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    Image of Martiniman Martiniman
    11/13/09

    In reply to Lions Gate Declares Its War on Big Screen Entertainment Will Never End
    Saw VII apparently will contain a segment where we are wrapped in explosives with two monitors facing us - one with Sarah Palin and Levi Johnston, the other with Carrie Prejean all being interviewed by Larry King in a continual loop...we can blow ourselves up if....we.....could....just....reach....the....button... #lionsgate
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    11/13/09

    @Martiniman: That is just sick. #lionsgate
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    11/13/09

    In reply to Lions Gate Declares Its War on Big Screen Entertainment Will Never End
    Saw VI cost $11M and made $27M. It's clearly winding down, but it's still making money too. #lionsgate
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    Image of MaggieDisco MaggieDisco
    11/13/09

    In reply to Lions Gate Declares Its War on Big Screen Entertainment Will Never End
    "it's" is not the same as "its"
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    Image of Owen Thomas Owen Thomas
    11/13/09

    @MaggieDisco: And "WIll" is not the same as "Will". But who's counting? I'm just waiting for someone to start debating whether it's "Lions Gate" or "Lionsgate". #lionsgate
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    11/13/09

    @MaggieDisco: ...but "dick" is. #lionsgate
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    11/13/09

    In reply to Lions Gate Declares Its War on Big Screen Entertainment Will Never End
    I like slasher films, I like gore and I like horror, and the Saw-series of escalating clusterfucks are just inexcusably bad. The only exception might be the first one. #lionsgate
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    11/13/09

    @Go Like Hell Machine: No that one was bad too. Cary Elwes acting made it campy and thus worth seeing. #lionsgate
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    11/13/09

    @Jsmoke: Hence, the reason I excluded it. #lionsgate
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    Image of Juancho Juancho
    11/13/09

    In reply to Lions Gate Declares Its War on Big Screen Entertainment Will Never End
    Dirty Dancing sells 730k copies a year? I call shenanigans. #lionsgate
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    11/13/09

    @Juancho: Me too. Does he really wants us to think that 83 people AN HOUR go to Walmart or something to buy Dirty Dancing? GOD, this industry people. #lionsgate
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    11/13/09

    @Juancho: I bought four copies yesterday. #lionsgate
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    11/13/09

    @Mutley: The other day, I was walking through best buy and tripped and a pallet of 2000 dirty dancing DVD's fell off the shelf and I had to pay for them all.

    I imagine this happens every day, all over the country. #lionsgate
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    Image of katekate is squared katekate is squared
    11/13/09

    In reply to Lions Gate Declares Its War on Big Screen Entertainment Will Never End
    Torture porn in 3D? DO NOT WANT. #lionsgate
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    11/13/09

    @katekate is squared: Please, please, for the love of everything holy, do not let Lars Von Trier hear about this. #lionsgate
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    11/13/09

    In reply to Lions Gate Declares Its War on Big Screen Entertainment Will Never End
    So...wait...does that mean in Saw VII the torture machine is going to be Tyler Perry? Chill-making. #lionsgate
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    11/13/09

    @AndPreciousLittleofThat: Why make that into a movie? Tyler Perry is already a torture machine. Currently. In real life. #lionsgate
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    11/13/09

    In reply to Lions Gate Declares Its War on Big Screen Entertainment Will Never End
    The fact that a significant portion of our society actually wants to watch this stuff is quite illuminating. When watching someone get tortured to death "thrills" you more than it disturbs you, I'm sorry but there is something wrong. Am I the only one who feels this way?? #lionsgate
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    11/13/09

    @deepey: You are not the only one who feels this way. #lionsgate
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    11/13/09

    @deepey:

    i'm with you, and i've asked others who like these kinds of movies, exactly what appeals to them. they answer they just like being "scared" and these movies do that for them. maybe the question could be, nowadays why does it take something this extreme to scare people? #lionsgate
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    Image of City_Dater City_Dater
    11/13/09

    @msAnthrope:

    You all have to ask? Look around... #lionsgate
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    11/13/09

    @deepey: Isn't this the same thing people have said about scary books, horror movies and video games, since the dawn of scary books, horror movies and video games?

