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    Image of VoxPopuli VoxPopuli
    01:02 AM

    In reply to Biggest Loser: Basically Killing Fat People for Your Amusement
    People - can we all agree at least that Jillian Michaels looks like an itty-bitty dick centered between those giant balls?
    Yeah, thought I'd stop by and elevate the conversation a bit.
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    06:51 AM

    @VoxPopuli: From what I hear, she IS a dick.
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    12:22 AM

    In reply to Biggest Loser: Basically Killing Fat People for Your Amusement
    Wow, smell all the earnestness in the comments section! How do I get back to Gawker from here?
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    11/25/09

    In reply to Biggest Loser: Basically Killing Fat People for Your Amusement
    I always thought the Biggest Loser was heavily edited. I thought there is no way this show would take dangerously obese people who have been sitting on the couch for years then the next day have them doing really intense works out. There is no way that is healthy or realistic. I like the premise of the show and think it is really inspirational but moderation needs to accompany motivation. There's no way they can keep up those intense work out routines after they leave the show. I thought they taught the contestants healthy eating habits and helped them make crucial lifestyle changes not pushing them so hard that the piss blood.
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    11/25/09

    In reply to Biggest Loser: Basically Killing Fat People for Your Amusement
    Ok, goin out on the gawker ledge here to defend this show:
    Sure, there are some not-so-good choices going on in having people use a cash prize/crash weight loss system--but has the alternative of just sitting around and staying fat really done anything for obese america? I gotta say, the one thing the show does really well is get into the psychology of what causes people to self-medicate with food (just as AA has done for years with alcohol). God forbid we admit that food is just as dangerous (if perhaps not even more dangerous) a drug as all the illegal drugs we persecute people for every minute in this country.
    And I gotta say, I'm a rather in-shape-kinda guy, but I purposely head to the gym every morning after watching the show because my workout routine is automatically doubled by still hearing the fabulous Jillian screaming in my ears.
    Finally: fat people sweating, crying and hugging--kills me every episode.
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    11/25/09

    In reply to Biggest Loser: Basically Killing Fat People for Your Amusement
    I understand they're angry at her, but squeezing Jillian Michaels' testicles like that won't help.
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    11/25/09

    In reply to Biggest Loser: Basically Killing Fat People for Your Amusement
    Not to mention the fact that The Biggest Loser is depleting attendance at America's zoos.
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    11/25/09

    @Richard Petty Bourgeoisie: Fat people are zoo animals. Nice. Saying this about what other group would be acceptable?
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    11/25/09

    @TheBusinessGuy: Guidos?
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    11/25/09

    @Richard Petty Bourgeoisie: Honestly, the remarks are too obvious and junior-high-ish to be funny. I do wonder why you enjoy hurting people; maybe you should, too. And now, I will stop trolling.

    #tips
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    11/25/09

    In reply to Biggest Loser: Basically Killing Fat People for Your Amusement
    One man's obese potential Biggest Loser contestant is another man's scariest high school offensive lineman ever.
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    11/25/09

    In reply to Biggest Loser: Basically Killing Fat People for Your Amusement
    HamNo continues his interesting fascination with fat people, but at least this time there are no insults. The responsibility for what goes on on The Biggest Loser lies with the evil fucks who produce and perform on the show; the sad, desperate fat people; and with the American public that discriminates against fat people because there is something "wrong" with them (see the thread about the conservative thinker).

    Fat people are discriminated against in employment, housing, and other areas. They are mocked to their faces and continually get unasked for advice from friends and even strangers. People assume they lack willpower even though science shows fatness has an almost insurmountable genetic and we are bombarded with unhealthy foods (check out books by Gina Kolata and David Kessler). The trick is not in losing weight; the trick is in keeping it off, which 90% of dieters fail to do for the reasons I just mentioned. But still the fat people get little compassion or sympathy from society--even though most Americans are overweight now.

    So don't attack the evil in The Biggest Loser as if it is some "other". We have met the enemy, and it is us.
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    11/25/09

    @TheBusinessGuy: Who mocks fat people to their face? It's much easier to laugh behind their back...
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    11/25/09

    @TheBusinessGuy: look, I'm a little pudgy. I'm not huge but I know I need some work. Here's the thing: fat people are unhealthy. I'm only about 20 pounds over where I should be and I *feel* unhealthy. So, you know what? There really is something "wrong" with being fat, and I know from personal experience that it *is* largely a matter of will.
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    11/25/09

    @lostarchitect: Well, no, fat people are not necessarily unhealthy, and no, it is not necessarily a matter. Check out the science. The two authors I mentioned are a good start.

