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D2theMatthews
12/16/09

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/Grave faced, out of proportion 'First They Came...' allusion.
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BxgrlJeri
12/16/09

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Facebook: people are just itching for some new application to come along to take your place. Watch yer step buddy.
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ClaraAphaea
12/16/09

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bulllshiiiitt. i submited a complaint about some group whose description is "you weren't raped you're a skank!" and they haven't done anything about it. apparently the gawker post was more abusive
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thelayout
12/15/09

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I also tried to post a link to the Gawker article on FB, and it magically disappeared. It remains on my wall, but gets wiped off the News Feed. Why does Big Brother hate Gawker?
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bitch_pleaze
12/15/09

In reply to Blocked on Facebook: Gawker Facebook Privacy Guide
Here's a radical suggestion.

If Facebook is causing you to lose sleep over privacy concerns then stop using Facebook.

The end.
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MissNormaDesmond
12/15/09

@bitch_pleaze: Or, if you're not a defeatist, you could try to solve the problem, instead of just giving up using something you enjoy. Why is this such a bizarre idea to so many people? I've gotten back in touch with people I haven't seen for twenty or thirty years on FB, some of whom are thousands of miles away. It's a great tool, I like using it, I dislike what they've done, and I don't get why the only two options should be "Like it or lump it".
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Halo_Override
12/15/09

@MissNormaDesmond: But saying that doesn't make you look like an iconoclast.
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bitch_pleaze
12/15/09

@MissNormaDesmond: The sense of entitlement around Facebook is bizarre to me. Facebook is not a social institution. Facebook is not a basic human right. Facebook is in existence for one reason only. To generate revenue for Facebook.

If they want to fuck around with their customers then their customers should look elsewhere for a better alternative.
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Airvault
12/15/09

@bitch_pleaze: This is Tom from MySpace, huh? What's up Tom? Long time no see.
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MissNormaDesmond
12/15/09

@Halo_Override: Heh.
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bitch_pleaze
12/15/09

@Airvault: Its that kind of thinking that got 95% of us stuck with Windows (and no... I'm not Steve from Apple either).
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MissNormaDesmond
12/15/09

@bitch_pleaze: Yeah, I'm aware that that's the way a lot of people view business relationships. What's particularly dumb about that attitude is that it generally results in the golden goose dying an untimely death.
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bitch_pleaze
12/15/09

@MissNormaDesmond: I disagree. If your phone company started selling your personal information would you stick with that provider? Or would you seek out a provider that respected your privacy?

I guarantee you that the market will provide an alternative to Facebook if the demand is there (and no... I'm not talking about Myspace).
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friendlynerd
12/15/09

@bitch_pleaze: Apply your own logic and stop reading Gawker, then. Why complain? Just leave.
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bitch_pleaze
12/15/09

@friendlynerd: I actually enjoy complaining.
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Seeräuber Jenny
12/15/09

@bitch_pleaze:

The art of the kvetch.

You don't have to be Jewish.
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bitch_pleaze
12/15/09

@Seeräuber Jenny: I gotta go google kvetch and then craft a snarky response. Be back in 45 mins.
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Uncle_Billy_Slumming
12/15/09

@bitch_pleaze: Revenue. Certainly not profits. But bitch, please, you don't seem to understand that the masses are attracted to the abuse.
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bitch_pleaze
12/15/09

@Uncle_Billy_Slumming: So Facebook is the Dom, its users are the Submissives, and this privacy brouhaha is just a routine flogging?
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Uncle_Billy_Slumming
12/15/09

@bitch_pleaze: Jup.
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bitch_pleaze
12/15/09

@Uncle_Billy_Slumming: It makes so much more sense now.

Now if you'd be so kind as to pass me the orange gag ball I'll get down off of my soap box for the evening.
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LysanderNewt
12/15/09

@bitch_pleaze @MissNormaDesmon: the phone company has been selling your personal information for YEARS. That's why you have to opt-out of the telemarketer calls through the government. I don't get why this is such a big deal. If you're paying attention and reading privacy agreements you can very easily protect your information.
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lobstr
12/15/09

@bitch_pleaze: I think you're absolutely right, but the problem is, for the first time ever, after all the previous attempts (sixdegrees, friendster, even myspace) never before has a social network been so much the rage that everyone is on it, including the oldes who often take months to get the inspiration to join something online. The legwork has been done by getting everyone on FB, it would be virtually impossible for even an awesome badass competitor to start fresh and amass all the people you know and love from FB onto it.