    I don't think there's anything wrong with these movies, other than the fact that they're terrible. Plot, writing, effects - everything is awful about them. However, exceedingly gory or violent movies aren't anything new, and despite conventional wisdom, they aren't actually ushering in a new era of apocalypse.
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    11/13/09

    @msAnthrope: I'd say that, right in the post, the theory that it takes something this extreme to scare people is sort of discredited; Paranormal Activity totally destroyed Saw in the theaters, and it's not gory, torturous or anything similar. #lionsgate
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    11/13/09

    @Go Like Hell Machine: Okay, we can agree that they're terrible. But in terms of signaling the impending Apocalypse, no, they don't. I guess they do signal a total lack of constraint and a flippancy about human suffering that both irritates and disturbs me. Humans are fully capable of watching people being torn apart by animals for "entertainment" purposes (see: ancient Rome), but that doesn't mean it's healthy or positive to start indulging in such spectacles again.

    A ghost story is one thing, but I think almost anyone can see that Hostel or the Saw saga are in an entirely different, sadistic category. Slasher flicks and thrillers like Psycho have been around for decades without too many people batting an eye, but torture porn takes it to a whole new level. #lionsgate
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    11/13/09

    @deepey: So, what about, say, Night of the Living Dead? I mean, that's eating flesh of living beings. #lionsgate
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    11/13/09

    @Go Like Hell Machine: I don't know why it's different to me, but for some reason it just is. Maybe because they are zombies/monsters doing the eating, rather than other human beings? Also, the action in a zombie movie is a little different...the thrills come partly from the chase, the escape, the fight, etc.

    It seems like torture porn centers around situations in which the victim is pretty much helpless, and the audience is set up as voyeur, watching deliberate and methodical acts of cruelty that we know are inevitably going to play out before us. #lionsgate
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    11/13/09

    @deepey: Okay then, Texas Chainsaw Massacre. The point I'm trying to make is that these movies have been around for a really, really long time; we can argue what they mean for us as a civilization (or, rather, other people can - it's not an argument that I think goes anywhere), but it's not as if these are new.

    I would venture to say that, if you were to look through the history of cult/grindhouse/horror films, you could easily come across some that make even Hostel or the Saw series pale in comparison. They just didn't have as much financing or the high-gloss production values of these newer films. And I think that is a result of decades of underground/cult cinema finally having multi-generational support, rather than an indication that things are getting worse all the time.

    Here's another, totally different example: Oldboy. It's largely considered a really excellent film, yet has some very, very excruciating scenes throughout. Once Were Warriors is another excellent example. They're exceptionally brutal films, but are never lumped into the "torture porn" category, despite their frequent, graphic and terrifying depictions of human cruelty. #lionsgate
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    Image of CumaeanSibyl CumaeanSibyl
    11/13/09

    @msAnthrope: A better question is, what kind of brainless wretch actually finds these movies scary? Oh boy, here's somebody strapped into a torture mechanism! Do you think he's gonna to get tortured?? I can't stand the suspense!

    I mean, really. You know what's going to happen the minute they show you the setup. And then it happens! And it's gross. "If you want to live, you'll have to cut your leg off!" "Okay." Gosh, he actually did it! Wow.

    I'm not distressed about people wanting to see gore; I'm upset at the notion that anybody thinks this sort of grinding, thankless special-effects showcase is actually "scary."
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    11/13/09

    @Go Like Hell Machine: I kind of have to concede your point here. You're right, sadism-as-entertainment has been around forever - centuries even - and it's resurfacing to become more "glossy" and mainstream in our 21st century multiplexes. You're also right that a debate about the value of such "entertainment" isn't going to go anywhere. I'm the last person to even entertain the idea of censorship, and evidently there are a lot of people out there who are entertained by it, so what is there to say, really?

