I work in the broadcast television and advertising industries. I get the gamut of people asking me for favors, from "do you want to work on my spec pilot/short film/music video?" to "hey, could you shoot and edit my wedding video?".
I've gotten quite good over the years at politely deflecting these requests. It's a matter of laying down the rules firmly and politely. As in, "I'd love to help you, but I have two primary professional rules, namely, I never work for free and I don't work for friends or family members".
If the request goes beyond that, and sometimes it does, I give them a real market-rate quote for whatever it is they're requesting. Once they see that their "little idea" is going to cost them $20K/day to produce, they tend to vanish, and quickly.
Badcog, ya done good, and I'm thrilled for you.--Amersham
He has definitely not lost his voice.
On another note, I have written many books (all published, by real publishers, not vanity publishers), and the same thing happens to me--people who have written, for the most part, lousy excuses for stories ask me to read their work (often hundreds of pages!) and comment on it. Even more delightful are the people who say they have a story idea and want me to write the story and then we'll split the profit, which of course will be HUGE.
I thought it was a very funny piece and I understood Josh Olson's feelings completely. However I do call bullshit on this part:
"I wish you luck in all your endeavors, and it would thrill me no end to hear that you had sold your screenplay, and that it had been made into the best movie since Godfather Part II."
Sure you would be happy if that person made a better movie than you. I don't buy that for one minute, sorry. It's more like you would be ready to cut out his cojones with a dull paring knife if that person walked away with the Academy Award for Best Screenplay.
If you're going to be honest, at least be VERY honest.
This Olson guy should feel lucky--people I know or have known find out I write screenplays and they want me to WRITE THEIR EFFING SCREENPLAY FOR THEM, gratis, of course. "Oh, I have this greeeeat idea...."
*shakes head*
Whoever in this long thread said that people who don't understand this craft think it's about "the hook" and not the endeavor of honing words as a poet would, you hit it dead on.
@PaisleyPajamas: That actually happened to me yesterday while I was in a bar watching a football game. This guy, a friend of a friend, comes up to me and says, "man I've got some amazing stories about shit my brothers and I did growing up and I think it'd make a great TV show...Interested in writing it?" I tried to get him to leave me alone, unsuccessfully, so he proceeds to tell me his life fucking story, while I'M TRYING TO WATCH A DAMN FOOTBALL GAME! Anyway, that sucked.
I'm in the porno industry and sometimes people say, "Hey, can I show you my cock?" I usually just politely say no thanks and refer them to my agent, but most times I feel like shouting at them "No I will not look at your fucking cock." I did that in a restaurant once and the manager asked me to leave. Then he wanted to show me his cock. I said ok, but only if I could go back in and finish my dinner. He showed me what he had and I lied and said it looked pretty big and that he could get into porn. Then I gave him a fake phone number. Needless to say, I don't eat at that Wendy's anymore.
My likely inclination to agree with Josh Olson's general point is weakened by the fact that all of his recent work builds upon the work of others--graphic novels, short stories, video games.
It's amazing how many people here are calling this guy a pompous, arrogant douchebag when they lack the basic intelligence and wherewithal to realize that it's highly exaggerated humor piece.. thus making themselves out to be the true pompous, arrogant douchebags.
Anyhoo, it was curious to read the statements from script editors who state that they see so many bad scripts and how the majority of people cannot write.
Considering the amount of absolute garbage that makes it to the big screen, what makes these script editors any more insightful or talented??? They approve that crap yet they criticize other people's work??
@karelj: No. Use logic. The crap that gets rejected is even worse. The average civilian has no idea how bad a script, or even a produced movie, can be. There is dreck worse than any dreck you've probably ever seen. Anyone who's ever attended the American Film Market can back me up on this.
@karelj: Oh, fuck off. "Look at all the crap out there! The gatekeepers don't know what they're talking about! I'm a better writer than these stupid assholes who write movies for a living...hey, I should write movies for a living! Will you read my script?"
And with that, sir, you become the problem.
The "absolute garbage" that makes it to the screen makes a lot of money. And the fact that it's not to your taste (or mine) doesn't mean the people who read scripts for a living don't know what they're talking about when it comes to getting asses in the seats. And it doesn't mean the people who wrote it aren't terrific writers with wonderful, innovative screenplays they used as writing samples to get them that gig on Transformers 2. We've all gotta eat.