    #tips
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    11/25/09

    @Mymoustache: Hey, I love snark and sarcasm as much as the next guy--fat or thin. But why is it okay to mock fat people for being fat but not blacks for being black or gays for being gay? Is bigotry ever okay?

    #tips
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    11/25/09

    @lostarchitect: if you are 20 lbs over what *you* think is "where you should be" than that's on you and your own perception of your body. If you feel unhealthy it's probably because you are putting unhealthy things in your body.

    Do not hate on people who are happily a little pudgy and eat a well balanced diet and exercise.

    Maybe you need some counseling to help with your negative body image.
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    11/25/09

    @Stacy Davis: You're funny. Where did I say anything about how I look? I feel unhealthy because I don't get much exercise and eat a bit too much (and yes, some junk food). If someone is my size they may or may not feel great and be healthy--that depends on their body type. I know exactly why *I'm* overweight, and I'm not hating on anyone, I'm saying obese people are unhealthy. It's a simple fact. It really is.
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    11/25/09

    @TheBusinessGuy: This is a stupid comparison. Fat people can change themselves (I don't buy any of that crap about genetics). A black or gay person can't change what he or she is.
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    11/25/09

    @TheBusinessGuy: And this is where you lose me. Using ignorance to fight bigotry is never a good idea. Being black or gay is NOT the same as being fat, although the discrimination might feel the same. I'm not familiar with the so-called science but is it really possible to become obese without ingesting large quantities of food. Of course genetics play an important role but behaviour also has a lot to do with it. With a lot of hard work you can stop being obese; you can never stop being black or gay. I don't see the point in shame and I really don't see the point in shows like the Biggest Loser, which I have never watched because just watching a promo spot for it fills me with rage.
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    11/25/09

    @topsy: Check out the science. If 90% of dieters can't keep the weight off, it isn't just willpower. And believe me, in this society, no one chooses to be fat.

    #tips
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    11/25/09

    @manas.pradhan: Read the science, my friend. I bet you haven't.

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    11/25/09

    @TheBusinessGuy: You keep saying "read the science". Please show us what we should be reading.
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    11/25/09

    @Mymoustache: When did the words "easier" and "gutless"become synonymous?
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    11/25/09

    @TheBusinessGuy: Are you familiar with the Shriners?
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    11/25/09

    @lostarchitect: I mentioned the recent books by Gina Kolata and David Kessler. Kolata, who is of course the Times' science writer, wrote Rethinking Thin; Kessler, the former FDA commissioner, wrote The End of Overeating.

    #tips
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    11/25/09

    @TheBusinessGuy: "science shows fatness has an almost insurmountable genetic (component, I assume)?" Sorry, that's incorrect in most cases. You won't become a beanpole model, but you won't be obese. And exercising 6 hours a day isn't 'crazy.' Anyone on an expedition or thru-hike does it, and you always come back far fitter than you started. What's weird is that being seriously active is considered crazy, while sitting in a chair, eating continuously, and wallowing in stress is labeled as normal.

    Change your eating and lifestyle habits. I did. And I know a guy who went from 400 lbs to a 165-pound marathon runner in 18 months doing nothing more than fitness walking, then jogging, and eating right. He also joined Weight Watchers for the AA-style support.

    Anyone who's lost a lot of weight (like me) while their fat friends naysay learns the frightening power of self-justification. Objecting to the hardly-rocket-science facts of fitness, and touting fat acceptance, is actually called 'co-dependency.' Ridicule, and support, are useful tools. And compassion too often equals an easy excuse.

    We are indeed bombarded with the opportunity to eat unhealthy foods; But in the end, we ourselves choose them over the apples just down the aisle.

    Most young- to middle-aged people can go from 30-40 pounds overweight to seriously honed in six months. The secret? No more excuses. Ever.
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    11/25/09

    @TheSometimesWhy: Wow...thanks for the lesson in "obvious"
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    11/25/09

    @Mymoustache: No, thank you.

