe them less if they just reported business news. Instead, they actively engage in trying to manipulate perception of the economy and business environment. Larry Kudlow is the loudest worm in that shit pile. And this guy contemplates a life in politics? That is just rich.
In the interest of fairness (yeah, right), I have viewed a clip or two of Ms. Grey and my response remains: Ker-schnooze. Call me picky, but it just bores me to tears to see people cramming everything but the family sedan into any available orifice. If someone wants to pay to see it, good for them, have a jolly good time. But to call it all kinds of awesomeness is utterly ridiculous. People, it's a cum-drenched woman! Let's not pretend it's art for god's sake.
I've never been so disappointed in Gawker as I am now, looking at the kneejerkoff responses. It's as solemn and self-servingly unctuous as ... a speech at the Oscars. Rest assured, Dworkettes, ( may she truly rot in a Lovecraftian hell of sentient putrefaction ) millions of your sons and daughters knew quite well who Ms. Grey is. " You're sons and you8're duaghters are beyond you're command ... " Yeah, I abused a sixties protest song, because we still ( STILL ) have a first amendment, Jezebel, Dworkin, Nikki Finke eta l, or not.
She reminds me so much of Traci Lords. I personally don't think this girl is sane. Fucking that much since being under age doesn't give you a normal outlook on life and people but maybe I'm wrong.
When a woman is attractive and contemptuous it is read as "smart". Doubtful Ms. Grey has the coyly-hidden intelligence for which she is given so much credit. People who are immature think snide/caustic responses make them look all kinds of smart. Think: 10th grade.
Nor is she the first porn actress to attempt a mainstream crossover via "smart" films. There is also the "belittling" and soul-killing nature of doing press for movies to consider. Nothing new to see here, move along.
I call bullshit on her big brain. Also, believing you are smarter than everyone else and that you can read other people and manipulate them with your incredible insight is a symptom of mental illness. F.Y.I.
a) My comment about the uninterestingness of Sasha Grey profiles was intended to find fault in the media, not Ms. Grey, who, for the record, I find absolutely delightful. Frankly, the "OMG a pornstar who's not retarded and has aspirations to do many things in addition to porn!" angle is tiresome.
b) I find this interview incredibly disrespectful, and I do agree that questions like this would not have been directed at anyone outside of the adult industry.
c) The assumptions being made in these comments are pretty horrific--for those of you who've looked at Sasha's IMDB listings and can't find "art" there, ever heard the line about not judging a book by its cover? You might actually want to see the films before you deride her as just another damaged pornstar.
d) For once and for all: Sasha never called herself an existentialist. That line was taken out of context... as are so many things.
@Lux Alptraum: for those of you who've looked at Sasha's IMDB listings and can't find "art" there, ever heard the line about not judging a book by its cover? You might actually want to see the films before you deride her as just another damaged pornstar.
I was the one who said there's not much art in her titles, going by the imdb list ([www.imdb.com]). I never called her damaged, let alone expressed "hate," and in fact I wished her well wherever her future lies.
I HAVE sought out some of her scenes: specifically, ones she has won awards for, in Babysitters and Fuck Slaves. Sorry, I don't find them artful. Maybe you find art in Gang Bang My Face, Slam It! In a Slut, or Cum Fart Cocktails 5 -- none of which, admittedly, have I seen. But you're being disingenuous to suggest that it's impossible to judge a porn by its title, director, and box. And it's a bit hysterical to call that assumption "horrific," don't you think?
Also, it's your job to support the industry, so before you call people with critical opinions "haters," you might consider your own bias and resultant defensiveness.
I do agree with you that TAN's questions were disrespectful. I'm sure he lost her from the start with the stupid "seduced via email" line.
a. wasn't that the context i placed your comment in? you finding her delightful, and anything i've said in the interview don't have to be mutually exclusive.
b. such as which questions?
d. yeah, that's debunked in a previous interview. but isn't it a semantic nit?
you're a fan, ok, but how often do the same problems/criticism with her interviews occur before it's not "the media".
@LvV: "Also, it's your job to support the industry, so before you call people with critical opinions "haters," you might consider your own bias and resultant defensiveness."