    I guess the crux of my argument is that I don't understand how or why "torture porn" is entertaining, and I find the material itself disturbing, as well as the increasingly mainstream appetite for it. But that's not really an argument, because who am I to tell people what to watch? #lionsgate
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    11/13/09

    @deepey: Really, I'm just curious as to what the definition of "torture porn" really is?

    And thanks for being thoughtful; I'm not arguing for the sake of arguing, I'm "arguing" because I legitimately disagree - and if we can go back and forth civilly about all this, then I suppose we're not all doomed after all. #lionsgate
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    11/14/09

    @Go Like Hell Machine: I guess if I had to define it, I'd say it's a horror movie that focuses on torture and sadism - and somewhat "realistically"; these aren't zombies we're talking about here. But maybe someone more versed in the horror genre would be better than me at defining it; I've never been a huge horror fan (and there goes all of my credibility out the window).
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    Image of Kakapo Kakapo
    11/16/09

    Actually, "The Texas Chainsaw Massacre" is a fairly well-made film that tricks you into thinking you've seen far more gore than you actually have. And both it and "Night of the Living Dead" have political subtexts that make them worthwhile. But I agree with you. Maybe "Blood Feast" or "2,000 Manicacs" are better examples. #lionsgate
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    11/16/09

    @Kakapo: Hell, even something campy like Dead Alive is pretty gory when you get down to it, and I'm not sure it really "tells" us anything about anything.

    Except that Peter Jackson used to be way more fun than he is now. #lionsgate
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    11/16/09

    @Go Like Hell Machine: Mmmm... "Meet the Feebles"... Delicious muppet gore. #lionsgate
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    11/16/09

    @Kakapo: Actually, muppet porn gore. I'm amazed someone hasn't tried to revive that genre of one film. #lionsgate
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    Image of Rhymenocerous Rhymenocerous
    10/26/09

    In reply to Hollwood Contemplates a Saw-less Future; Orders Just One More Top Chef
    I thought for sure the "crowded television dessert category" bit was a joke, but clicked through to confirm. Holy shit. What is happening to TV? #saw
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    10/26/09

    In reply to Hollwood Contemplates a Saw-less Future; Orders Just One More Top Chef
    Yeah, note to Hollywood: people dig thoughtful, well-made shit. Most of the time. #saw
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    10/26/09

    In reply to Hollwood Contemplates a Saw-less Future; Orders Just One More Top Chef
    I'm started to get worried that January Jones is a moron. Stay classy, January! I know those thrillers come baring huge checks, but, please, think of your future. Someone sit her down to lunch with Kate Winslet. #saw
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    10/26/09

    In reply to Hollwood Contemplates a Saw-less Future; Orders Just One More Top Chef
    Phew! Headline had me scared there thinking that Bravo was asking for just one more season of Top Chef. After all, Chopped is a fun show over on the Food network (more cooking, less personalities), and Next Iron Chef is working well this year (more cooking, less psyops), but Top Chef is like home cooking: Not always great, but still the real deal that you crave (even if you have to go out to get it). #saw
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    10/26/09

    In reply to Hollwood Contemplates a Saw-less Future; Orders Just One More Top Chef
    Ahem, with my extensive knowledge and expertise in the language of fat, I am available to fill one of the judging positions for TC:JD. #saw
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    10/26/09

    In reply to Hollwood Contemplates a Saw-less Future; Orders Just One More Top Chef
    If the "Man v Wild" game has a secret level were Bear and I have to have sex to stay warm in the arctic tundra, I might have to get into video games again. #saw
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    10/26/09

    In reply to Hollwood Contemplates a Saw-less Future; Orders Just One More Top Chef
    Please--as long as we loveblog Just Desserts, those other shows are zero competition. And there will be loveblogging. (Right, Hip? Please say it's so...) #saw
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    10/26/09

    @DahlELama: i knowwww!!! an hour of delicious dessertyness?!?! #saw
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