    #tips
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    11/25/09

    @TheBusinessGuy: Well, when it comes to weight, a lot of it is attitude and misinformation. People don't understand how exercise works, and they don't understand differences in fats and other energy dense (high calorie) substances. The whole scare about trans fats? It's because once it's stored as fat, it can take up to 7 years to burn because of the way it's structured to make it difficult for your body to break down for energy. Same with hydrated oils, which are pretty much also trans fats. Any peanutbutter that the oil does NOT shift to the top isn't good for you, and don't even get me started on 'cheese foods'. You also have coconut oil, which is being used in place of hydrated vegetable oils to be 'organic'. Yeah, it is natural, but it has as much saturated fat as animal products do. Another horrendous culprit is high fructose corn syrup. At least with refined sugar, it just lowered your immune system, this stuff kills your immune system AND is difficult to break down in your body because of the triple process your body needs to break it down into energy.

    And as for attitude, people won't motivate themselves, or they'll make excuses for why they aren't (my personal favorite one brandished around is they may have a thyroid problem). Genetics factor in 85% of the time, but that doesn't mean you can't lose it, just means it's a bit more difficult. It's not that it is hard to lose weight, it's just that it's so convenient to gain it.

    Essentially, it comes from building proper eating and exercise habits, while being patient about it (good weight loss takes months to years). And as much as overweight or obese people complain about their friends, the moment you start letting them know you are going to seriously lose weight, they tend to become rather supportive, and even helpful, of your goal.
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    11/25/09

    @TheBusinessGuy:

    I think the trick for everyone, save people with medical conditions that prevent them from weight loss, should be not putting it on in the first place.
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    11/25/09

    @Mymoustache: This is what is known in logic as "the fallacy of personal experience." Good for you that you lost the weight. Let's hope you keep it off; almost no one does. Weight Watchers has among the highest success rates of any diet/program, but as I recall, even there it is about 50% (AA, which doesn't like to discuss success rates, is by most estimates even lower). Yes, exercise is good, in moderation. But should those who can't lose weight really be subjected to cruelty, discrimination, and ridicule? Is that moral? Is it really okay to hurt people because of what they look like?

    #tips
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    11/25/09

    @Seeräuber Jenny: True. But our society runs on fatty, salty, and sweet foods to an extent unprecedented in our history--and a lot of it is hidden in the food. And again, the medical condition many fat people have--a significant number of them--is that they genetically are disposed to being fat.

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    11/25/09

    @TheBusinessGuy: Okay, can we draw a distinction here? Being slightly "overweight" (pudgy, plump, what have you) but generally living a healthy (or at least not unhealthy) lifestyle is miles away from eating incredibly caloric foods and never exercising (even walking) and being fat because of that.

    Besides, body image is important, obviously, but anyone who eats an unhealthy diet, avoids exercise, and engages in other dangerous behaviors (like smoking, which, okay, guilty as charged), be they skinny or fat, is less healthy than s/he could be.
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    11/25/09

    @WFROSE: Again, the trick is not losing weight--a calorie restricted diet will do that for almost anyone. The trick is not putting it back on, and that is where genetics and the food in our culture come in. As to supportive friends, yes, how wonderful that they will be supportive when you diet. The shame is that people are abusive and bigoted when you can't lose weight. Being fat isn't a moral flaw.

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    11/25/09

    @topsy: Absolutely. To be black or gay is an immutable characteristic. Moreover, and I acknowledge that views have changed over the years, but it is not abnormal to be black or gay. It is abnormal to be seriously obese. The body simply was not designed to handle that kind of weight.
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    11/25/09

    @muppet_baby: Let's assume what you say is true. Are the people who eat unhealthily worthy of abuse and discrimination?

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    11/25/09

    @TheBusinessGuy:

    I don't believe plain willpower works. You do have to have the will to reeducate yourself and organize your life in ways that promote different eating habits and exercise.

    Clearly, it's extremely difficult. But not impossible.
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    11/25/09

    @Seeräuber Jenny: On that we absolutely agree. I will say that it is nearly impossible, at least according to the best data out there. My real point is that it is not okay to belittle people because they fail to live up to some standard of health and beauty--which standard, by the way, has shifted throughout history and varies by culture.