Actually, it's not. My job is to write about things that are sexy. I can be--and have been--critical of the adult industry when I see fit.
@T.A.N.: a. Yes, but I wanted to clarify for those who might not be aware.
b. I think Sasha addressed that concern in her answers.
I actually don't usually criticize her interviews, most of them are well done, if a bit too gee whiz for my taste. And it's not a problem with "the media," it's a problem with a culture that sees being involved with the adult industry--or any sex-related field--as problematic or a sign of some illness.
@Lux Alptraum: You ought to really take a step back and think about what you're saying. Are you really saying that Sasha Grey is creating art? Do you believe every press release?
You come along with a humorless statement that contains some vaguely contrarian-for-the-sake-of-being-contrarian position and then expect us to treat it as fact because you frame your argument in terms of tolerance, coolness and sexiness. Then you get testy when others come and try to say where they think you've gone wrong.
Anyone who refers to themselves as an "existentialist" is full of shit. Sasha's ability to manipulate the media, or, more accurately, to sit back while the media manipulates itself, does require intelligence, and I respect her for recognizing the pathetic state of modern media and its intersection with commercialism and sex. That being said, the girl is a porn star, so let's leave it at that.
Everyone thinks, everyone creates, everyone fucks, and everyone suffers fear and anxiety in the face of themselves and others. There is nothing especially mysterious or riveting about Sasha Grey. Her "art" is a string of cheesy fuck flicks, and her pretensions are childish.
@FaceMelter: Yes. She's an adept manipulator of media. You're right that that doesn't take any great skill or intelligence to pull off. Also, you're correct: her pretensions to being an existentialist are merely pretentious. My contention is that her writing a book on "the philosophy of sex" (acc. to the recent Onion interview) is simply embarrassing, delusional self-promotion.
I await the book with something less than bated breath, though, because I fear that it's just going to contain the same kind of name-checking and causes célèbres that Americans always confuse with actual cultural, political and philosophical discourse. There will naturally be shocking revelations about the porn industry (but probably tame in comparison with other, earlier accounts of libertinage), some bits shown in to show that the author has been to Barnes & Noble and then some anecdotes about her sexuality as a teenager -- all nine years of them since menarche. All in all, nothing really to write home about -- but then who would be crazy enough to write home about such topics anyway.
@Borromeo: @i'm a bottle: she fucks people and cashes checks. sometimes you can masturbate to it, other times you are in the mood to masturbate to something else. either way you would rather be having actual sex. porn is diet coke, o'douls and methadone. bland, a compromise and kind of boring.
i don't care how many different kinds of fucking my favorite authors are into and i don't care how many books the girl who is reverse cowgirling on my computer screen has read. she makes a living and more power to her, but sasha grey being cogent and well-read figures into making good porn about as much as loving anal and getting punched figured into, say, joan didion writing "slouching towards bethlehem".
@raysanni: True, but let's not forget the other people awarded such a holiday like the asshole Christopher Columbus himself, he who is associated with rape, murder, robbery and syphilis.
@bess marvin, girl detective: Yeah, but back in those times, it was more acceptable. By the way, does syphilis really belong in that list of charges? I know it was deadly back then, but I'm pretty sure CC didn't want to contract it.
Obviously, her whole existence depends on the premise that being a whore is "controversial". This is why she has to keep aggressively defending herself even when no one is attacking her. It's best to avoid this person.
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However, for some reason the other networks haven't been successful. I have no idea why, unless they are being propped up by the parent network. I still can glean some good information from the money peacock, but I am getting less bang for my buck.
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Chill, I really think its the great casting (because that's all it is) and maybe its the great music played by their on-line advertisers' commercials...
In any event, I would loathe them less if they just reported business news. Instead, they actively engage in trying to manipulate perception of the economy and business environment. Larry Kudlow is the loudest worm in that shit pile. And this guy contemplates a life in politics? That is just rich.
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When a woman is attractive and contemptuous it is read as "smart". Doubtful Ms. Grey has the coyly-hidden intelligence for which she is given so much credit. People who are immature think snide/caustic responses make them look all kinds of smart. Think: 10th grade.