@karelj: I read a 220 page script, which opened with 8 pages of narration, about space football.
I'll give that a minute to sink in.
1 page of a script= 1 minute of screentime. That's 8 minutes of narration, at the beginning of a movie, about space football.
Before I read it, the writer explained to me that they really didn't know anything about football. They planned to write the football parts in later. Did I know anything about football?
No. I did not know anything about football.
These are things that were in this script;
The space football comissioner, based on Kim Jong Il (I knew this, because in the script they wrote, "This character is based on Kim Jong Il.")
A 3 page montage of the space football locker room.
Blank spaces where football would go (I knew that was where football would go, because it said "Football goes here").
A love scene.
So basically, I read a 220 page dramatic and sexy retelling of Space Jam with an alien North Korean dictator, thousands of typos, and no formatting to be seen.
@MissNormaDesmond: I have yet to attend the American Film Market, but the above mentioned space football script, and the one about the nun with aids and the buddhist monk she falls in love with make me feel that I can relate to what you're saying.
Okay, I've now done what I should have done in the first place, which is read the actual article, and now I categorically do not understand what people are getting huffy about. It's a humor piece. If you read the whole thing and are still shocked, shocked to find someone being bitchy in a humor piece, I want you to take a deep breath and then back slowly out of this website, because you will be horrified if not traumatized by 90% of what goes on here.
@MissNormaDesmond: Sure, it's humorous but arrogant. Didn't Bernie Madoff say something like, "If I have to hear from another charity, I'll shoot myself!"? How dare the little people ask for favors! Not everything meant to be funny actually is
I don't write screenplays but I do write. I am a woman. I've had some incredibly talented women help me out with editing and help me get jobs. I will always be grateful to them. I also have returned the favor by working for them (gratis) & with equal time involvement. I can't wait for the day when I am in a position to mentor someone. Not to make this a gender argument, but I wonder if woman tend to be more helpful with each other?
@LolpantsofArabia: The literary and film world, like every other aspect of this world, have been male dominated for most of time. In order to bridge the gap it is to our benefit, rather than a hinderance, to foster an atmosphere of mentoring. Whereas, male screen writers are in deep competition with each other. Yet I agree with you, "an asshole is an asshole." No argument there
Please note: It's a comedic piece for the Village Voice, not a letter to the guy's mom.
In fact, we have no way of knowing if there's even a real guy, or if he's created a distillation of a larger set of experiences into something more digestible. Like the liberties he took with the Picasso anecdote. Like what screenwriters do for a living.
It was unreliably reported one year that an experiment was conducted, first in Hollywood, then greater LA, if that ain't an oxymoron. The subject varied, but the question was always the same, as was the response.
Interviewer: How's the screenplay going?
Interviewee: How did you know?
It was claimed there were no misses, not with masseuses, bartenders, cab drivers, service station attendants. That's a lot of opportunity to be burdened with a reading project.
For the past year or so I've been working as freelance script editor. It is soul crushing, horrible, incredibly boring work. People are fucking AWFUL writers. I can't imagine doing it for free. One dude opened his script with 8 pages of narration and by page four I just wanted to end my life.
Whenever my friends would ask me to read their scripts, I would inform them that there was no way I would like it. I will cross out entire chunks of dialogue. I will write mean things in the margins, and I will not pass it on to anyone for them. Basically, I will treat them like they're paying me to tell them every single thing wrong in the script. Only I will not be getting paid, so I will be in a worse mood. No one asks me to read their scripts anymore.
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What an a-hole. If he can't say something sensible like Spielberg does, he could ask for one or umpteen of their best pages in exchange for some of their time. If writing is something he enjoys doing, he probably enjoys reading other people too, pro or newbie.
@Spaghetti: Wrong. I write screenplays for a living and I HATE reading amateur scripts. "Reading other people" for enjoyment includes other professional writers- novels, etc., not shitty drafts by wannabes. You have NO IDEA how bad it is out there.