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    11/25/09

    @TheBusinessGuy: No, of course not. That doesn't have to do with the victim of abuse being fat but rather the instigator being a dick.
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    11/25/09

    @muppet_baby: Well said. There, we agree. And who wants a thin dick?

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    11/25/09

    @TheBusinessGuy: And the calorie restricted diet is only part of it. It's all around healthy habits that will do it for just about everyone. Ask how many overweight people actually eat breakfast, and if they do, what do they eat? How many of them actually decide to park at the back of the parking lot at the market? How many of them take the stairs? How many try to eat small dinners at the end of the day, and light snacks a couple times a day? How many try to eat a balanced diet? How many chew their food ten times each bite? How many drink a gulp of water between each bite? How many even DRINK water, and drink enough of it? How many go for a walk few times a week? How many actually prepare their own meals? How many of them actually believe that diet soda helps them lose weight (it actually makes them more thirsty and/or desire sweets more)

    It's not just the big thing, drastic diet change and great quantities of aerobic exercise, that will help you lose weight, but the accumulation of all these small things that are easily rectified (unless you have some kind of crippling physical or psychological disability). You don't even have to do everything I stated, but the most important thing is for people to educate themselves on proper nutrition instead of looking for quick schemes like fad diets or exercise boot camps. If you rely on those of course you're not going to keep the weight off. But if you buy yourself the makings for sandwiches with fresh lunch meats instead of stopping at McDonald's every other day, or pick up a hobby such as Salsa dancing at a local community center, or make and maintain a garden , or go to a local community college and participate in the adult swim programs there, people will be on their way to successful weight loss.

    And as for your friends, I'm pretty sure they're supportive of you for the most part, dieting or no. If not... well... I don't think they're really your friends, wouldn't you concur? But, keep in mind that friends... real friends... also are concerned for your welfare. So if and when you decide to make the effort of a healthy lifestyle, they will do what they can to help you. Being fat isn't a moral flaw (unless you're Christian, gluttony and sloth are sins, after all), but it is a physiological one. The stress you put on your body from being overweight and definitely obese is tremendous in body support by the muscles, ligaments and tendons, and bones, and the circulatory system. It boosts your self esteem not just by looking, but by feeling better; less chronic pain issues and you do build more energy.

    Finally, you keep emphasizing dieting. The problem with many calorie cutting techniques is that your body adapts to your food intake. When it notices you're taking in significantly less food (as with a low calorie diet), your body goes into starvation mode, and attempts to reduce the amount of activity you do. A better idea is not to diet, but to eat regularly. "Eat like a king in the morning, like a prince in the noon, and like a pauper in the evening" while eating snacks in between. Eat five to seven times a day, and you'll notice you'll be a lot more satisfied with smaller meals... and cut calories in the process.

    #speakup
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    11/25/09

    @WFROSE: I usually don't get into the comment wars on weight-related posts, but I had to chime in on your comment because it had me nodding in agreement from start to finish. Lots of level-headed common sense. Thank you.
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    11/25/09

    @WFROSE: You are basically right. I would still point out that the science says that many if not most fat people will plateau no matter what they do because their genes are so programmed. It's not just effort; there is a big destiny component there. And as for self-esteem, what should matter more is how one behaves to others, whether one leads a moral life--not whether one looks good. And unfortunately, the way one looks is what seems to matter to too many people (I do not include you, WFR). Really, the issue I brought up is not whether one should lose weight, but, rather, is it fair, humane, kind, and morale to attack or mock someone because of his or her looks, to make a moral judgement about that person based on his or her looks, and for Americans to be prejudiced against fat people. I'm sure that despite differing views on the science of weight loss, all reasonable people here are opposed to cruelty and bigotry.

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    11/25/09

    @TheBusinessGuy:

    I would never deny that the human palate is exploited by Big Food. But now that we know that, what are we going to do about it? Simply cave, or try to change our habits?

    In addition to people with a genetic predisposition to being heavy, which means they have to be more vigilant earlier, any American who grows old enough to have his/her metabolism slow down has to worry about this.
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    11/25/09

    @TheBusinessGuy:

    I don't belittle people. We all have our failings. I do admit to getting upset when I see obese -- obese -- not merely a bit overweight -- parents with children who look like baby blimps. It's not all genetics; some of it is habits learned from the parents.
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    11/25/09

    @Seeräuber Jenny: I'm sure you don't belittle people. On the overall issue, shall we agree to partly disagree? All the joys of the holiday to you. Me, I'm going off to enjoy a deep-fried terducken.