Nor is she the first porn actress to attempt a mainstream crossover via "smart" films. There is also the "belittling" and soul-killing nature of doing press for movies to consider. Nothing new to see here, move along.
I call bullshit on her big brain. Also, believing you are smarter than everyone else and that you can read other people and manipulate them with your incredible insight is a symptom of mental illness. F.Y.I.
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Seriously, Sasha is someone I would want to be friends with for reals, regardless of her career.
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a) My comment about the uninterestingness of Sasha Grey profiles was intended to find fault in the media, not Ms. Grey, who, for the record, I find absolutely delightful. Frankly, the "OMG a pornstar who's not retarded and has aspirations to do many things in addition to porn!" angle is tiresome.
b) I find this interview incredibly disrespectful, and I do agree that questions like this would not have been directed at anyone outside of the adult industry.
c) The assumptions being made in these comments are pretty horrific--for those of you who've looked at Sasha's IMDB listings and can't find "art" there, ever heard the line about not judging a book by its cover? You might actually want to see the films before you deride her as just another damaged pornstar.
d) For once and for all: Sasha never called herself an existentialist. That line was taken out of context... as are so many things.
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I was the one who said there's not much art in her titles, going by the imdb list ([www.imdb.com]). I never called her damaged, let alone expressed "hate," and in fact I wished her well wherever her future lies.
I HAVE sought out some of her scenes: specifically, ones she has won awards for, in Babysitters and Fuck Slaves. Sorry, I don't find them artful. Maybe you find art in Gang Bang My Face, Slam It! In a Slut, or Cum Fart Cocktails 5 -- none of which, admittedly, have I seen. But you're being disingenuous to suggest that it's impossible to judge a porn by its title, director, and box. And it's a bit hysterical to call that assumption "horrific," don't you think?
Also, it's your job to support the industry, so before you call people with critical opinions "haters," you might consider your own bias and resultant defensiveness.
I do agree with you that TAN's questions were disrespectful. I'm sure he lost her from the start with the stupid "seduced via email" line.
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a. wasn't that the context i placed your comment in? you finding her delightful, and anything i've said in the interview don't have to be mutually exclusive.
b. such as which questions?
d. yeah, that's debunked in a previous interview. but isn't it a semantic nit?
you're a fan, ok, but how often do the same problems/criticism with her interviews occur before it's not "the media".
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Actually, it's not. My job is to write about things that are sexy. I can be--and have been--critical of the adult industry when I see fit.
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b. I think Sasha addressed that concern in her answers.
I actually don't usually criticize her interviews, most of them are well done, if a bit too gee whiz for my taste. And it's not a problem with "the media," it's a problem with a culture that sees being involved with the adult industry--or any sex-related field--as problematic or a sign of some illness.
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You come along with a humorless statement that contains some vaguely contrarian-for-the-sake-of-being-contrarian position and then expect us to treat it as fact because you frame your argument in terms of tolerance, coolness and sexiness. Then you get testy when others come and try to say where they think you've gone wrong.
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Everyone thinks, everyone creates, everyone fucks, and everyone suffers fear and anxiety in the face of themselves and others. There is nothing especially mysterious or riveting about Sasha Grey. Her "art" is a string of cheesy fuck flicks, and her pretensions are childish.
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Perhaps one day Miss Grey will be all 3, perhaps she wont, i wont knock or mock her for trying.
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I await the book with something less than bated breath, though, because I fear that it's just going to contain the same kind of name-checking and causes célèbres that Americans always confuse with actual cultural, political and philosophical discourse. There will naturally be shocking revelations about the porn industry (but probably tame in comparison with other, earlier accounts of libertinage), some bits shown in to show that the author has been to Barnes & Noble and then some anecdotes about her sexuality as a teenager -- all nine years of them since menarche. All in all, nothing really to write home about -- but then who would be crazy enough to write home about such topics anyway.
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i don't care how many different kinds of fucking my favorite authors are into and i don't care how many books the girl who is reverse cowgirling on my computer screen has read. she makes a living and more power to her, but sasha grey being cogent and well-read figures into making good porn about as much as loving anal and getting punched figured into, say, joan didion writing "slouching towards bethlehem".
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