@gabrielsong: No, you clearly don't. However awful and witless Hollywood may be - and the same goes for print - it is a thousand times better than 99% of the shit Johnny Public produces.
@LolpantsofArabia: I was a scriptreader at a couple of Hollywood production companies about five years ago. Judging by the quality of spec scripts that were being sent over by agents at CAA, ICM, et al., I can't imagine the pain of reading "amateur" scripts for free. Getting paid to read scripts by supposed professionals was painful enough.
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I've gotten quite good over the years at politely deflecting these requests. It's a matter of laying down the rules firmly and politely. As in, "I'd love to help you, but I have two primary professional rules, namely, I never work for free and I don't work for friends or family members".
If the request goes beyond that, and sometimes it does, I give them a real market-rate quote for whatever it is they're requesting. Once they see that their "little idea" is going to cost them $20K/day to produce, they tend to vanish, and quickly.
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Badcog, ya done good, and I'm thrilled for you.--Amersham
He has definitely not lost his voice.
On another note, I have written many books (all published, by real publishers, not vanity publishers), and the same thing happens to me--people who have written, for the most part, lousy excuses for stories ask me to read their work (often hundreds of pages!) and comment on it. Even more delightful are the people who say they have a story idea and want me to write the story and then we'll split the profit, which of course will be HUGE.
Um, no.
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"I wish you luck in all your endeavors, and it would thrill me no end to hear that you had sold your screenplay, and that it had been made into the best movie since Godfather Part II."
Sure you would be happy if that person made a better movie than you. I don't buy that for one minute, sorry. It's more like you would be ready to cut out his cojones with a dull paring knife if that person walked away with the Academy Award for Best Screenplay.
If you're going to be honest, at least be VERY honest.
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*shakes head*
Whoever in this long thread said that people who don't understand this craft think it's about "the hook" and not the endeavor of honing words as a poet would, you hit it dead on.
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Anyhoo, it was curious to read the statements from script editors who state that they see so many bad scripts and how the majority of people cannot write.
Considering the amount of absolute garbage that makes it to the big screen, what makes these script editors any more insightful or talented??? They approve that crap yet they criticize other people's work??
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And with that, sir, you become the problem.
The "absolute garbage" that makes it to the screen makes a lot of money. And the fact that it's not to your taste (or mine) doesn't mean the people who read scripts for a living don't know what they're talking about when it comes to getting asses in the seats. And it doesn't mean the people who wrote it aren't terrific writers with wonderful, innovative screenplays they used as writing samples to get them that gig on Transformers 2. We've all gotta eat.
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I'll give that a minute to sink in.
1 page of a script= 1 minute of screentime. That's 8 minutes of narration, at the beginning of a movie, about space football.
Before I read it, the writer explained to me that they really didn't know anything about football. They planned to write the football parts in later. Did I know anything about football?
No. I did not know anything about football.
These are things that were in this script;
The space football comissioner, based on Kim Jong Il (I knew this, because in the script they wrote, "This character is based on Kim Jong Il.")
A 3 page montage of the space football locker room.
Blank spaces where football would go (I knew that was where football would go, because it said "Football goes here").
A love scene.
So basically, I read a 220 page dramatic and sexy retelling of Space Jam with an alien North Korean dictator, thousands of typos, and no formatting to be seen.
I guess what I'm trying to say is, fuck you.
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Let's not, then. What the fuck does being a woman have to do with this? An asshole is an asshole, whatever the bits in front of it.
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In fact, we have no way of knowing if there's even a real guy, or if he's created a distillation of a larger set of experiences into something more digestible. Like the liberties he took with the Picasso anecdote. Like what screenwriters do for a living.
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Interviewer: How's the screenplay going?
Interviewee: How did you know?
It was claimed there were no misses, not with masseuses, bartenders, cab drivers, service station attendants. That's a lot of opportunity to be burdened with a reading project.
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Whenever my friends would ask me to read their scripts, I would inform them that there was no way I would like it. I will cross out entire chunks of dialogue. I will write mean things in the margins, and I will not pass it on to anyone for them. Basically, I will treat them like they're paying me to tell them every single thing wrong in the script. Only I will not be getting paid, so I will be in a worse mood. No one asks me to read their scripts anymore.
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