It is the mere fact that everyone's kindergarten friends and old neighborhood pals are on FB that makes it so appealing. Hell, I'm sure there are tons of awesome ripoff FB-types out there already, but no one gives a fuck because no one's using them.
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bitch_pleaze
12/15/09

@LysanderNewt: I think you're missing the point. Substitute Heidi Fleiss for phone company - maybe that's a more relevant example. If your "VIP social planner" was selling your personal info you would probably get a new VIP social planner.
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Hiroine Protagonist
12/15/09

@lobstr: Exactly. Facebook is one step away from becoming a vital national utility. In Canada we nationalize those suckers.
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MissNormaDesmond
12/16/09

@bitch_pleaze: The phone company analogy is obviously inapt. It would be stupid to stick with a phone company that behaved in ways I dislike when there are multiple other companies that currently provide the exact same service. There is no other company at the moment that provides the service that Facebook does, nor will there be for some time, since I would not only need to switch there myself, but to cajole scores of other people, who are the reason I have any interest in being on Facebook, to join as well.

By the way, maybe I wasn't clear -- the attitude I was referring to wasn't yours, it's Facebook's. There are plenty of other ways they could be making money off of their site, but they're choosing ones that will bring in short term profit, at the expense of customer loyalty. Eventually, when there really is a viable alternative -- and you're right that there will be one at some point -- it's going to bite them in the ass, hard.
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MissNormaDesmond
12/16/09

@bitch_pleaze: Your second analogy isn't any better than your first, for the same reason: you keep acting as if there's more than one service that does what Facebook does. There isn't.
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bitch_pleaze
12/16/09

@MissNormaDesmond: The point I'm trying to make (and admittedly doing a bad job) is that there will never be an alternative to Facebook as long as sheeple err... people are afraid or unwilling to leave Facebook.

And on a related note... I liked my second analogy. I thought it was topical (see Tiger) and edgy. It was sexy too goddammit. That's right. Sexy.

Thank you and good night.
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Liberace
12/16/09

@bitch_pleaze: i agree with you.

it's really narrow-minded and lazy to construct an argument around "but facebook is really good and all of my friends are on it, so facebook should bend to my will and be the way I like it. i can't possibly imagine that someone would create something that might compete with it...and exploit all the shit that fb is currently getting wrong in terms of social networking..."

sorry. i like fb (most of the time) too. some of the decisions they've made over the last year are beyond retarded. still, it is free and I've slowly unburdened myself of the notion that they actually give a shit about what their "customers" actually like.

so, I guess adjusting your privacy settings or making lists or removing photos or doing less crazy shit in real life that might possibly be captured and put on facebook where your boss or your HR person or whomever you decided to friend might see it is "solving the problem"

for now.

sounds like a great way to spend time.
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celery
12/16/09

@bitch_pleaze: There are more options here than "Facebook should do whatever its users say" and "Users should leave Facebook the instant there is any problem."

Good customers (using that term loosely) provide feedback to businesses, and good businesses listen to that feedback (but are not bound to follow it of course). Taking your business elsewhere is a powerful option that we should have, but it ends up hurting both the user as well as the company.
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Sir Thomas More
11/23/09

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Well, now we know what type of pad Nick has.
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raincoaster
11/22/09

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Someone tell Sam Jackson he's my bro.
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Rosa Golijan
11/22/09

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I think this is the first time the tags on a post made me giggle.

#thingsiwasborntowrite, #sorrynick, #sorrygabe (which apparently has been used before...)
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RachelSklar
11/22/09

In reply to Who Is Gawker Media Overlord Nick Denton's New Neighbor?
So much more fun than this item is how much fun Foster is having with it. "Breathe, Foster." Adorable.
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atlasfugged
11/22/09

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"It could be you're the righteous man and I'm the shepherd and it's the world that's evil and selfish. I'd like that. But that shit ain't the truth. The truth is you're the weak. And I'm the tyranny of evil new media entrepreneurs. But I'm tryin', Denton. I'm tryin' real hard to be the shepherd".

Somehow, I imagine them having breakfast together and it looking like this.
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DahlELama
11/22/09

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I look forward to humorous tweets on this from @nicknotmotherfuckingned.
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adiam7
11/22/09

In reply to Who Is Gawker Media Overlord Nick Denton's New Neighbor?
That Nick Denton is one lucky motherfucker!
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BettyCrocker
11/22/09

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My motherfuckin Kreepie Kat wants a motherfuckin' Royale with Cheese!
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DevilsAvocadoRedux
11/22/09

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No more early morning MOTHERFUCKING callisthenics for you, Nick.
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Astronaut Mike Dexter
11/22/09

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Good thing Sam prefers Ezekiel to Leviticus.
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