God forbid we let anyone human crawl under a border fence, but show up in a big shiny space thing, appear to be white and have impeccable eyebrows, and hey, we'll throw you a parade. #lizardpeople
Glenn Garvin, just to give some subtext, is a libertarian nutbag.
He recently started writing some wingnut political column every other week for his home paper, The Miami Herald (remember when major newspapers used to have their own TV reviewers?), which has apparently emboldened him to insert more political subtext into his boob tube reviews. #lizardpeople
With all of the amazing sci-fi out there that has room for a sexy and interesting cast, it's personally galling to me that the network is beating some dead horse of a second-rate, derivative sci-fi franchise from the '80s.
Now, touching on the economic factor: I think that it's played out. There were already two separate miniseries and a nineteen-episode TV series! Did this not ring some alarm bells?
@i'm a bottle: I'd find your arguments completely rational if we were in fact discussing the abysmal, puke-fodder Knight Rider reincarnation from Hades, but since we're not, and V totally blew my mind as a kid, and it appears NBC's maws aren't on this reboot,...I'm excited. Wheee!
C'mon no part of you wants to see that jaw unhinge and an unsuspecting guinea pig go down the hatch? OR witness the reptile (puppet) birth? Classic. #lizardpeople
@Spirit Fingers: I'm 'too young' to remember the original V (I Love the 80s makes me old enough, I guess) , but I think the TV spots make this look like an interesting show.
If it's 'complete bullshit that talks down to me,' I obviously won't watch beyond the pilot, but I'm giving this a chance. #lizardpeople
@Colander: Hey, young'in. Yeah, I have very high expectations, so if it doesn't impress, and it's like some other sci-fi bullshit i.e. Surface, then I'll be disappointed. But let's see what happens. Could be brilliant. Could be Heroes (I mean that in a negative way). We'll just have to wait and see.
Maybe we'll get a recap or a quick post tomorrow in order to laud or boo ABC's attempt. #lizardpeople
@Spirit Fingers: I had the misfortune of watching the original as an adult. I remember it veered crazily between relentlessly predictable and hilariously awkward. Picture a world colonization by aliens, centered in L.A., with plot derivative more of Dynasty than The Day the Earth Stood Still. Add a soupçon of bad 80s hair, and uniforms modeled on Michael Jackson's wardrobe of that time, and you have V. #lizardpeople
@BadUncle: Yes, this is mostly true. But nothing like it was on television at the time. It was unique in that sense, and as a kid, reptiles looking like humans, and reptile copulation, and reptile dining on rodents...totally. blew. your. mind. It was fun and campy and by no stretch of the imagination Close Encounters of the Third Kind, but like I said great fun for the time, and hey, the hell was wrong with Dynasty?! #lizardpeople
@BadUncle: Yeah, well. You didn't miss much. Around that time you could only really see Poltergeist and Death Wish II repeatedly, every three hours on Home Box Office. Heh. And movies took about a year to be released on Cable....so we all watched Teevee anyway. As miniseries goes...it was Shogun, V, and North and South. We watched, cable or no. #lizardpeople
Oh, urgh. I really don't want to politicize the show this much. I'm much happier when my television uses subtlety to refer to national politics, but if there has to be a comparison...couldn't we say that the "Visitors" are really right wing fanatics and they are the ones with the hidden agenda and plans to disrupt the country and humanity as we know it, with their prehistoric thinking, desire to divide and conquer, and general inability to let independent thought flourish and live without their need to smother, control, and demand submission from an otherwise free thinking society? And if we're going that far, couldn't Ana (so sorry Morena Baccarin) be Sarah Palin? The pretty lady (reptile in sheep's clothing) who attempts to convince everyone she means no harm, but underneath there's really just a heinous (stupid) monster out for self and self only? #lizardpeople
@Spirit Fingers: "let independent thought flourish and live without their need to smother, control, and demand submission from an otherwise free thinking society? "
So only the "right wing" is guilty of this?
I didn't think liberals had independent thoughts. #lizardpeople
@ConAir34: Look, you start bringing guns to town hall meetings, create lies and lunacy out of smoke and mirrors, and generally whip up fanaticism, racism, and make entertainers and simpletons your spokespersons and leaders whom you follow blindly... er yeah, I'm saying only the right wing is guilty of this. #lizardpeople
@Spirit Fingers: People are allowed to carry weapons openly in some states. How many people were shot and killed at these town hall meetings? Oh yeah, zero.