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    08:34 PM

    @Seeräuber Jenny: Why would you even consider their state of being any of your business? Between you and me, I feel a little sick when I see people who don't have a gorgeous glossy thick mane of hair like mine, but I try really hard not to fault them for it. Seriously. Why do you have an opinion about what other people look like?
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    11/25/09

    In reply to Biggest Loser: Basically Killing Fat People for Your Amusement
    But all this leaves aside the question of what the contestants are doing to those monster implants.
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    11/25/09

    @Smitros: that's actually a mold of last year's winner's ass.
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    11/25/09

    In reply to Biggest Loser: Basically Killing Fat People for Your Amusement
    I cannot watch that show, the shit they have these obese people doing is NUTS. Having a 300 lb man do any sort of squatting or jumping is just ridiculous. Why don't they just take a sledgehammer to their knees and call it a day?
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    @bluebears: I've been exercising 5 times a week. It took me 2 months to work up to that, and I'm nowhere near the size of the contestants on the show. How they don't snap their bones, pass out, or throw their backs out immediately is a mystery to me.
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    11/25/09

    In reply to Biggest Loser: Basically Killing Fat People for Your Amusement
    wait, but if you're fat, and then you gain 30 lbs of muscle in 6 weeks, how are you supposed to win when everyone else is dehydrating themselves?

    You would totally not get the cash prize, HamNo.
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    11/25/09

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    So the contestants themselves bear NO responsibility for their choices?

    This seems a dangerous precedent to be set on a gossip website.
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    11/25/09

    @Pope John Peeps II: The problem is we don't really know what the contract they sign obligates them to do. They're not just people that NBC is filming while they try to lose weight; they are contractual employees of NBC who have certain obligations set forth in the contract. And depending on the contract, it could be worded vaguely enough that they don't really know what they're getting into ahead of time. I doubt it specifically says they'll be exercising 6 hours per day, for example - it probably says something like "an exercise regimen to be determined at NBC's discretion".

    Yes, sometimes people are stupid and don't read the contracts they sign. But just as often (and probably more often), contracts are written by evil corporations who see it as their job to obfuscate as much as possible.
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    11/25/09

    @badasscat: Well, I suppose it's something like a "workplace safety" issue, which would make it a studio concern and should be written into some sort of contract. Certainly they should be monitored by a doctor of SOME sort.

    But then again I don't think any employer is legally required to monitor the private activities of their people outside of what's required for this particular workplace. If they go through all this exercise, and then ignore whatever advice is given to them to eat and drink properly in their off hours, then it's THEIR choice, and therefore their problem.
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    11/25/09

    In reply to Biggest Loser: Basically Killing Fat People for Your Amusement
    "Contestants can get a little too crazy and they can get too thin," she said.

    In a competition where the whole point is to get as thin as possible?

    THAT'S CRAZY!!!
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    Image of Lymed Lymed
    11/25/09

    @MisterHippity: Just like those crazy people on Project Runway who make too much dress so the models poops it out her ass.
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    Image of momof3wildkids momof3wildkids
    11/25/09

    @MisterHippity: They would be much better basing their contest on body fat measurements rather than sheer poundage. (assuming of course that is the measurement, as I have never watched but have seen clips of weigh ins)
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    Image of Seeräuber Jenny Seeräuber Jenny
    11/25/09

    @momof3wildkids: Perhaps. It would definitely be healthier. But it would be complicated to calculate reasonable goals. For example, men can safely achieve a much lower fat percentage than women. I think certain elite male athletes sometimes have as little as 6% body fat. That would be extremely unhealthy for a woman, even if it were possible.
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    Image of Uncle_Billy_Slumming Uncle_Billy_Slumming
    11/24/09

    In reply to Nudity Legal Here in NYC!
    Bust out the olive oil... nude wrestling in the park!
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    Image of Kaiser-Machead Kaiser-Machead
    11/24/09

    In reply to Nudity Legal Here in NYC!
    But in NYC, you really don't want to do that. With all the fucked up, grab-happy people slithering around the cityscape, maybe a shirt is not such a bad idea.
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