Lies and lunacy, fanaticism, racism etc are far more the calling card of the left wing. I can say that because you didn't bother to give examples. If you are just going to use large brushstrokes then I suppose I will to.
As far as entertainers and simpletons being our leaders...I would like to direct your attention to Hollywood. Bastion of the left wing liberal. THANK GOD THE CELEBRITIES ARE HERE TO TELL ME WHAT TO DO. #lizardpeople
Um, not okay to bring weapons to a town hall meeting. I don't care what idiotic state says you can carry them. Use your own common sense. "Going to talk about healthcare...I know, Dangnabbit! I need my pistola for that meet'in!" (Can't believe I'm even typing this. Christ.)
[Thoughts in Spirit Fingers' head] Should I list the right wing lies that have been spewed for the last nine years including the last 10 months.? Nah. How exhausting would that be? They'll only just quote Fox News or some other shouty lunatic. Not really worth it when they know exactly what lies I'm talking about, since they watch LimbaughBeckO'ReilyPalin religiously for their daily helping. Here are a few clues for the crossword, though:
Death Panels
Socialism
Birth Certificate
Obama terrorist
Obama Kenyan
Obama Communist
etc. etc. etc.
And about Hollywood, even though it would be sooo easy to listen to the rich and glamorous (I guess you think so), you see we don't...why? Because we realize that they have no real power, they can't change the face of politics, because they are really ordinary citizens. We don't make them denizens for our political party unless they earn it, and even then they're just one voice out of many, not the only blustering, crazed, wild-eyed, slack-jawed, crying, crusading, flustered voice drowning out all the other possible sane ones in the bunch. Pick your leaders smartly, or your whole team reflects the sentiments of the idiots holding the mic.
@Spirit Fingers: Here we go then. What you think is appropriate to bring to a town hall meeting is your business. If I live in an open carry state and I choose to bring a weapon there then that is my business. You are showing your base reaction to a gun is fear where there need not be. The law allows it so whatever you feel about it is kind of a moot point.
Death panels was such a lie then it must have been coincidence that the bill was changed to remove them. Oh wait.
Socialism. Government control of private industry is socialism. There are many of us out here that don't want that. There are many out here that think there is too much of it already.
Birthers are as dumb as truthers.
Terrorist/communist. Hey you lie down with dogs you get fleas. Sorry. When people who have helped shape your life are terrorists/marxists/communists you are going to catch a little splashback.
As for your last paragraph "blustering, crazed, wild-eyed, slack-jawed, crying, crusading, flustered voice drowning out all the other possible sane ones in the bunch."
I would like to draw your attention to MoveOn.org, CodePink, Unions, any environmental group, etc, etc, etc...
Hello pot...I believe you know mr kettle. #lizardpeople
@ConAir34: It truly boggles the mind what some would deem appropriate. I'm guessing if guns are okay, then C4 should be fine. All matter of weapons should be just peachy keen. Sorry, but no. No one will ever be able to justify the need for a gun at a town hall meeting. Especially one that had nothing to do with gun control or owner's rights.
I'm thinking if the so called "Death Panel" portion was removed it was because the ridiculous notion of the "killing grandma" propaganda was shamefully being repeated blindly, instead of people (right wing fanatics) actually using their brains to evaluate what was actually being said, and not listening to Sarah "mental athlete" Palin.
So we agree about the Birthers. Good. At least I can cross that off my "Geez. Is ConAir for real with this mess" list.
Not even going there with the terrorist/communist stuff. You know that was complete desperate bullshit.
Lastly, no liberal group has been as vocal, as fanatical, or misinformed as the right wing groups. They marched on Washington with racist Obama posters for Christ's sake! So yeah, really, let's stop playing games here. If you want to represent the right, do so, truly. But with arguments that make sense, and not just inflammatory talking points from the fringe. I'm assuming you do know that this is mostly fringe opinion that has become the opinion. #lizardpeople
@Spirit Fingers: Let's play a game where racist is has the same weight behind it as rapist. I am so very tired of seeing that word thrown around willy nilly. It is a cop out. Stop using it for a while and you will be amazed at how little you have left to say.
Guns are ok because they are legal. C4 is illegal. This is pretty easy stuff. People don't need to "justify" anything.
The language in the bill was, in fact, about counseling people on choosing to die. The name "Death panels" summed it up quite nicely.
Obama is a radical. That is not bullshit. The fun part is people waking up to that fact who voted for him. That's what they get though for doing zero research. Hope and Change is not a policy.
Liberal groups have been in full siege mode for years. The majority of the media have been enablers of this crap for years. At no other time in history has this been as apparent. Thank god for the internet and for people now to get some truth. Dan Rather sure wasn't going to give it to us.
I haven't really shot out talking points. I don't do that. I say the things I say because they are logical and I am a conservative. Some of my ideas will coincide with things the talking heads say. I cannot do anything about that. #lizardpeople
@ConAir34: These are a couple of the posters from the protest. So, yeah, I'm done with this conversation. The delusions here are too great. And if you can't see the racism I'd say therein lies the problem, and there's no point in continuing. #lizardpeople
@ConAir34: Haha. Wow. I thought stupid people like this only existed on the fake news. Kind of weird to actually come across one. Must be a strange life, being so wrong all the time. Shooting bullets at imaginary communists and hoarding all your boot-strap earned tax dollars so no one else gets at 'em. #lizardpeople
You were totally right. Oh wait one is a Joker poster and the other is equating Obama's health care with tribal medicine. A little crass but it makes it's point. You know what? I will even give you the point that that one guy with that one poster might be a little racist.
However, you should totally lump in the thousands and thousands of other people there as racist even though there is no possible way that is true. That way you never have to prove a point or create an argument. You just get to ride your luck dragon around screaming RACIST, RACIST!!! #lizardpeople
@ConAir34: Why would you wish me good luck? Seems kind of strange. You certainly are a mysterious species indeed! A real live ditto-head in our midst! Just think of it. Just going about his normal every day life on the Gawkers like the rest of us, but all the while secretly having no fucking idea about a single thing in the world beyond his own nose/pocket book. Take this discussion to i09, cause this shit is some sci-fi action. #lizardpeople
@lukeoneil47: Wow looks like your cheering section showed up.
Glad you are back for more stimulating discussion. I am sure this time you will actually have a point besides "neener, neener" right?
Oh no, I guess not. Tell you what. Why don't you go and do a little light reading. Get some opinions of your own. Maybe check out a website that isn't Gawker or HuffPost and hopefully you will see how the real world works.
You won't though. You will revel in your own hate and ignorance all the while demeaning anyone who doesn't share the same groupthink as you.
@goetz: I heard that Glenn Beck did this. I'm not sure if it's true or not, but I haven't heard him refute it, so I guess we'll just wait and see. #lizardpeople
@A Pimp Named DaveR: Thank you, kind sir. What a load of bullcrap this is. If I remember correctly, when they aired this the first time the discussion was that it was an allegory for Nazism--hardly a contemporary issue but something vivid enough to base sci-fi on, surely. People need to seriously calm. down. #lizardpeople
@DorothyBarker: It doesn't make the reading of it any less valid. Who cares what the "intention" was. There probably was none. If the argument can be persuasively made, then so be it. There it is.
Granted, the show is a remake of an old story, and it was filmed a while ago, but it has also been retooled a lot lately. Not unlikely that certain themes could have been included to play into contemporary politics of the last 9 months.
I have no horse in this race though. I'm about to watch it on the DVR, and I think Obama is a pussy moderate waaaayyyy too far to the right for my taste, so I don't really care what the reading is.
I'm just excited to see Inara vs Juliet vs Bailey! #lizardpeople
Oh but the aliens are coming, BriMoy. Only this time they have foreign birth certificates and they're going to take away your jobs.
At a time when Republicans warn Real (white) Americans about the dangers they face from invading foreigners and when Caucasian American citizens confront the inevitability of a minority-majority nation, it's no coincidence that a TV show would emerge about a sinister olive-toned and dark-haired foreigner who threatens the American way of life. As long as the writers keep the show from getting boring, it'll have a long shelf life. There are plenty of Southerners alone, who fear the increasing numbers of Mexicans in their midst and the newly upbeat attitude from their black acquaintances, to keep this show in business.
24 whets the appetite for torture and post-9/11 revenge fantasies. A little Arab water-boarding is fun and all but it isn't enough. This stuff validates the core belief that the dark foreigner, who isn't content to clean our toilets, is bad news. And humans are suckers for validation. #lizardpeople
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Sometimes a reptilian water-stealing alien is just a reptilian water-stealing alien. #lizardpeople
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He recently started writing some wingnut political column every other week for his home paper, The Miami Herald (remember when major newspapers used to have their own TV reviewers?), which has apparently emboldened him to insert more political subtext into his boob tube reviews. #lizardpeople
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Attractive alien leader: "I can see Alpha Centauri from my house." #lizardpeople
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Now, touching on the economic factor: I think that it's played out. There were already two separate miniseries and a nineteen-episode TV series! Did this not ring some alarm bells?
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C'mon no part of you wants to see that jaw unhinge and an unsuspecting guinea pig go down the hatch? OR witness the reptile (puppet) birth? Classic. #lizardpeople
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If it's 'complete bullshit that talks down to me,' I obviously won't watch beyond the pilot, but I'm giving this a chance. #lizardpeople
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Maybe we'll get a recap or a quick post tomorrow in order to laud or boo ABC's attempt. #lizardpeople
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Though, your theory gains credence if the remake stays true to the original and the Visitors start discrediting scientists en masse. #lizardpeople
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So only the "right wing" is guilty of this?
I didn't think liberals had independent thoughts. #lizardpeople
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Lies and lunacy, fanaticism, racism etc are far more the calling card of the left wing. I can say that because you didn't bother to give examples. If you are just going to use large brushstrokes then I suppose I will to.
As far as entertainers and simpletons being our leaders...I would like to direct your attention to Hollywood. Bastion of the left wing liberal. THANK GOD THE CELEBRITIES ARE HERE TO TELL ME WHAT TO DO. #lizardpeople
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Um, not okay to bring weapons to a town hall meeting. I don't care what idiotic state says you can carry them. Use your own common sense. "Going to talk about healthcare...I know, Dangnabbit! I need my pistola for that meet'in!" (Can't believe I'm even typing this. Christ.)
[Thoughts in Spirit Fingers' head] Should I list the right wing lies that have been spewed for the last nine years including the last 10 months.? Nah. How exhausting would that be? They'll only just quote Fox News or some other shouty lunatic. Not really worth it when they know exactly what lies I'm talking about, since they watch LimbaughBeckO'ReilyPalin religiously for their daily helping. Here are a few clues for the crossword, though:
Death Panels
Socialism
Birth Certificate
Obama terrorist
Obama Kenyan
Obama Communist
etc. etc. etc.
And about Hollywood, even though it would be sooo easy to listen to the rich and glamorous (I guess you think so), you see we don't...why? Because we realize that they have no real power, they can't change the face of politics, because they are really ordinary citizens. We don't make them denizens for our political party unless they earn it, and even then they're just one voice out of many, not the only blustering, crazed, wild-eyed, slack-jawed, crying, crusading, flustered voice drowning out all the other possible sane ones in the bunch. Pick your leaders smartly, or your whole team reflects the sentiments of the idiots holding the mic.
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Death panels was such a lie then it must have been coincidence that the bill was changed to remove them. Oh wait.
Socialism. Government control of private industry is socialism. There are many of us out here that don't want that. There are many out here that think there is too much of it already.
Birthers are as dumb as truthers.
Terrorist/communist. Hey you lie down with dogs you get fleas. Sorry. When people who have helped shape your life are terrorists/marxists/communists you are going to catch a little splashback.
As for your last paragraph "blustering, crazed, wild-eyed, slack-jawed, crying, crusading, flustered voice drowning out all the other possible sane ones in the bunch."
I would like to draw your attention to MoveOn.org, CodePink, Unions, any environmental group, etc, etc, etc...
Hello pot...I believe you know mr kettle. #lizardpeople
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I'm thinking if the so called "Death Panel" portion was removed it was because the ridiculous notion of the "killing grandma" propaganda was shamefully being repeated blindly, instead of people (right wing fanatics) actually using their brains to evaluate what was actually being said, and not listening to Sarah "mental athlete" Palin.
So we agree about the Birthers. Good. At least I can cross that off my "Geez. Is ConAir for real with this mess" list.
Not even going there with the terrorist/communist stuff. You know that was complete desperate bullshit.
Lastly, no liberal group has been as vocal, as fanatical, or misinformed as the right wing groups. They marched on Washington with racist Obama posters for Christ's sake! So yeah, really, let's stop playing games here. If you want to represent the right, do so, truly. But with arguments that make sense, and not just inflammatory talking points from the fringe. I'm assuming you do know that this is mostly fringe opinion that has become the opinion. #lizardpeople
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Guns are ok because they are legal. C4 is illegal. This is pretty easy stuff. People don't need to "justify" anything.
The language in the bill was, in fact, about counseling people on choosing to die. The name "Death panels" summed it up quite nicely.
Obama is a radical. That is not bullshit. The fun part is people waking up to that fact who voted for him. That's what they get though for doing zero research. Hope and Change is not a policy.
Liberal groups have been in full siege mode for years. The majority of the media have been enablers of this crap for years. At no other time in history has this been as apparent. Thank god for the internet and for people now to get some truth. Dan Rather sure wasn't going to give it to us.
I haven't really shot out talking points. I don't do that. I say the things I say because they are logical and I am a conservative. Some of my ideas will coincide with things the talking heads say. I cannot do anything about that. #lizardpeople
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@ConAir34: These are a couple of the posters from the protest. So, yeah, I'm done with this conversation. The delusions here are too great. And if you can't see the racism I'd say therein lies the problem, and there's no point in continuing. #lizardpeople
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You were totally right. Oh wait one is a Joker poster and the other is equating Obama's health care with tribal medicine. A little crass but it makes it's point. You know what? I will even give you the point that that one guy with that one poster might be a little racist.
However, you should totally lump in the thousands and thousands of other people there as racist even though there is no possible way that is true. That way you never have to prove a point or create an argument. You just get to ride your luck dragon around screaming RACIST, RACIST!!! #lizardpeople
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Good luck luke. With those skills you may one day be captain of the debate team. #lizardpeople
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Glad you are back for more stimulating discussion. I am sure this time you will actually have a point besides "neener, neener" right?
Oh no, I guess not. Tell you what. Why don't you go and do a little light reading. Get some opinions of your own. Maybe check out a website that isn't Gawker or HuffPost and hopefully you will see how the real world works.
You won't though. You will revel in your own hate and ignorance all the while demeaning anyone who doesn't share the same groupthink as you.
Good luck with that. #lizardpeople
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I do like this one though.
"Start with what is right rather than what is acceptable."
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It's an example of a theme that is resonant in multiple situations, not of a specific characterization of current events. #lizardpeople
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Granted, the show is a remake of an old story, and it was filmed a while ago, but it has also been retooled a lot lately. Not unlikely that certain themes could have been included to play into contemporary politics of the last 9 months.
I have no horse in this race though. I'm about to watch it on the DVR, and I think Obama is a pussy moderate waaaayyyy too far to the right for my taste, so I don't really care what the reading is.
I'm just excited to see Inara vs Juliet vs Bailey! #lizardpeople
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At a time when Republicans warn Real (white) Americans about the dangers they face from invading foreigners and when Caucasian American citizens confront the inevitability of a minority-majority nation, it's no coincidence that a TV show would emerge about a sinister olive-toned and dark-haired foreigner who threatens the American way of life. As long as the writers keep the show from getting boring, it'll have a long shelf life. There are plenty of Southerners alone, who fear the increasing numbers of Mexicans in their midst and the newly upbeat attitude from their black acquaintances, to keep this show in business.
24 whets the appetite for torture and post-9/11 revenge fantasies. A little Arab water-boarding is fun and all but it isn't enough. This stuff validates the core belief that the dark foreigner, who isn't content to clean our toilets, is bad news. And humans are suckers for validation. #lizardpeople
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Yep.
And isn't the "V" for victory ie: as in WWII? #lizardpeople